Qiyana Rundown

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But only Ivern's passive relies on jungle, the rest of his kit is solid tbh. Without river Qiyana doesn't have a CC

True. It's a real problem.

Oh dear, he just might break Qiyana... [sg-jinx]

The thing about is assassins is that they can't be allowed to be truely "scale" past midgame. Past midgame is where people start to group up which is why they are weak past then, not their damage, but their ability to find semi isolated targets. Pretty much every assassin can kill a squishy target late game, the problem is the targets teammates that will stop you.

About the variety but with different controls, aren't most classes like that?

You know kassadin exists right?

Ive been hoping for a beastmaster; Someone that can charm the jungle camps and use them as a pet. Probably make each camp be attack, tank , or magic/spell. I can come up with tons of unique ideas, Idk why rito cant. Heres another; An ADC (well apc once I tell ya) Thats auto dmg scales of AP instead of AD.. Obviously there would need some ratio adjusting.. But this would make for a unique ranged carry that wouldnt be building the same AD items..

I see your point here, but if you think about it, only two (three if you count Pyke) are midlaners. Keep in mind, I hate Zed and Talon, but Qiyana looks more interesting. I think the AD assassin jungler thing needs to be tuned down, but another midlaner isn't too bad.

Also, I'd argue that some of those champions (such as Pyke or Shaco) are very good late game, but not nearly as good early. They kind of scale, at least more than champs like Talon and Nocturne do.

Finally, I don't really want more sustained-damage skirmishers. They either turn out to be Yasuos, Fioras, or Camilles (or Irelias), and I don't enjoy any. But hey, they're not nearly as bad as Zed or blue Kayn.

None of these champions are Assassins.

The reason assassins dont scale well is because come late game their targets are able to purchase their defensive items finally. ADCs dont typically rush PD into GA and rely on AS boots or Switness. Zhonyas is the most powerful item in the game and is an easy 2nd pick up for its entire class plus some. Also all the penetration in the world won't dice up a 6 item Malph/Mundo without at least 2-3 fully successful combos

Scaling assassin the way you described - Ekko

Skirmisher assassin the way you described - Riven

More than likely if riot tried to implement an assassin that scaled properly into the late game like other late-game champs, it would be broken. and eventually reworked. have your fantasy

Yeah, it's a shame. They really seem to hate tanks lately

Old Galio was the best ever. Yeah it was hard to get a good ult off but I miss his shield so much. You could tower dive and gain hp. Or I could be a hit away from death, go do wraiths and be full hp again. Plus he no longer has the slow from his Q or the speed up from his W. He's almost a completely new champion that also has a taunt. I wish Riot would just make new champions if they want to change them that much instead of completely reworking them, i.e., Sion, Galio, Urgot, and so many others I used to play.