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help with jungle

TockSick·5/15/2015, 8:11:23 PM·4 votes·826 views

Hey guys I am not the best player and I would like some help improving my game. So, I have a couple question I hope you guys can help me with to improve my game. My first question is what should a jungler's cs be around 20 minutes? I end up with very limited cs and don't know if I need to improve (around 40 at 20 minutes). My second question is if the dragon is more important than the first towers right now? I have always thought since s5 and the new jungle that dragon becomes more important. I think dragon is more important because the first three towers are going to fall some time in the game unless it is a slaughter. On top of that once you take dragon you get buffs to helping you push the towers faster. Shouldn't the dragon be the first goal? I have multiple players get mad at me when I jungle saying tower is less important when we could get a free dragon. My third question is lane covering. When the person is not in their lane (and does not have tp) and they are buying or on a death counter is it bad for me to cover their lane? I have been yelled at multiple times for "taking their cs" when the tower is just going to kill it and the xp is going to get wasted. On top of xp and gold getting wasted the opposing laner will push and get ahead in lane. My last question is about teammates over extending. If I am jungling and my team is over extending in all lanes what should I be doing? I cant gank because their lanes are pushed to towers. I end up just farming and trying to tell my team to back off because most times when I see people overextend they lose lane (well 95% of the time). I know i asked a lot of questions but any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Serevas5/15/2015, 8:28:40 PM5 votes

Jungler CS at 20min - There is something that's basically unanswerable because if you do a full clear and then gank every single lane getting a kill, your cs is going to be lower, jungler cs is often substantially lower than laners.
Dragon Importance - If you could knock down the outer tower, take the tower, because typically you can then collect dragon afterwards. Tower provides global gold so it helps everyone, sure you get dragon buffs, but you have all game to stack those and it's unlikely that the enemy team is going to pick up the dragon if you're knocking down a tower, and if it does happen, it's fine to trade those objectives, because taking down a tower gives you more map pressure, where taking dragon just gives you little buffs. So if you have the opportunity to destroy a tower, take that first, the dragon will likely still be waiting for you. If the tower is basically at full hp, just take the dragon because you won't have the time to crush the whole tower most likely.
Covering lane is perfectly fine, but frankly you're better off not doing it if you don't understand minion wave control. I've had junglers come to my lane and break a minion wave that was frozen in my favor and it not only cost me CS, but then gave the enemy laner room to then freeze the lane against me and further deny me farm. Last hitting under turret is 100% fine, and a lot of people don't understand that you might as well be picking up the gold they're going to lose anyway.
Overextending teammates - When you don't have any gankable lanes, go back to farming, and try to get some jungle objective control, you can throw down wards for vision in the enemy jungle, but be careful not to get caught and killed, you can counter jungle a bit, but above all else make sure you're farming and getting gold, you can also look for a dive, but be very careful about that kind of play as it can be extremely risky and even backfire horribly. If your team is overextending with wards usually little harm is done, if not there can be problems, look for gaps in vision around overextended lanes, typically you'll have an enemy jungler near there, and you can look to do a counter gank.

ItsGflow5/15/2015, 11:39:10 PM2 votes

Another thing to mention about cs@20. It depends on who you're playing. My main jungler is Shaco, my CS is usually rather low as I go for VERY early ganks. I take camps until lvl 3 then head to a lane, and I will generally gank more than farm. Probably not the best way to go about it but it's how I do it.

BigIdea5/16/2015, 3:01:17 AM2 votes

when you cover lanes, you want to ensure that the wave doesn't push in favor of the opposing laner when you stop covering the lane - this puts your laner in the awkward position of being overextended and being unable to farm at the same time. generally, if your wave is larger and is pushing, you want to clear the enemy wave as quickly as possible so that your wave crashes into the enemy tower and the minion waves are at a neutral point in the lane when your laner returns. if the opposing wave is larger and is pushing your tower, you probably want to hold the wave (stand there and soak up some damage) and prevent it from getting into turret range so that your laner has a large wave to farm when he returns.
few options. you can ward the river for your laner. you could sneak into the lane bush if your laner is pushed far up - this works better top lane, since the support usually wards the back bush bot lane.

grLKQ9ma0o5/16/2015, 9:17:22 AM1 votes

Your jungle cs completely depends on the type of jungler you are playing and where your powerspikes are. For a jungler like Vi or Lee Sin, you want to clear gromp/krugs followed by your buffs (by which point you hit level 3), then gank. Because you have high gank pressure, your farm will be lower. For a champion like Udyr or Master Yi, you will have less gank pressure than the aforementioned junglers, so you will likely farm more than them. For a champion like Diana or Warwick, you will farm quite a bit until you reach level 6, but at that point, you will gank almost immediately. There's no set ruse on how much you should have like a lane does.

Dragon is a weird objective. Dragon used to be early game focused, getting early gold advantages, but with the changes, it has a lot less to do with early game and more stacking buffs it gives you, meaning more of a late game focus. For the same reason, unless it's 5th dragon, stealing dragon, but dying is usually not worth it.

TheProfezzor5/17/2015, 12:37:01 AM1 votes

I will cover a lane if I am near it and my teammate is back or died. I only last hit for gold an exp. it is very helpful for the jungler and especially for me as I play carry champs. When the teammate sees me in lane they generally yell at me and it's extremely dumb. Like you said, those creeps are going to die no matter what, I'm not pushing a lane, if I'm not there to soak up the exp or gold no one gets it. Laners don't get it. Just don't push their lane and you're fine. Most likely they're yelling out of frustration cause they're bad.