Support advice (Gold+ only please)

Anotherherolost·6/5/2015, 1:38:36 PM·7 votes·1,476 views

I was just wondering if any of the higher ELO supports could give me some advice. I main Leona but I am also competent with Braum and Nami. I don't duo because I haven't found an ADC worth a damn I'd want to play with all the time. I win lane and get my adc fed in laning phase literally 85% of the time but more often than not our mid or top lets there opponent snowball. I roam and gank mid when I can, I buy 2 wards and a pink on my first back, ss and a pink on my second back. How can I have more impact on the game? I love support but I'm tired of winning lane, getting adc fed and then losing.

23 Comments

BagsandCabs6/5/2015, 4:13:05 PM4 votes

Hi there, silver 1 support main on the cusp of gold: http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=bagsandcabs

If you have near 100 matches on a champion and you have less than a 50% win rate, I would recommend switching to another champion and coming back to Leona later. You may really enjoy Leona, but the record of your games is sending you a message. I did the same thing when my win% with Thresh was something like 27% because I went from s2 to almost b1 with him. If you pick simpler champions for a time it lets you focus on your support responsibilities instead of fighting the mechanics of your champion. I picked up taric who works pretty well in certain comps, and expanded my pool to include Nautilus and Alistar who are both REALLY strong right now.

If you are trying to improve, I would stop playing normals and stick to ranked. People in TB are more likely to surrender if they fall behind and there's too much variance in the types of players/champions you go up against.

-Be very proactive with your sightstone and improve your map awareness. Anytime I see the jungler top or recalling, or my adc is safe in bot lane, I go into the enemy jungle and ward at the big intersection near blue buff on both sides(EDIT: Just to be clear if you're top side ward in the bush infront of red and at the tip behind it, so you know when either their jungler or mid lane is coming). That is one of the biggest things you can do to help everyone on your team during the laning phase because they know when to expect ganks.

  • Always time summoner spells and be aware of when dragon will spawn. If you don't have timestamps enabled, you should do so immediately. Flash is on a 5 min cooldown except for supports who have 4:30. Your jungler/mid lane will have a much easier time ganking for you if they know they can't flash away. For dragon, give your team a reminder 3 minutes, 2 minutes, and 1 minute before it spawns. You should ward around the area when it's safe between the 2 and 1 minute mark.
  • *** Don't build the exact same items every match. I see some of your games where the only ap on their team was a katarina and you still went mercury treads. Sometimes you need to rush a frozen heart, or a locket, or complete your FotM depending on the enemy comp and who is getting fed. You also need to be getting a sweeping lens trinket. You do not need more wards on top of your sightstone early on, it is much more important to deny vision around objectives and to clear wards for your jungler/mid lane to gank.

I don't want to clutter this up too much but those are some of the things I find really useful in my games. I'd like to hear your feedback.

Teachan6/5/2015, 3:01:35 PM3 votes

Switch from initiation to peeling in the mid to late game. If an opportunity opens itself and you catch 1 or 2 then by all means go ham.

Also, if mid or top has snowballed, ward their lane if bot tower is gone. The extra vision can help them catch up by farming.

But most importantly would be peeling for the adc. If they're fed they need you to make sure they're safe. Leona may be the queen of engage, but she also has amazing peel if you land your e's.

If you can manage to convince your team to group, you'd be a godsend. Leona thrives in team fights but also picking people off with the vision you make happen.

To be fair, I don't play much Leona as supports in this meta, I feel, don't need engage but disengage. So, take what I say as a grain of salt. I looked over some of your support matches and I don't see too many loses. Usually the only thing I saw was the other team pushed towers much better than your team. Not necessarily something you can control, just focus on peeling for the adc would be my suggestion. Praise the sun, indeed.

MacDthree6/5/2015, 1:58:11 PM2 votes

upvoting because I'd like to see the comments on this.

slippykitten6/5/2015, 5:31:17 PM2 votes
  1. Never ward, its a waste of Gold and isnt the supports job. You get less gold income, obviously you cant afford them.
  2. Take all the kills you can (and if you can sneak some cs without the adc knowing) - ADC's are normally useless and you will need to carry him, so you need the gold more.
  3. Build full damage, always. Damage output is more reliable than helping someone who may or may not actually put out the damage.
  4. take TP and ignite for pro toplane ganks. Enemy team never expects a full damage supp to TP into their lane and ignite them.
  5. If bot lane isnt snowballing in your favor hard, abandon it. If the ADC cant hold it on his own, then he never deserved you in the first place. Go gank mid, top, and the jungler.
  6. Split push if your team is bad. Always better to take objectives than to try to help a fail team
  7. Above all, the best way to win is to always do whats in your best interest. Teams cannot be relied upon, and only pro players really understand why they have a support and can make good use of them. Your team will not, and you need to carry their sorry butts.
grLKQ9ma0o6/5/2015, 11:51:36 PM2 votes

Treat your team like your pokemon. Your job is to make sure your pokemon deals damage to them while not taking much. If the enemy dives on your pokemon, get them off. Prioritize your protection on the most valuable pokemon on your team, which sometimes isn't your adc.

