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Ask Riot about patches, scripting, and rotations

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This week, we talk about the balance of patching for all levels of League play, how we choose the free champion rotation, and what we are doing about scripting.

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Since it is so difficult to balance for play from Bronze to the pro level, why not have two separate patches, one for diamond+ and one for those below diamond?

We feel like it's really important to the LoL experience that the pros are playing the same game as everyone else. There are a few reasons for this:

  1. For one, you can enjoy esports on a lot of different levels, but some really engaged viewers understand all of the nuance about item builds and counter picks because they know those details from League. Once you start tuning the game with two different sets of numbers, it's harder to appreciate the decisions the pros are making. It might even be hard to tell if that amazing play was really that hard to pull off or not.
  2. Second, it's really cool to see a pro pick a champion that you love or know really well. Maybe it's all psychological, but you lose some of that if they are playing a different game from you. The reasons they pick Gnar might be totally different and not even applicable to the reasons you pick Gnar.
  3. Third, it's super common during a discussion about a pro game for someone to say "Man, I really want to go play League right now." We risk losing some of that feeling if the pros are playing on a different patch. “Just remember, turrets are more powerful on live than in Worlds, and Vlad hasn’t been nerfed yet, and... .” You get the idea.
  4. Finally, a lot of players look to the pros when they are trying to learn a new champion or strategy or just to get better in their own game. You'd lose some of that if say the pro champs need more hits to kill a jungle mob, or have less MR even after they've finished the same item build.

We’ve been trying to come up with more outside-the-box solutions to solve pro balance and diversity. To use an example from basketball, the three-point line is farther from the basket in pro games than it is in college games. That’s a somewhat subtle difference that has a meaningful impact, but doesn’t change the viewing experience enormously. (I’m admittedly not much of a basketball fan, so maybe I’m totally wrong on that!) I'm not sure what the SR version of a three-point line would be. Longer range towers? Weaker towers? Less gold from minions? Those all might have really unpredictable effects.

My fear is that if we start implementing pro-only solutions, that it leads to a place where we have two versions of Gangplank with different damage coefficients and maybe even different rules about how his barrels work. On top of violating all of the four points I raised above, it also creates that many more opportunities to introduce bugs to the game.

I know your questions also specifically mentioned Diamond+, which doesn’t have all of the viewing ramification of affecting pro games, but point 4 still applies where you have to relearn part of the game as your rank goes up or down, and it might lead to the profusion of different Gangplanks to an even greater degree.

Believe me, as a designer, it sometimes seems like a really attractive solution. We could make Yi viable for Worlds without making him stomp Bronze even more! We could make Azir playable by mere mortals! But I think that's the lazy designer in me talking. At the end of the day, I think the cost to League wouldn't be worth it.

Ghostcrawler, Game Design Director



What are you doing about scripting?

So, we're usually – and intentionally – quiet about cheats and the efforts we're making to combat them. It's a conversation we've thought about starting many times, but have shied away because we don’t want to unintentionally bring more awareness to their existence or make our detection methods easier to crack. We’ve seen our silence lead to wild speculation, and that’s not good. So let’s talk about it.

We want to be clear: Using applications that provide a measurable player advantage goes against the core of the League of Legends experience. It’s cheating. We value League’s competitive integrity. Most of you play fair, which is why it’s so important we remove cheaters from League. Scripting allows a program to take actions on your behalf. We constantly identify and remove these cheats from the game.

Automation in League isn’t new, and we’re constantly fighting against it. It’s a priority for us. We have a well-versed team who uses a lot of different methods to combat cheaters. But we can’t be too detailed because this information would be used against us in this battle. We’re confident in our ability to detect scripting behavior, even if we can’t talk about the secret sauce.

Anyone who bothers to cheat for any significant duration will be identified, and while we wouldn't call anyone out specifically (keeping our enemies in the dark), we're accurately detecting everything you've heard of. We know that’s still not enough and we've got a lot of work to do in preventing this type of behavior in the first place, but as it stands, we'll keep swinging the banhammer to assure you a fair experience when you play League.

RayKay, Anti-cheat team



How do you choose which champions will be in the free rotation?

The free to play rotation is there to give people the opportunity to try champions they don’t own. Additionally, there’s value in providing everyone access to a subset of champions that will frequently appear in games, thereby giving you the opportunity to learn how to play with and against champions you may be unfamiliar with. That’s why when we select champions for the free to play rotation, we make sure that there are at least two champions from each position and also take into account meta shifts regarding champions’ roles.

