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Patch Rundown – 4.16

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The Patch Rundown’s back!

We’re focusing Patch 4.16’s rundown discussion on mages and mage identity! While Azir’s busy summoning soldiers and getting his empire back up and running, Cassiopeia’s shed her skin and transformed into a late game hypercarry role in 4.16. Join MsPudding as she discusses the patch alongside designers Riot Scruffy, ZenonTheStoic and Riot Scarizard!

As before, we’re looking for feedback to help us improve future videos, so add in your comments below!

269 Comments

Le Gambit48 votes

I just wanted to say "Thank you LoL for subtitles" I'm mostly deaf and I am so proud for LoL to think about closed captions for other people like me. Once again, thanks and awesome show about Patch 4.16 ^^

Pümpkin7 votes

I know what you mean! Sometimes I miss something and I go like "What?" But the subtitles help a lot.

SandyVJ17 votes

Oh...for the love of all that is holy!!! Can you please give a timeframe on when the Sion "Redux" will be completed? So frustrating to see so many new champs being created and existing champs being tweaked over 3 or 4 patches while he rots on the shelf.

Starkinight7 votes

I am still waiting for My Taric update.

plebianoverlord3 votes

outrageous.

ZGM Dazzling14 votes

I would love to see the different Azir Kit battle! That would be so cool.

Legend61412 votes

Sorry if I missed it, but how will azir's passive work in dominion?

Bathing Cat13 votes

"We currently have no good solution for this on the Crystal Scar. You'll get Will of the Emperor but not Disc of the Sun. This is something I'd like to look at soon as we get the time for it."

-ZenonTheStoic

Said in the comment section on the reveal page.

Ardond2 votes

but he is on the pbe, right? can't you play him on dominion on the pbe?

Tiropat7 votes

yes you can play him. it does nothing

Who Man10 votes

why not just add into his lore that Azir hates the crystal scar for some reason and refuses to ever return to battle there

MasterVidallis14 votes

Removing Dominion would fix it.

plebianoverlord3 votes

uhhhhhhh no.

RedMateria2 votes

They should have just made a new map for the classic game mode. I think it would be cool to have 2 different 5v5 queues, basically the same as summoners rift but with a different theme and different wall/bush locations. Dominions so whack.

CaptainPandas11 votes

where is the Taric VU :( ?

TheLlamaOfMowdom4 votes

Coming in an outrageous number of years.

Clutch Hooks11 votes

Yet no one cares for sion Sion there leaving him to rot rito plz

Bencorgi3 votes

Leave a commentSejuani needs a buff too

Skia Asteri3 votes

If you think that, you are playing her wrong. She is OP.

Project 09 votes

Whatsup Sion ?

Jarito9 votes

Fix Spectator Mode please!

Profcory9 votes

I like when they have a pro player on to discuss and even question/critique the changes, or at least someone who's not a non-Rioter. Having all three be designers led to them just nodding along with each other without having any kind of meaningful back-and-forth.

UnrequitedAria2 votes

I agree with this. Especially during Gnar release. It was very interesting to hear what a competitive player had to say about him.

Twiggles9 votes

Video did not contain lore discussion. Lost interest rapidly. How is 3 second lore considered acceptable at Riot? Please explain.

TheLlamaOfMowdom1 votes

They reworked the Shurima lores and now they are so short...

Riot make the lores longer please.

LukaLuna2 votes

they're PROBABLY gonna make them longer as more installments of the shurima saga are added

InnuThePanda8 votes

But when will URF come back? item 3070

Blue Moon Wolf5 votes

can we see the different kits that where tossed around for azir? would love to see how he evolved through out his creation.

Drell75 votes

For a future patch, (Because i don't draw very well) I would like a skin for Nautilus I was thinking custodian nautilus. Basically his weapon is a dust-mop.

Ziphar4 votes

Cassiopeia passive doesn't seems unique to me, it's similar to Veigar Thresh imo.

ThokPwnage9 votes

seems more like item 3454 to me

Halegorn22 votes

Veigar's passive is a chalice of harmony... but you probably mean his q stacking. Nobody is going to be COMPLETELY 100% unique, so there will be semblances. Cass's stacking is going to be entirely dependent on poisoning people, which means landing skill shots and killing people, while Veigar has his q that he just spams in lane until he can one shot, and Thresh can only stack by being near something that dies, which gives Cass her own special way of stacking something, while the idea of stacks isn't completely unique.

