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Isaacorion7 votesThe Counseling Center for Overloaded and Overpowered Champions Case # : 134239 Subject Name : Kalista Status : Over-nerfed, Unplayable
: Counsellor Morgana, your next appointment is here.
: Wait, is it that time already? Crap, I was about to beat Kayle in Icewind Pass.
: Apologies. Should I tell her to wait a few minutes?
: No, let her in.
(Kalista walks into the office.)
: Welcome Kalista, please, take a seat, make yourself comfortable.
: Okay. Not like I have a match on the Rift to get to soon.
: Don't you start that crap yet. No whining until we get to the end of the spear.
: Seriously...
: Don't look at me like that. Now, take that notepad and write down everything in your skillset.
: Okay. (Starts writing.)
: (Starts arranging things on her desk. Once done...) What's taking so long?
: Shut it, I've got a lot of skills to write down. (Morgana sighed and waited, and then Kalista passed her the notepad.)
: Let's see... Oh, you start with a free item? Well aren't you special... Oathbinds to an ally, often support, and gets attack speed boost for being near them. Decent passive.
: That's not my passive. That's just tacked on to my W skill.
: Wait, what? What is your... SO YOUR THE ONE HOPPING ALL OVER BOT LANE!
: Counsellor Morgana, something wrong?
: Oh, no. Sorry. So you have the hop passive. And then you have Pierce, decent little skillshot, and Rend.
: Don't forget my Ult. Pulls in my Oathsworn and then I throw them.
: Oh yeah. So a classic case of an overloaded kit... (Scribbles something down) Okay, here's my recommendation...
: (holds breath)
: Dump that passive. Move your W passive to your normal passive. We'll let Pierce keep the little hop thing. As for Rend, now it caps at 3 stacks, and the cooldown is shortened if you Rend an enemy with 3 stacks.
: ...you're giving me a 3-hit passive?
: Don't interrupt me! As for your ult, keep it as is. Saving support lives is important, so that has to stay.
: I don't know about this...
: Well, either you accept these changes and try it out, or you can stay in Meddler's dungeon of unplayable status.
: I'LL TRY IT I'LL TRY IT!
: Very well. (Hands Kalista a note.) Take that to Blitzcrank at the exit door and he'll get you set up.
: Thank you Morgana, thank you for giving me a future.
: Yeah yeah yeah, expect a bill soon. (Kalista leaves, Morgana looks back at her computer.)
: Enemy dominates.
: That's what you think Kayle!
Salsus1 votesplease don't tell me you are getting rid of her passive, that's what made me fall in love with the champ
Isaacorion2 votesWell, Morgana hates that passive with a bloody passion. Have you tried pegging a Kalista with a Q binding? Just a story. Nothing to take seriously (seriously Riot, don't use these as guidelines. Just don't.)
StaircaseGone221 votesKalista's passive is what makes her cool
Aeszarck1 votesThat was really good. Loved it.
Urf Is God5 votesRemove the plants and bring back smite buffs
TheUrfGoesWurf15 votes? plants are fun af wtf are u saying. the blast cone is so fun lmfao. it actually takes knowledge to use the plants properly, they are actually gud :)
Urf Is God5 votesPlants are simple minded and wolves smite alone has more value. Anyone with a brain can use right blast cone day one. Oh the other 2 at near pointless, fruit is only used by junglers picking up scuttle or pushed up laners. It doesn't do anything in fights, the vision one counters itself because the enemy knows when they are spotted by it. They have fixed spawns so if you get vision they know where you are coming from. Blast cone only saves/kills once every 2 games on average. Last time I checked full blue side vision control is worth more then that on either side. The ward clearing is still better on raptors so then the vision plant. Plants are worse then smite buffs, if you don't understand that I doubt you will ever learn the game.
Derp R Us2 votesNow, when they fix them as units, they're going to be even more fun.
There's a lot of odd things they aren't programmed for, Poppy's shield doesn't return on killing them, for example.
LeadedWolf5 votesI hated it at first, but I am actually liking it. Its helped out a lot more than the buffs did
Urf Is God4 votesWelp bronze confirmed doesn't understand value of Wolves and Raptors smite.
LeadedWolf1 votesLooks like I might be speaking to a bronze player. (or a person that got carried their way to the rank they are at.) They are trying something new, and also I am no bronze. I did use them a bunch and when I play mid lane it is a huge change which it great, now both sides have the same goals as each other. You can always keep a ward there until it goes away or someone puts a control ward.
