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Patch Rundown – 4.13

Riot··4 votes·22,306 views

We’re back with the second episode of Patch Rundown!

Patch 4.13’s one of the last updates before Worlds, so we have tweaks aplenty for a number of champions! This rundown, MsPudding’s joined by Statikk and Fearless alongside Team Dignitas’ very own Scarra to discuss Sona’s update along with changes to aggro junglers and assassins.

As before, we’re looking for feedback to help us improve future videos, so add in your comments below!

686 Comments

Coach Long70 votes

Feedback: Scarra was very pleasant to watch and listen to! Hearing inquiries and input from a competitive point of view was enlightening.

Basically, guest appearances are nice. More guest appearances please

The Lexer29 votes

Agree. And add video examples instead of 15 minutes of people sitting and talking

Raynor111150 votes

"We want to make sure we're not removing something players love about the character or really play them for."

Khazix :.................................................... So..................... what about the % Missing Health damage on my Q................................?

xTrueNorthx9 votes

No kidding! Completely destroyed a good champ. 3 big nurfs at once? That never happens to anyone else. ""Pls don't tell me about the one other champ that did people lol""

If they really want to keep him without the ult defense, or with the cooldown in between, then at least give him his execute back. It's a lot of what made him kha.

iLLucit10 votes

It happened toRiven op to broken as F***

4alex9 votes

For riven I feel like she needed a nerf but not one that was That major and I think I feel the same about Kha, but Kha in general was a Beast (No pun intended... this time) Kha could get Like Red buff at level 6 and just decimate anyone, It didn't matter if he went full AD or Tanky a bit Kha was always destroying because of his % damage. How I feel like they should have changed Kha is like how they tried with Lee, just make it a Flat % for the entire game and not Scaling and going Rediculously powerful. . What I want to see Riot do is pull back Champions from the grave. Graves Sion (Both of those were Intended but all jokes aside,) Urgot Brand Galio Karma Olaf Rammus Amumu Hecarim All of these champions I rarely Ever see because either they aren't as powerful as some of the other meta Champions or they are played but just for trolling, (Yeah... I just directed a statement at you two.Maokai Hecarim ) . But putting all of that aside What I meant to say over all is that I feel like Riven and Kha needed a nerf at the time but not anything that was that major. And I want to see some reworks done or some buffs to the champs I mentioned and Riot to actually do it before 6 years, (Say this doesn't happen? I have one champ for you. Sion )

rss33989 votes

Just between us…with some skill, BrandBrand is absolutely broken atm. Especially with the buff in this patch to his play style (talking about you, item 3116 )

iq disparity13 votes

Amumu has an incredible win rate. No one plays him because either they dont know how strong he is or they know he is really boring to play. He is not a dead champ.

Lejokersbro5 votes

i play olaf he's still pretty strong, you just have to use him right.

Zapland7 votes

I am amazed that you included brand in your list of so called "dead" champions. As a player who mains brand in mid lane, I can personally tell you that he does not need a buff. If he were buffed...God help us all.

FOUR20PHIL47 votes

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Thallek34 votes

SERIOUSLY! I've had so many games where people would complain about not getting their spot when they are last pick and then they pick the lane they want anyway even thought the person ahead of them already picked it.

The Taj223 votes

Maybe a banning system that keeps certain players (toxic, autolockers, AFKers, intentional feeders) from playing ranked. Let them play normals all they want, but give them a timeout for purposely ruining my ranked experience. Ranked is where the toxicity rly shows itself anyways...

CinCameron33 votes

Agreed 100%... i am forever stuck in bronze I because everyone in ranked thinks it's okay to autolock, and act like a complete child.

Jestaro192 votes

I don't quite think thats the reason you are forever bronze.

Ceo 0f Bed Time112 votes

Shots fired

contact5121 votes

I agree With this guy. :P

Dagamier35 votes

If you get stuck in bronze, you're gonna have a baaaaad time.