Some other factors we consider include:

  • How long it’s been since the champion was last on the free to play rotation
  • Team comps and synergies like Braum-Lucian or Thresh-Kalista
  • Lore implications like Kha’Zix vs Rengar, Caitlyn vs Jinx
  • Trying to avoid a rotation that’s holistically frustrating - you’ll never see us put all the stealthers in one rotation because no one wants to play against an Evelynn, Rengar, Shaco, Teemo, Talon comp…
  • Champions that are free through other means are left out of the free rotation (Link to all the freebies) as are champions that have large upcoming reworks (Poppy and Yorick)

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217 Comments

kurbstomp8819 votes

so just leaving this here since i was banned for scripting 3rd party programs when i never cheated. i know none of will you believe this and qq more kid an ect. just like riot told me after 6 months wasted trying to get some sort of resolve. Now in terms of scripting or when u get banned for it riot tells absolutely nothing. Flat out say we won't share information on what u got banned for just 3rd party programs/scripting/account sharing,cut and dry u cheated get over it. No help no information and no effort to try to sort it out. So all and all they are very tough on scripters bots and cheaters, whether you actually cheated or not.

Literally the only response u get from riot about the matter

"Your account has been permanently suspended following the use of scripts, hacks, exploits or unauthorized third-party programs in League of Legends. Accounts that are caught using hacks to gain an unfair competitive advantage are subject to permanent suspension. We work hard to preserve a fair and competitive environment in League of Legends. Regardless of intent, use of unauthorized third-party programs is explicitly against the Terms of Use, which can be found here:

NA: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/legal/termsofuse

Keep in mind that account sharing of any kind is also against the Terms of Use. You are responsible for all activity on your account, so be sure to keep your account information to yourself.

We won't be able to go into the specifics of an account's exploit abuse, as divulging this information could compromise future investigations. Let me know if you have any other questions or concerns."

Colorful Dream23 votes

Please separate your thoughts into a few sentences and employ punctuation. Your comment is a bit difficult to follow.

Chip Bonk9 votes

Reading that deprived me of oxygen.

Shadowstarthe1st15 votes

This, actually happened to me, on my account which I spent an obscenely large amount of money on, and never scripted nor hacked, I wouldn't even KNOW where to begin on hacking and scripting and didn't even know what it was until recently, they REFUSED to tell me what I was being banned over just repeated this same stuff above, when I said, I might of been hacked or something because I didn't do anything like that. Their response was "Nope, This was you." I was treated pretty much the exact same way as you bro. I have always played fair in every game ive ever played, been avidly against hackers as they ruin everyone else's fun. Not only this but I'm a very trashy player, I'm VERY bad at the game and yet they claim I'm a hacker. Like do my scores and games reflect someone who's hacking? like half the games ive been in ive been negative. Not only was I doing poorly but I hadn't played league in the period of time they said I was. I was falsely PERMANENTLY banned for something I had never done, I did use Discord and Communication programs but they claim that's not why I was banned. Eventually I just said what the fuck ever when they said they WILL not be refuting this ban or even remotely willing to hear me out. Apparently no proof I give them will help if they won't tell me what program I'm being suspected in using. I was a model player who never really trash talked anyone. Never was toxic, and pretty much made friends with almost everyone I talked to in game. Yet I got permanently banned. Some of the little assholes in this game never get banned for being toxic or punished in the slightest yet I never do anything warranting banning, and I'm the one banned. Not to mention I also roamed the forums and answered questions, got several friends into league and bought hundreds of $ worth of skins. All to be treated by riot support like it's a done deal and not even willing to tell me what it was over. To this day I wonder what I was banned for. As I was never told exactly

kurbstomp883 votes

Yup no matter what scenario I suggested or anything that could of flagged me falsely and they would respond nope u cheated deal with it, I've had my account since season 1 had the original champ riven skin and about another 2 grand I had spent on skins. Was even at riot studios play testing the yorick rework less then a month before the perma ban but nope u cheated

AriesTheVirgo2 votes

It also says exploit, so using those in games is against the rules. Knowingly or not you may have used a method to do something against the rules.

Shadowstarthe1st4 votes

I have not used any exploits, If you mean knowing about a bug and using it to your advantage. No I have no done that.

BuffCupcake5 votes

Yeah man I was in the exact same boat with my EUW account.

