Any tips for a terrible jg?

Inada·9/27/2015, 9:17:11 AM·1 votes·644 views

So I have recently started jging. for reasons that I need to know what every individual does to improve and so far I have fallen in love with it. Alas I cant say im very good at it. The biggest problem I seem to have is xp. Keeping up with a solo laner can be ... well difficult. I seem to get a lot of comments like. " lol jg is always 1-2 lvls behind " Which is fair cause till mid - late game I usually am.

I have really noticed laners dislike it when I take minions after a gank ( even though thats what im supposed to do ) so I usually leave after 2-4 minions. I also am not sure when a good time to rush to lvl 4 or just go for the lvl 3 gank is. So any advice even stuff I may or should know at this point would be a great help. Even a link to something to help me improve as I play would be greatly appreciated. __ One final note. Not sure if its important but the 3 main jg I like and have the most success are shyv, gragas and sej

Thank you for your time. Dachinde

6 Comments

Inphernal9/27/2015, 10:27:49 AM2 votes

There are a couple kinds of junglers

Ganking junglers = very strong early game, get fed from kills and gank lanes often. (Shaco, Vi, Jarvan IV, Lee Sin)

AFK farm junglers = farm early and mid game for a strong late game, usually tanks or devourer junglers (Master Yi, Warwick, Nasus, Cho'Gath)

Bruiser junglers = A combination of the two above, usually strong mid-game teamfighters with frequent ganks followed by short bouts of farming

Tips for your 3 preferred champs:

-Favor a lane if your lane teammate has very strong offensive capabilities since you play CC heavy tanks. -Farm until mid game since your champs are meant for teamfighting -Make your enemies paranoid by ganking a lane twice, and then leave to farm while they're still nervous since you have high mobility but can still go back to farm due to high hp/sustain as well. (don't overstay or else you'll fall behind) -Counter-gank the enemy since your ult alone can change the tide of a teamfight -Use your ult to trap enemy under friendly tower for an almost garenteed kill

Jungling Etiquette:

-Do not tax minions if you get the kill unless you are pushing down tower -Take 1-2 minions for a failed gank if it wasted a lot of your time -Do not take any CS if you fail a normal gank and didn't lose you or your laner a significant amount of health/mana/time -Try to let your laner get the kill if it will snowball their lane/ they are behind 1-2 kills -DO NOT IGNORE FAILING LANES IF THEY CAN GET BACK IN THE GAME WITH THE HELP OF A GANK -Take 1-2 minions if you assist in a successful gank -Do not push a lane if your laner is falling behind or getting ganked a lot -Push laners wave to tower if they are winning/if the enemy is far away UNLESS your teammate is trying to freeze lane

Farming in the jungle:

-Steal enemy camp buffs by smiting them (not killing them with smite, just smiting them when you walk by) -kill enemy large raptor, leaving them to deal with high-damage low-exp small raptors -Back as soon as you have enough money for your lvl 1 machete upgrade -If lanes are going well and enemy isnt counterjungling you then just farm, farm, farm -Watch map for enemy jungler, if they're top then take their bot jungle visa-versa -Ward behind walls in your jungle when taking crucial buffs to avoid an enemy steal

Ganking:

Lane gank: When you sneak into the lane brush from behind your tower (avoiding enemy minion vision) and attack once your enemy over-extends.

Diving: Either tanking enough tower shots for your laner to kill their opponent or killing an enemy while they think they are safe to recall at low HP under tower.

Counter-ganking: Predicting or spotting an upcoming enemy gank, and then laying in wait for the enemy jungler to "surprise" your laner. PING IF ENEMY IS IN YOUR JUNGLE, THIS IS ALMOST A 100% KILL WITH TEAMMATE HELP.