JustinHit73 votes
  • If user is considered AFK through System, AFK gains triple the LP loss while teammates only lose 50% of LP for loss including a ban for 2 hours. If user is AFK within 7 days after 1st offence, 2nd offence follows a 24 hour ban and 3rd offence being 1 week.
  • If 7 out of the 10 player agree on one player for feeding, that user will be banned for 7 days and gain triple the LP loss, while teammates receive only lose 50% of LP instead 100%.
  • For example, instead of -16 LP it will be -8 LP for losing, while the Feeder/AFK would lose 60 LP if he/she was originally going to lose 20 LP.
  • All bans only involve Ranked. NOT NORMALS.
The Dunk Express12 votes

I'd say that the same 7/10 people agreeing thing should apply to the AFK part as well, because its possible that it was just a DC, not a full on AFK.

Stephenizgod71 votes

Wait why is it harsher for Feeders then AFKers? I think you have it reversed, AFKing should be waaay harsher then feeding. Sometimes you just have a bad game, someone is just that much better, or you are not getting any help from team. As long as they are actively trying to do better i do not think its fair to ban them. You say 7 out of 10, but whether they were really trying to win or not those 7 will still report them.

Personally i think there is no excuse for AFK unless you were lagged out and can prove it.

  • AFKing should be 24 hour ban from League.

  • You lose ALL your LP, if you had less then what you normally would have lost it drops you down a division.

  • If you AFK again within 7 days, 30 day ban from Ranked. AFKing again within 10 days of 30 day ban is permanent ban from Ranked.

  • If you can be proven to have purposely fed then 24 hour ban from Ranked and double LP loss.

pyromancer2819 votes

its intentional feeding though, which usually is very obvious. someone can get stomped on and constantly assassinated, but someone who walks face first into the enemy team is different.

JustInvoke15 votes

Well I guess that's debatable. People get problems with their internet, computer, or a roommate causing problems or an emergency happens. While feeders are just trolling you to lose on purpose. But either way this system or any of the like would be awesome and quite easy to implement for Riot. It depends if they have the balls to do it. It won't affect casual normal play so I dont see the problem with it. Ranked is for competitive players that actually care about winning. And hopefully Riot can see that.

Politus11 votes

No. Reason #1 Comcast Internet. Reason #2 Life Happens. So what I am supposed to send in a copy of the wanted poster into riot because my dog rank away and I had to put my ranked game on hold? Even if that is the case will I get my 24 hours back? How can you tell who is telling the truth and who is abusing the system? It is already a pretty terrible feeling to have to step away from a ranked game, and I think that such harsh penalties will lead to poor decision making IRL.

Fazuzu46 votes

sometimes peoples' power goes out, internet service in their area or neighborhood may be experiencing issues, someone may have attacked their IP address, they may have had an emergency pop up etc. all of those things can be unpredictable, so saying, "well don't play then" could imply one Never plays since those things can happen unexpectedly. that would be the reasoning of a paranoid agoraphobe, applied to logging into and playing a game rather than stepping outside their comfort zone. just apply the full loss to the afk (who if it is legit rage quitting or trolling aren't hurt through being on a 'smurf' account to troll or a main tdgaf about since they rage quit often likely) and then half the loss to the team, for no more than 2 times every 6 or even 24 hours a person being eligable for that btw. to prevent abuse. or believe me, your matches would become worse faster than barry allen could pants you , with everyone and their uncle attempting to abuse the system in some way or trolling for the sake of trolling a mass of players who would suddenly feel safe. that's the goal of trolling these days, to shock the hell out of you and/or make you madder than a hatter.

This is very important to read if you didn't read the rest of that plaster, in hon you could vote kick players. that ran plenty of new players off of the game, between that and them having the biggest bunch of nerd ragers in the genre or even online gaming period. if you incorporate a 'vote' system into the game, you add more toxicity. period. there is a report system, and an honor system. we do NOT need a in-match vote system in place, in this game. please take my word for it. don't give the trolls and crybabies ammunition. I must quote the great Al Bundy on that idea, and simply say, "No Ma'am!"

Life isluck413 votes

I really don't agree with what you say. Let's be real, if you think about it hard enough, the times that YOUR team gets afks are the same as your opponents getting an AFK, right? And let's be honest, when the other team afks, do you actually feel bad for them? No! I would feel extremely happy for the "free" win. And people who play ranked, they aren't afk'ing because they want to ruin your life! They don't even know you!! Sometimes people just have to afk, it's an emergency. Sure, there are people who say, "I'm done, this adc sucks" and goes afk. But come on, your opponents have those people too! An equal amount. It just seems more on your team because you actually care when people afk on your team. And people being toxic? People have bad games. They can get irritated. It happens. People are different. But you know what? To be offended by a complete stranger that you'll never ever meet again...is not a good thing. So I think the system now is fine. That's all.