I even abandoned this gaming name after trying to convince Riot for more than 6 months that I didn't do what they accused me of (didn't really even know exactly what I was accused of), out of the pure frustration and depression it brought back just seeing the name about the scenario I was put in.

Also spent thousands on the account (not to mention the time), so it wouldn't even make sense jeopardizing something so valuable through cheating, even though I have no idea how to, also my account was Bronze and barely reached Silver before the ban, I mean I don't even cheat on normal offline games for the sake of not ruining the gaming experience.

Tried to open a thread and suggested some alternatives (because support told me if it could get enough publicity there is a small chance they could consider and implement something similar to my suggestions) to the ban like fines or account restrictions just so I wouldn't lose everything I worked for so long, even though I never did what I was accused of.

But as always every person in the community directly brands you as a cheater and shoots and burns your thoughts down if Riot says you cheated.

I also browsed the forums and people always stated they only used "this" tool or "that" tool, yet I didn't even have anything remotely close to that on the PC's that I used to play League with.

I regularly bought RP because I enjoyed the game so much and didn't mind contributing towards it. So I could never and probably never will understand why this would be done to me, I never even had a chat ban or anything remotely to that, so I considered myself as a model player.

But I did understand that they couldn't give me details to my ban, for the reasons you guys mentioned, but that just added onto the frustration.

Eli Is Amaze10 votes

I'm the same as you. They said I was scripting and banned me. Then I made another account and it got instabanned. I asked what for and got no details. I spent over $2000 and asked if I could have a probation period and you tell me what I'm doing and they said no. They should at least give a warning so that I'm not banned out of the blue with no idea of what I got banned for.

Bick Jivas6 votes

This is unacceptable, RIOT FIX THIS PROCESS, BANNED PEOPLE DESERVE MORE COMMUNICATION REGARDING THEIR BAN, HOW DARE YOU THROW AWAY THEIR MONEY AND TIME FOR A CRIME THEY DIDN'T COMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FiddlerSticks3 votes

If you guys have had your account's banned and you spent money on them IF YOU DID NOT do what you were being banned for, you have the right to sue for fraud. That is only if you are innocent. Unless the Terms of Agreement say otherwise. Which btw they don't.

stealthbonger42019 votes

We want to be clear: Using applications that provide a measurable player advantage goes against the core of the League of Legends experience. It’s cheating.

like voice chat

We feel like it's really important to the LoL experience that the pros are playing the same game as everyone else.

like voice chat

Red Pheonix2 votes

Seriously... really wish we had this...

President Swa1n1 votes

They have already said that it will be added in the future

Du Ma Mi2 votes

Soon™

Synergý14 votes

First comment

validcookie125 votes

First downvote

Big Wraith14 votes

Will you ever add more champions to the rotation? Since league is gaining more champions each year, it takes longer to get champions on the rotation again.

Sofa Pillow2 votes

10 is a reasonable number. It means that if, for some bizarre reason, all players don't own any champs that every single one has two options.

It's more or less for new players anyway, and thus makes it easier for them to explore and find their favorite in a smaller cluster of 10 champions than a larger one of say 12 or 15.

Ninjá4 votes

I think there should be more then 10 for new players to experiment and test more and all in all have fun with the game if they only have a choice between 10/130(ish) it becomes like a job to play league and get IP to champs you will have fun with for a few days.

Turbø14 votes

Anchorman nautilus plz riot

Juvaevus10 votes

Are Yorick and Poppy still left out of the free champ rotation?

Colorful Dream8 votes

I think I've seen Poppy once since her rework.

EDIT: Once, as in once on the free rotation. In case it wasn't clear considering the comment I replied to was talking about Poppy being included in the free rotation.

Troubles10 votes

I mean looking at your profile you only have 7 normal wins and your highest champion mastery is Level 2 so I wouldn't be surprised that you haven't seen her often...

Mashuwu6 votes

Poppy is back on the free rotation following her rework. Yorick should be on it relatively soon too

EvilUnicornLord8 votes

Hey, speaking of Poppy, when is she, JarvanIV, and Shyvana going to get Steel Legion skins? I know she's getting the stereotypical noncombatant anime chick Star Guardian skin, but can we Poppy mains get one that actually says "offensive tank"?

Mrrootbeer4918 votes

*Im still waiting for Star Guardian Garen myself.