Emojay1 votesI checked looking. He's gold. ;-;
Urf Is God1 votesHey go look me up on na.op.gg look at my ranked scores LUL. I'm in gold because I only want the rewards. If I want to go higher I can with ease I got on a 10 win streak with ease at the season end. If I actually want to rank up I will. Once you have some proof on your profile and some proper logic then speak. Control wards are just a new pink that doesn't have shit to do with wolves you monkey. The point of wolves was to save wards and have control without needing to use a warding trinket or a pink that only covers one spot. Learn how vision works you boosted baboon.
LeadedWolf1 votesOuch, someone got offended easily. Looks like someone has had a tough life to hate me. You sir are a true League player. Why I say that is I bet you are one of the types of people who say GG EZ. Just by your attitude alone I can see that. People like that (Mainly you) disgust me. You take away the Fun in games. So please stop jacking off to hate mail and actually get a life.
Thank you <3 [slayer-jinx-wink]
Urf Is God1 votesLUL Nice contradiction, talking about haters but hating yourself. However, I rarely even speak in games I couldn't care less how people act or play in game I carry them. The few times I do is to give information or call split pushes otherwise I just ping. It's when people spread bullshit on the boards that annoys me. This is what Riot reads for feedback and when we have people who blindly follow their decisions it makes them think they are right when they are wrong. I'm salty because you guys genuinely think plants are better then smite buffs when statistically they don't come close.
We don't need more people blindly following Riot or they will never change or take a really long time to change bad decisions. It's the reason so many bad choices went on for so long with people complaining non stop about them but they take forever to actually be fixed. I don't want plants in pre-season I would much prefer higher value smite buffs. However, if people keep supporting plants blindly without understanding how much was taken away they will stay in live.
You also proved my point by calling yourself a casual. These plants aren't healthy for competitive, which in your case doesn't matter. So basically this should be left to the ranked players that do understand the game. Not casuals that don't understand what the changes bring on a in depth level or even care if they do because you guys just play the game however it is.
LeadedWolf1 votesLol the rage, thanks for cheering me up knowing someone like you exist <3 [slayer-jinx-catface]
I just stop giving a fuck, come on keep ranting. Unleash the bullshit. I want to hear more on how your word is law above anyone else who plays this game. Come on! <3
Urf Is God1 votesLUL the blind salt
LeadedWolf1 votesPlus look at this board. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/memes/lWpdiaRT-every-preseason-there-are-three-types-of-player I think this suits us well
Urf Is God1 votesSorry I was busy with life earlier. I've been playing the game since 2009 your 4 years don't mean anything regardless if I have played a single year or 7. You know who plays 1v1's in a team focused games based around multiple decisions that leads to loss or victory bronze/silver players. That is exactly why they are in bronze/silver, but sure add me I'll 1v1 you tomorrow if I have the time.
However, once again I have to correct your incorrect facts. No the jungle doesn't offer more gold because global camp respawn timers were increased which balances the gold. The plants are hands down less value statistically then smite buffs.
I honestly don't find the plants fun though, woo I hit a vision plant so fun, I hit a fruit plant and picked up some fruits so fun. Oh look I hit a blast cone to jump so fun, maybe it saves my life or gets me a kill once every few games having a real impact. It's no more fun then smiting a mob, you know what I find fun, playing weird junglers, trying new builds. That changes the game far more then plants that is fun. Oh and so is winning, but again your point is? It just seems like your trying to make a argument for no reason without actually understanding what your arguing about.
Also that doesn't relate to me at all I actually enjoy all the changes but two. Removing smite buffs for plants of course and the removal of Strength of Ages. I'm a statistical player I like change as long as it's for the better, I hate change if it's for the worse. BTW Your not optimists, you just look at the patch notes like oooo shiny me like. Then you don't further question the integrity of the changes while players like me go over each change to see if it is for better or worse. In short it's being simple minded or careless or both.
LeadedWolf1 votes(Just by the way you act your life doesn't seem like it would be great anyhow so I don't care.) So you been playing sense it first came out, good for you. I was working on my life at that time and actually living it quite well right now because of that, thank you. Plus I do know its a team based game, so has every other game that has ever been made. So you say like I don't know? Lawl, what do you take me as, a noob? And yea I want to vs. you because I see fun in it, but also I work 2nd shift on EST time so its hard to play with most people, but I can try. <3
I may of been wrong about the jungle with the gold, oh well we are not all perfect, plus I am to busy ganking lanes to worry about gold most of the time. Once again I have to say, games change over time. You think they will keep the same thing for a very long time? No, no one does ever.