Aheadatime6/5/2015, 5:34:58 PM1 votes

I don't play Leo, but I got from low silver to G1 playing predominantly support/jungle last season (G3 currenty).

First and foremost, you cannot win your lane if your adc is junk/doesn't play adc. You can save your adc from death, harass enemy adc, ward thoroughly, roam/ping, etc, but the support is only half the lane. The other half is the adc following up on your plays (and vice versa with a good adc). Furthermore, if your team doesn't notice the vision you provide, doesn't follow up on your engages, re-engages after you disengage, or just flat out sucks at the game, you cannot win games as support. Again, this is a team game, and unfortunately, sometimes you just lose.

As far as laning goes, there are 2 general zones that are very important as support regarding positioning. I've attached a crap pic to demonstrate. Zone 2 is where people like blitz, leo, and morg like to hang out. It provides cover for their abilities and can force the enemy to blow their trinkets in the early levels, leaving jungle paths clear for your jungler (which you should communicate). It's important to maintain control over this zone as it can turn the tide in a trade if not warded, as it interrupts auto animations and forces "spell chasing" (when you use something like janna W on an opponent who runs into unwarded bush, you end up chasing them by default unless you command otherwise).

Then there is zone 1. This is where I like to be, as I main poke supports like karma and sona. If red team is trying to control zone 2 while hiding in the bush etc, then blue team can simply ignore this tactic by hovering near river in zone 1. Thus, you're out of range of support in zone 2 and are free to shove lane quickly, forcing support to leave zone 2 and back up towards their tower. If zone 2 support leaves bush, you rotate back towards zone 2 to incentivize enemies to go back to zone 2. If support leaves zone 2 aggressively, in front of minion wave and ready to hard-engage, you simply exit via river. You may lost 2-3 cs this way, but you'll save yourself 2 deaths.

The real advantage to zone 1 is control over enemy adc. While blitz may be free to sit in bush for the entire game, graves has to be in lane in order to cs. This leaves him open for things like sona Q/karma Q from zone 1, and he cannot do anything about it besides lose cs or hard engage. Hard engaging with low HP is foolish, and this is where zone 1 thrives. HP wars are crucial early levels, and if you can chunk your enemy HP to about 50%, they can no longer consider hard engaging. I cannot tell you how many times I've won lane simply by hovering near zone 1 and hitting Q as sona while the enemy blitz/leo/morg sits in bush waiting for a chance to all-in that never comes.

Obviously, there is much more to laning. There is more detailed aspects of positioning, there is champ match-up (both adc and support), there is jungler match-up and what to expcect from your jungler (no ganks from WW pre-6, etc), mid roaming potential (ward hard if enemy is LB/kat), syngery with your adc, drag control, wave management, etc. I cannot type all of my experiences here, as it would be a frigging novel. I mentioned zone 1 vs zone 2 as this simple concept alone has pretty much carried me to gold regarding my supporting. It is also worth it to type out to your adc that you plan on utilizing one of these zones. I often tell my adc "hover near river to avoid blitz in bush and we win lane via poke", and they listen.

Sirin Gioro6/7/2015, 5:31:53 PM1 votes

Don't play Janna until you're in high gold (gold 2) and above. She's a peeler and her laning phase isn't that bully-ish. In low ELO, it's better to play bully-ish supports like Nami & Leona, both of them can peel well but just not as good as Janna. Nami is easily countered by Leona then Blitz and Thresh. I only play Nami vs other squishy supports like Janna and Morgana. I usually only roam as Leona/Nami when bot is pushing and my ADC is OK with being alone. Sometimes my ADC apparently doesn't notice me leaving so he went to 1v2 and blamed me for "leaving him" despite pinging that I was leaving to roam. Also, never leave a Vayne, Jinx, Ashe alone. Vayne because she's kinda weak early (needs time to ramp up), Jinx and Ashe because she has no escape (she's dead if she gets hooked). You can leave ADCs to roam with dashes (Lucian, Graves, Ezreal) assuming they're not stupid to 1v2 enemy.

Curling Veigar6/5/2015, 4:34:31 PM1 votes

sit in bushes

Buttigieg 20206/6/2015, 12:07:29 AM1 votes

Hi, bronze 5 adc main on the verge of challenjour. Here are some tips for support

Build full damage Take all the farm and kills Use your adc as bait Blame your team for your mistakes.