EvilUnicornLord10 votes

Yeah, we ask for Star Guardian Garen and Urgot and they give us Star Guardian Poppy, sheesh.

DuskDaUmbreon2 votes

Don't forget Star Guardian Teemo, Sion, and Nasus. o3o

Holy Unicorns9 votes

battle Regalia isnt saying offensive tank?

Alzon1 votes

By the way, we're more than due for a ranged Void champ, following the pattern of previous Void champ releases.

EvilUnicornLord2 votes

What does this have to do with Steel Legion skins?

Nyanbit8 votes

What about the free RP that new accounts use to get on hitting level 3? New accounts that hit level 30 and go into ranked should be going vs others that hit level 30 and go into ranked (provisionals vs provisionals) Because they might not know about warding, oracles, and other things like, someone playing support doesn't build sightstone then feeds the enemy adc/mid typing in all caps why doesn't anyone ward whule they are bot(adc) lane and mid, jungle, top all ward the areas near them.. looking at their match history of support games going sightstone yellow/blue trinket while the enemy comp has something like a twitch, teemo, rengar, talon, shaco Me, Adc, and Jungler having red trinket while Mid and Support have yellow trinket meaning the adc not having blue trinket and going something like 0/11/2 support 0/12/3 because bot lane has no vision early to mid-game.. would be better to set first time ranked games in fair order, (provisionals to whatever) and if they amazingly hit something like plat 5 then they keep that rank to climb or fall off the ladder, and not mess up other peoples gameplay saying things like "no, f-bomb you. you get the oracle and clean the wards and show stealth champs for bot lane, I am support I don't need oracles. drops more f-bombs here and there" And chatting with a rioter that you have as a friend about that person doesn't help much at all... [Yeah LuvAnimeForever (Annie) this comment is about you]

Shifted Society6 votes

Thanks for sharing what I told you yesterday. -_-

TFBaam5 votes

LOL

Colorful Dream3 votes

...what?

luke bjelica7 votes

If I rotate enough times, will I get dizzy?

Title IX3 votes

yes

TranscendVirtual7 votes

Not only would implementing different rules for Diamond+ fuck a lot of the things you mentioned but also for people transitioning into Diamond they would have to learn new rules and stuff and you'd have to decide if said rules followed them out of ranked, and if not then they would have to switch between knowing the rules for diamond plus and norms. It's the same principle of playing U.R.F for the entire duration its up and nothing else and going back to norms Tuesday and 'forgetting' that cooldowns and mana restrictions existed

Emojay4 votes

Has anyone noticed that in EVERY champion rotation, people do thefollowing: Evelynn where did she come from? Azir nobody can play right Aaaaaand Ugh so broken not playing at all dis week most toxic rotation ever ugh

Just saying I see it every time.

zaire903 votes

lol i think its the same dude he does it like every free rotation

Prøfessør Zerø4 votes

This is genuinely my first time hearing of scripting, although I did know about the report for third party program, I just didn't know what that meant XD. Also I have two serious questions, 1. Will there ever be a sandbox mode? and 2. Will there ever be a devil Teemo skin? And you cant tell me that would be sacrilegious or something along those lines. There is literally a demon skin for Tryndamere and Vi . Please tell me why that can't be a thing?

Azùn4 votes
  1. They said that Sandbox mode will probably never exist, for various reasons listed here: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/riot-games/announcements/riot-pls

  2. Dat skin needs to come out this Harrowing

Shadowstarthe1st3 votes

They actually said they were thinking of employing a sandbox mode eventually

brandonf1314 votes

Is Unchained Alistar no longer free?

StaircaseGone222 votes

It still does. I had the same question and Riot Support added it to my account.

Aeszarck2 votes

{quoted}

Is Unchained Alistar no longer free?

It is but it requires you to ask Riot Support for it because the Youtube Subscription verification button broke. Riot isn't promoting the skin anymore because if a lot of people ask for it it will just clog Support's inbox.

47891 votes

this is for anyone to talk here, what is your guys opinions on the idea of the new dynamic q? as someone who plays with friends, if both have their own little end of year prizes, will that solve the dynamic q problem? Also, heard this on qtpies stream, what do you guys think of having say, monthly or bi-monthly awards to promote climbing rather than having a pretty small reward at the end (which is what part of what steers quite a bit of ppl away from the ranked system imo)

Shifted Society2 votes

They are returning Solo Q soon

47894 votes

nonono, its not gunna be purely solo, only for specific elos

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