SquiggsMitchell54 votes

I would say there should be more done about people who are toxic and/or intentionally ruin the game. I'd much rather play with someone who is bad but is trying than a more skilled player who insults and ragers at their whole team.

MMQ66614 votes

You're not in elo hell. Carry your own damn way out of bronze.

AlphaTrutan42 votes

I hate when people think that EVERYONE can carry games, and I also hate it when people (probably much like yourself) think that you did every dang thing in the game and that your teammates didn't help at all! NOT EVERYONE CAN CARRY THEIR GAMES BUT THEY SURE AS HELL CAN HELP OTHER PEOPLE CARRY THEM! I don't see any reason for someone to be stuck in bronze because people decide that they want to troll that day. That is all, I'm done.

Blind Minion7 votes

But following that logic you're opponents have an equal chance to be stuck with trolls; so if you play 1000 games and lose half of those, statistics imply that you are very average and/or comparable to the people you are playing with/against. Unless you're only playing support roles.

GRIZLEDORF16 votes

Lemonnation held the #1 spot in Challenger tier and got there only playing support characters.

Richboy9995 votes

100% agree with this guy.

ShardWintreswolf8 votes

Actually, you'd have a better chance than the opponent considering that it would be 4 chances to get a troll as opposed to 5. (4 people+you, 5 opponents). the only way it becomes 100% 50/50 chance is if you decide at some point to troll as well. (be that in response to another troll or not)

Void Dagger24 votes

You cant punish someone for not being skilled. That would be ridiculous. And if you are playing with unskilled players, that most likely means that you are also unskilled.

Stephenizgod13 votes

I sort of agree with you, you can not punish someone for not being good. The only part i disagree with is being stuck in Bronze or Silver because you cant carry a team that is clearly not as skilled as you or the enemy team.

I actually run into this problem a lot, specially in my Promo series, i do pretty good in lane and in team fights. I just dont main champs that can literally carry a team by killing the other team faster then they can kill us. As a support i try to support by either peeling or CCing or just sustaining but my efforts are not always followed up on or taken advantage of. As a tank i try to peel or take CC or even open up/kill their carries but it doesnt mean my team will follow up or take advantage of it.

Not saying im super good because im not, its just i find myself in the position of having to carry my team alot or being the leader because they dont seem to know what to do. Sometimes it just turns out im the only lane that won or isnt negative.

Porchongle41 votes

Braum "The nerf is the strongest muscle."

Shalomanoray8 votes

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JewFlamer46 votes

hence the quotations, butthead

Raynor111127 votes

"It's a projectile, everybody!"

Sona vs. Yasuo

T status25 votes

I'm still waiting for those east coast servers.

Kizo25 votes

I think these patch rundowns would be slightly improved if there were video illustrations of what the interview people are talking about as they're talking about it -like when they're talking about Zed's deathmark, if there was like a splitscreen video clip of Zed actually doing his combo as they were speaking It would just help viewers think about these changes to hear the interviewers speak while seeing what it is they're discussing at the same time, as well as make the interview portion more exciting to watch

Aurelion Soul23 votes

Scarra why did you bring up the kitty Rengar ;-; nerf incoming everyone

Mangudi23 votes

just release the new map already! so i can finally know when i can make flashy plays over walls instead of fail flashing into nowhere

Metenoia23 votes

Zed "The unseen nerfs, are the deadliest"

Cowinter15 votes

I actually like how Scarra wasn't holding anything back when asking about the changes. We need more of that considering how the balancing is still so far off after so many years of changes. Instead of worrying about the competitive scene they should be worrying about the game in general.

Sex with Simba12 votes

If your having Sona problems, i feel bad for you son, i got 99 problems, playing Sona aint 1

Joeypiig11 votes

they runedThresh lantern in team fights

Kevintiscool17 votes

I really dig these videos, they are informational and casual

gehog6 votes

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Seth the Bum7 votes

She's there to get input from her guests, not the other way around.

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