Patch 4.17’s discussion is focused on champion updates and features the newly-updated Soraka and Viktor! Join MsPudding alongside Riot Scruffy, Riot Scarizard and Riot Seb as they discuss the patch and the Champion Update team’s philosophy!
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Headbangr128 votesA moment of silence for Kassadin, LeBlanc, and Now Talon.
Dinflame31 votesI see what you did there
JustDan1052 votes
I didnt...
RuneSerpent32 votes
i did
RookPusher35 votesNot "eye did"? Missed opportunity.
SSJG Soraka83 votes...is no one else excited about the Garen buff? 
The Original Beyblade champ.
Rip The Dream7 votesI think garen is way to broke he silence's you and spins leaving you to have to sit there and take all that damage not being able to flash away or anything and he gets more speed to run up to people and silence then nice flash im just gonna run fast now :D His ult is fine but he doesnt even need to build damage just tank and he gets so much damage
LuckyReden50 votesDont worry, if the trend continues he'll probably just have a 99% slow for .25 seconds in the future instead of a silence.
WillieStyle52 votesYorick walks into a bar. There is no counter.
Battle Mage Kaze18 votesYorick walks into a bar, Mordekaiser calls him an idiot.
Brooksy17 votesLee sin walks into a bar..
Lil Infant14 votesbecause he is blind
A Dope Potato21 votes
walks out of a bar... again.
Nite Killa34 votesFirst off, wow. I cannot believe she said "shiny metal ass".
Bender would be proud.
Hrafnagúd31 votes
MINOR NERFS???
CasterGilgamesh15 voteslol thats not a minor nerf now talon might be useless like leblanc i understand but talon that makes no sense like rly riot you hate assassins that much that you cant allow any of them to do the job of silencing like soraka and garen why can they silence? WHY DOES A TANK NEED A WAY TO STOP OTHERS FROM CASTING SPELLS IF HE CAN JUST TAKE THEM WAT IS THAT LOGIC talon is weak and out of all the assassins least picked even 
was picked more then him now he cant do any thing like he get up to you the thing that was keeping him safe was the silence riot shouldnt even touch him since he is hard to play not many play him he has no sustain and he can be poked out of lane easy and plus now he has a worth less slow since any one can just say "MUFF" and bitch slap him away like syndra
SpiritGear9 votes
is not useless
ViriDesu13 votesHer silence nerf was reasonable, but the Talon nerf was really just FTW, like LB needs doesn't need her silence since she has really high burst rates, but talon needs the silence so he could actually survive and burst (He bursts in only 2-3 seconds based on reflexes)
The Enemy Spy3 votesI know, right?!? Making Assassins have to actually assassinate people?!?! What was Riot thinking?
Aevius2 votesTo think that Talon is not played much... You must be in low bronze.. He is a really good carry as an assassin and played a lot in higher ranks.
Rehasta3 voteslol we are talking about laning phase here do u know that u don't have silence that mean ?? if u just jump of xeath he will stun u ahri will charm u and Etc talon is squishy lol the nerf killed talon
Deystroyer3 votesI agree, talon is one of the only assassins who had no real escape, in order to use his burst you had to use his ult to secure the kill, and thats his only escape, no dashes, nothing, leblanc's silence removal wasn't like talon's because talon had no escapes, without his silence, he has no way to kill a target before being bursted back instantly and killed, making him completely useless for any kind of fight, now someone like leblanc without a silence isnt so bad, because she can burst someone and go back to her distortion, rendering her safe, same applies for most other assassins, if theyre going to do this to talon, I think he needs some compensation buffs or something, his burst is low, he has no escapes, and now no silence to keep him safer, and a .25 second slow is not useful whatsoever, just sayin
GWCUS69I5a24 votesSo happy 
is getting nerfed.
lemonss44418 votesIf 
heals too much will she kill herself HEALING SUICIDE
Lord Tourk9 votesIthink it will be like 
or 
...
m21tactical17 votes Soraka is dead. She can't heal herself, and if she heals others, she commits suicide. Riot says they wanted to make her the premier healer, what they've done is made her the premier feeder. Soraka is no more. We will miss you, Soraka.
Prince Pwnly6 votesI don't know what this...thing Riot put in Soraka's place is supposed to be, but it's definitely not
May she rest in peace.
NaThanLn13 votescan you update 
, make it more useful please? I used to use it but then it become useless in the late game so i stop using it
zidanjou11 votes[deleted]
Naerwyn8 votesI completely agree. :( She was my main champ as well. I'm tired of all these ppl saying "Oh but she's OP now, she's so amazing!" NO. SHE IS NOT. She's no longer a support. I don't even know what the heck she is. I better get all my money back from all the skins and runes I bought specifically for her. I almost want to quit LoL. Like, seriously, about 98% of games I have ever played have been with Soraka, and now I plan on playing her absolutely 0% of the time. :(
37069822_DEL9 votes Soraka needs a visual rework its unlesses late game and were is 
Rework? Please Riot!
nonamewarrior28 votes
Get in fucking line
TDanger1913 votes
Soon, Friend.
The Enemy Spy4 votes You were saying, fools?
SKT Pookie6 votes
Step aside, boys.
outtaKNOWHERE4 votes
No one even remembers me
wonderbreaddd5 votes
Why do I exist?
LEO HYY10 votes Already got a visual rework, did you only just crawl out from under a rock?
AAitFromTheBack8 votesWhy is not getting nerfed? She's "toxic" in all elo's, isn't she?
MrBuffington14 votesshe's probably up for nerfing next patch; they mentioned last patch that they're looking at ways to add counterplay to her, yasuo, and talon (talon was hit a bit too hard imo, hopefully he gets some love next patch).
ViriDesu4 votesBut isn't the silence remove uncalled for since he lives by silencing the mage or spell shooter?
Hoodai7 votesYeah, I hate playing against . You either shut them down early and make sure you NEVER let them come back or you DIE any time she pops up on your screen and a teammate isn't right next to you. Seriously though... 's just show up and you die.
A Rogue Glaceon8 votes r.i.p Starcall
Ruiina7 voteslol?? Way to kill Talon.If you were going to remove his silence why not give him a form of CC that doesn't already exist within his kit?
Emmy Cha0s6 votes
Day 85: Still no buffs anywhere in sight.
Ezreal, Guinsoo, please save me.