What I find great about plants is, it has saved and benefit my team. As in the one in the river, I pop that to slow down the enemy just enough to catch up and get the kill. The plant that shows where champs where they will be is great because it gets rid of the surprise they had and makes it safe for the jungle to be like, hey their buff isn't there, guess I will not go over there. Plus the other one where it adds a jumps, that can be a whole game changer, it has for my games. Plus I do love going many different junglers, they are fun and changing it up a bit while playing, as in the items, is fun. Actually about the point, the only point I made was, game changed, deal with it its going to happen. Smite buffs are gone. Have fun with this game. Hate the community. That's the only points I made and with the hate the community you really showed me that point well. <3 [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
Also, I am not like OH SHINY, I am not that type of person. I actually read up and look at stuff, and guess what just like you I have an opinion also. Mind blowing right???? [zombie-brand-mindblown]
Urf Is God1 votesI didn't ask for you life story. Anyways the smite buffs have only been around for S6 while lanes have been basically the same exact thing for years. Why change jungle so much if you don't change lanes too? What they should of done is evolved smite buffs changed them but kept their value. Just taking away smite buffs that had become a massive mechanic of jungle is huge. Also if you understand the jungle the only time you go to enemy buffs you know they're because you track the enemy junglers clear. Plus if you just smite the wolves you have a ton of vision to play around.
The only point of Riot asking for feedback is because they want to know if changes were good or not so no we shouldn't just deal with it. If they were to remove a champion that people main you think people would just deal with it? No they would riot for it back or a lot of them would just quit. This is a competitive PVP game where only educated opinions and facts matter that applies to all games. How you have fun on a competitive game is irrelevant balance is what is important because people play competitive PVP games to win.
On a final note you are a noob a extreme noob regardless of your rank because you don't understand the game at a high level. If you did you wouldn't be a casual silver player. However, I'm not going to 1v1 anymore every time you comment you just prove how little you actually understand the game. It would be a waste of my time to smash you if you don't think I can just look at my rank games. I'm ending this here you can reply with whatever salty stupid comment you want this is just a waste of my time. Just go play norms and stay off the boards unless it relates to something where casuals matter.
LeadedWolf1 votesSorry for the late response, I actually enjoyed my ranked games I played because they were fun. Glad to know that Riot said, all feedback matters. I guess mine don't mean anything anymore, thanks! Guess Gold is the best, its better then Plat. Who would of guessed?
[zombie-brand-mindblown]
You sir need to learn how to chill the fuck down, damn. My opinion doesn't matter tho I guess because you are all mighty and godlike from what you are telling me. Even plat players fear your gold. I am sorry for being such a noob, oh god why did I carry the team! Oh no I am such a noob because I actually enjoy playing games!
[zombie-brand-mindblown]
Dang my mind keeps getting blown for how crazy this conversation as gotten. You sir deserve a medal. The medal of dickness. I was just saying my own feedback, because any feedback matters. No matter who its from. I just wish a Riot employee would just look at this and see who's in the right. I know I would be right because it doesn't matter the rank. It matters with the community. If there was none of that then this would of never been a thing. The game would of never even been made. You can say I get salty, yes I am, only because of you. A pathetic lowlife who "THINKS" they are better than anyone else, just because of a gold icon.
So I am glad this conversation is over and that I don't have to deal with your ignorant ass ever again. Thanks for the conversation and I do curse you to not get gold and to lose further games. Just to prove a point so you can understand. Thanks! <3
[slayer-jinx-wink]
Urf Is God1 votesLUL the blind salt, oh and statistics is the only thing I follow which it above us all. I just put them into words.
LeadedWolf1 votesWant to have a 1v1 later? I'd be down to show you rank don't mean anything. I just want to play for fun :D
Urf Is God1 votesWhat does any of this have to do with 1v1? This is about game health this applies to the game as a whole. Also ranked means a lot we would of never had a e-sports scene without ranked. Take your rage elsewhere, stay off the boards.
LeadedWolf1 votesI am not having any rage, unless you call <3 a rage icon lol, but no I am not getting off the boards. I just want people like you to understand, its just a game. Stuff is bound to change. Yea the buffs were great, but the plants seem cooler to me. Plus some of the monsters in the jungle are better now and provide more gold than it did once before. So I think its balanced and fun, but I guess you don't know fun do you? You only know the salt. <3 [slayer-jinx-wink]
LeadedWolf1 votesBut reason why I say we should do a 1v1 is because you think you are better than me, because you are Gold and I am Silver. So that would just prove a point if I won. Which may seem very likely. Also to let you know I have been playing sense 2012 so I have years under my belt, idk about you tho. It seems like League has been around longer then you have been born. [slayer-jinx-wink]
Urf Is God1 votesHey go look me up on na.op.gg look at my ranked scores LUL. I'm in gold because I only want the rewards. If I want to go higher I can with easy I got on a 10 win streak with ease at the season end. If I actually want to rank up I will. Once you have some proof on your profile and some proper logic then speak. Control wards are just a new pink that doesn't have shit to do with wolves you monkey. The point of wolves was to save wards and have control without needing to use a warding trinket or a pink that only covers one spot. Learn how vision works you boosted baboon. Your only S5 barely even hanging onto it, you don't understand crap.