Counter-jungling: Warding an enemy buff and waiting until they are at low health and killing the enemy jungler/taking their buff. If the enemy is a jungler that starts at red buff (Lee Sin, Kha Zix, Rengar, etc) then use this knowledge to steal their blue buff or other unattended jungle camps. At around the ~7:20 minute mark, sometimes the enemy mid laner will go to recieve a blue buff from their jungler, this is a very good time to steal the buff as well as usually pick up a kill on the enemy jungle as they will likely hve been tanking the blue buff while waiting for their mid laner. Killing enemy junglers who attempt to solo dragon at early levels is usually some free gold as well although uncommon.

A lot of the uncertainty you face about when to gank and when to farm is due to lack of game knowledge. You need to know when to push lanes, when to take objectives, which lanes are losing/winning, how to keep track of the enemy jungler, how easy a lane will be to gank, when ganking will result in a kill, map awareness, when ganks aren't worth it, and be comfortable and familiar enough with your farming routes to go back to farming and counterjungling like a second nature after pulling off a quick gank or shove. After you have a basic understanding of the jungle meta-game then you can start focusing on more advanced skills like level 2 ganks, level 1 steals, getting specific lanes fed, sneaky gank routes, alternate jungle routes, controlling and zoning objectives, counterwarding

ltmetal9/27/2015, 11:14:07 PM2 votes

These are the "jobs" that you have as a jungler:

  1. Increase the Gold and XP available to your team by securing jungle farm.
  2. Provide map pressure and lane presence by ganking overextended lanes.
  3. Secure epic monster buffs with wards and Smite.
  4. Ward the entrances each team's jungle to locate the enemy jungler and undermine their efforts to pressure your own lanes.
Angry Monster9/27/2015, 9:34:26 AM1 votes

Keeping up with a solo laner can be ... well difficult

Yes you are going to behind that much unless you find ways of eating lane farm. The problem of taking lane farm is that everyone knows where you are at that point and you are no longer a hidden threat. Enemy laners will be able to push harder cause they will be safer.

I have really noticed laners dislike it when I take minions after a gank ( even though thats what im supposed to do ) so I usually leave after 2-4 minions.

So as a jungle i rarely minions tax; Yes i know every steaming jungler says tax every gank, I think they are wrong. Certain thing have to happen for me to tax 1) the laner is not going to stay. 2) i am going to base and need that extra bit of gold. 3) Pushing minions under tower 4) nearby camps are all dead and I am not going to be basing.

A really good jungler will understand lane/minion movement better than a laner. You have to know if the wave is going to push into or away, how to setup a freeze for when the laner gets back and how to correctly bounce the wave off the enemy tower. Most diamond level jungler fuck this shit up and just eat all the empty farm without understanding the correct minion movement. They just see it as wasted EXP/ gold. You can do so much more than just eat a lane.

I also am not sure when a good time to rush to lvl 4 or just go for the lvl 3 gank is.

to vague of a question and a mixture of what champ you are playing with how the lanes are working. Also being red side verus blu side can effect what you are doing also. Trail and error is your best freidn here and try to limit the amount of junglers you are playing til you can get the feel of it. To many competing style is just going to confuse you when you are starting.

One final note. Not sure if its important but the 3 main jg I like and have the most success are shyv, gragas and sej

Well this is important but hard to even use in a pure theoretical sense. Shy wants to power farm to devour so only gank if you are sure of the kill(which is hard). Grag and sej can gank way earlier and use it as a pressure tool. Sej and grag fall of pretty in the late game and become did i use my ult correctly Yes we win, no i cost us the game. Try to not let the game get that late.

Inada9/27/2015, 9:49:50 AM1 votes

Thanks guys. SuchSwagSuchweed the video was very helpful on pathing. Plus I love watching pants are dragon vids so ty for the link. Angry Monster thank you. These tips are very helpful incite to some of the more vague points of jging thats hard to understand for a beginner. Hope to get more as these have been very helpful. Again thank you.

Inada9/27/2015, 11:27:05 AM1 votes

IronSolariLeona thank you. These are very helpful and in depth tips that will give me a lot to think about.