Kuro n Shiro4 votes

Lol hypercarry Cass when she lost roughly 700 damage overall

Digi7alTrauma4 votes

How long until the servers comeback up from the patch prep? item 3070 item 3070

7m3ifIeNDk4 votes

These stack buffs for Cass passive had better be Very strong. Her passive is already one of the best in the game. ITS just NOBODY freaking uses it at ALL. I see so many of the people who claim to be a "top" cass player let the passive Drop and reset back to zero. If you CAST Q all the time at exactly 4.5sec EVEN IF YOU CANT HIT MINIONS OR CHAMPS with it. You can maintain her passive the entire time you're in lane or out of the base. AND you will also REGEN mana while Q'ing. at lvl 5 Q with a 5 stack of the current passive your mana cost is 17mp. However by lvl 8 with a flask set and then a tear at 700g which are your first two items you have more MP5 than 17mp its around 8mana a second AND you can max out the tear in 16-20mins. Also when you B back to buy stuff you can cast 3-4 spells in the base while buying stuff to build passive stacks and just Q back into lane with FULL mana and a FULL set of stacks so 50% less mana cost forever! This also ensures that when you do attack your lane opponent taht you can Bully them non stop with no fear of running out of mana and usually get the kill without the ult saving that for the jungle gank double kill. After that double kill you'll still have more than half your mana bar due to all those spells being at 50%.

This new passive Ruins Cass as far as I can tell. Unless her stacks help build massive MP5 becuase cass is a mana hungry beast unless you play her as I've mentioned above. I've even played Cass Support. You build a little slower but you start with the same two items and you can Bully the bot lane under the towers and free farm CS with NO fear of the jungle gank because as cass support you actually can put out a shit ton of damage.

GuldenDraak90003 votes

I miss old Cassiopeia... She's ruined now for me.

Bers2 votes

No offense, I love this game and all but I REALLY hate the new lores... I mean you had made them really good stories and now they're basically saying "Hi. My name is Renekton. One day I got mad and its all my brother's fault. Bye." I really hope this at least gets stuff added onto it because this is just way too boring for me...

SeaNineJatt2 votes

When will we get a proper deterrent to dodging in ARAM? Average sits around 5 dodges before all 10 stick around. Up the ban time considerably and set re-rolls to zero.

Flight 1732 votes

Logged in just so I could get two requests out there.

  1. Can we get copy paste when viewing the Patch notes from the LOL Launcher.

  2. Can we view the comments / log in & comment when Viewing the Patch Notes from the LOL Launcher.

TheLordOfFamine2 votes

**I read these patches for one reason.. **To see whose OP and whose not anymore... To see who i'm going to nonstop banned and verse every match until the new patch arrives.

Daynen2 votes

While I appreciate that they're updating old champs, just on principle, I have to wonder: why the HELL was cassiopeia their first target? Even within the mage spectrum, there are champs who are just dying for something to modernize them. Ryze, for example. He just gets more damage from mana, and more CDR from CDR, effectively. Doesn't do much for the "output" they're phrasing for up there.

The new Cass passive just enforces my desire to build a team with her, Nasus, and veigar. the common theme? Time is not on the enemy's side. You see those stackers come out, you're on the clock. You take more than 40 min to beat them, you lose.

TheCleaningCrew2 votes

I hope to god you're not planning to change all the champ bios like you did the ones in this patch. I actually enjoy reading those things, and while the new ones get straight to the point they're just not interesting. If I didn't already know what the bios used to be, some of what I read just now wouldn't even make sense to me.

I know you guys want to leave the lore open so you're not so restricted, but you could have filled the bios up with more stuff that wouldn't do that. I'd even ask you to fix the ones you just changed. Make them longer, give them more detail, make them more interesting. Don't let those be the final draft.

Edit: I like everything else you've done this patch. But I mean, come on. Three lines?

KishinAsura9122 votes

This is what happend to my LOL'Unspecified error occured.Please check the logs for more information'

Serpents Embrace2 votes

It's a joke saying they're "diversifying" mages when the Cassi update just homogenized her build and power curve. :\

Kayana Koe1 votes

I guess the Soraka update is too sensative. I still think she could stand for a lower heal cooldown and not being able to use her w and e on FRIGGEN MINIONS! WHY IS THAT EVEN A THING?! I cannot even count how many times I've misclicked minions -.-

ThokPwnage9 votes

there's a button to only target champions, you know. I believe it's keymapped to ` by default.

chango6255 votes

While it is wildy annoying to misclick heal a minion during laning phase, a fun little thing that I enjoy doing is letting a minion take a turret hit then healing it, that armor buff is crazy plus obviously the heal let's it take extra hits varying on cannon minon or otherwise. More than a few times it's been just enough for me and the adc to get the turret.

Seth the Bum8 votes

I do the same with Karma's shield. And boy can Alistar's heal really push a lane when combined with the Ardent Censer! It's like Oprah handing out attack speed.

SouledOne1 votes

Only problem I see with "late game Cass," is MOST assassin mids can dominate early to mid, and still wreck late game.

Tanglewalker2 votes

Ya, I'm a bit worried about this, as well. I guess we'll have to wait and see how she shakes out, but it feels like her early game got overly nerfed for the late game that you may never make it to. I'm worried her early and mid game will suffer too heavily after all the nerfs she took, that she will have a very difficult time not being bullied out of lane, and thus out of passive stacks. I really want to see some pro matches with her in them to see if and how they use her effectively.

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