LeadedWolf1 votesPlus to add on I don't play ranked. I hate playing ranked because I have to deal with people like yourself. I rather play casuals and not stress myself out from the assholes. Plus ranked never means anything. I just played enough to get ranked and didn't care anymore. Ranked is nothing but nonsense to have the people who are higher to gloat and be full of themselves. I have plat players say why am I in silver, my response is I don't give a fuck, its just a game. Learn to enjoy the new season. Shit cant always be about you. Have fun you baboon.
LeadedWolf1 votesLooks like I might be speaking to a bronze player. (or a person that got carried their way to the rank they are at.) They are trying something new, and also I am no bronze. I did use them a bunch and when I play mid lane it is a huge change which it great, now both sides have the same goals as each other. You can always keep a ward there until it goes away or someone puts a control ward. Plus it helps the people who forgot smite, sometimes people forget and that game gets one sided fast.
Hammermancer2 votesActually i like the plants, i think the smite buffs (Particularly Raptors and wolves) were amazing and extremely important, and they aren't completely accounted for
Urf Is God3 votesThey aren't even close to accounted for.
grarrrg2 votesPlants worse than Smite Buffs? Possibly. But one of their goals is to keep the game from stagnating, which requires trying new/different things from time to time. For this next season, they've decided to mess with the Jungle to try to shake things up and see what happens.
Urf Is God1 votesLet me just stop you there... the game stagnating, mess with the Jungle this season? LUL They pretty much rework the jungle completely every single damn season. The jungle has never been stagnate because they won't stop changing it. It's annoying especially when everyone really liked jungle S6 it was in the best spot it has ever been by a land slide. However, they still decide to fuck it up for no reason. Holy shit you people really are blind followers, this is why Riot does not listen to feedback because the idiots like you who blindly support them without thinking about what really changed.
grarrrg1 votes[{quoted}](name=Urf Is God,realm=NA,application-id=Ag8jgd8Q,discussion-id=3fLEVwRJ,comment-id=000400030000,timestamp=2016-11-17T02:04:25.418+0000) They pretty much rework the jungle completely every single damn season.
Well, then you answered your own problem. They changed it because they like to change it.
Urf Is God1 votesThey change it without anyone wanting it changed, that is the problem here.
Afro Zaunian1 votesCompletely wrong place to be discussing this, and honestly the scryer bloom plant is actually really well thought out. When you were able to steal enemy wolves that shit was so frustrating, simply too risky to take any camp on your blue side, the scryer bloom makes it so you actually have to pay attention to your enemy it if you want to catch him taking a camp, see where he starts and decide where he'll go. The blast can be is a bit lazy but with improvements it could become pretty nice. The only one I have a problem with is honey fruit.
Urf Is God1 votesTwo words Bronze Logic
Emojay2 votesI actually LIKE them! And trust me, I didn't think I would. Once you get used to them, it's not so bad. However, I'm not one to force someone into believing something. So if you don't like it, I'm not going to say, WELL THEN DONT PLAY IT BLAH BLAH BLAH! I just reccomend you give them a shot. In my opinion, they aren't as bad as they could be.
BlackMetalZ101 votesplants are actually fun except for those troller who use it to knock you into enemy team in a jg team fight so yeah... But I still like it
HyperZEROXL3 votesSHOW URGOD LOVE PEOPLE!!!!
Emojay1 votesThey should take new skin away from lux and give it to Urgot. The least they could do after they accidentally gave the star guardian skin to Janna. (The guy's cat walked on his keyboard and gave the skin to Janna!)
Derp R Us2 votesI've always wondered if hybrid Aatrox would be a bad idea considering the 100% AP ratio on his ultimate and E. I've thrown 
and 
on him.
Rogue Blitzwolf1 votesFirst Azir, Kalista, and Aatrox were on free rotation now Aatrox and Kalista are on sale.
Psychratic2 votesDon't forget Urgod
Rogue Blitzwolf1 votesMy bad
siwar101 votes
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netheyo1 votesPlease have a kassadin skin sale it's been so long
