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Any help from a Draven main?

InconsequentiaI·7/8/2015, 5:30:14 PM·1 votes·1,919 views

Greetings!

Recently I've started maining Draven, and I've played like 40 games as Draven already - yet I am not doing very well.

The first thing is; that I'm not very sure when to engage and when to not. I've seen some Draven go all in at lv. 1, but when I try that, I usually end up getting buttfckd - sometimes because I tank much DMG from minions (How do I prevent that?). So when is safe to go all in or trade?

Second thing: I'm very vulnerable to ganks, because my map-awareness is terrible. I am working on it, but just forget to focus on the map while playing. So how do I improve that?

Lastly: My team work usually isn't good with my support, like; he doesn't go when I do, and when he finally does, it feels like I'm fighting two oppenents alone. Maybe it is because I'm low level, so maybe they don't know what they're doing, but I am afraid that it'll happen in the future as well. How do you make a good synergy with your supports (if you're soloQ'ing). I know a good support can carry a good carry, but is it possible vice versa?

Any other tips?

12 Comments

Simpumba7/8/2015, 5:50:48 PM1 votes

First thing is; Never go in as draven at level 1. You don't do great damage until your Q is atleast level 2. I personally play somewhat safe until I get bf. I will usually by then have 100-300stacks and try to kill someone, I recommend only going in if you have 2 axes available, because if you don't catch one you will still be able to do great damage. Also if your tanking a lot of damage from minions, try not to stand so close to the little soldiers as you try to poke, because there's no need to poke and be in the middle of their minion wave.

Second thing; As you should be, unfortunately your only escape as draven is a movementspeed boost. Map awareness is something that takes a lot of time to get used to as a somewhat new player, I recommend trying to look at the map ever 15-30seconds, as you do this you will eventually get into the mindset of having map awareness.

Lasty; Sadly as the adc you can't actually carry your support, the support is basically your best friend, your lover. Try telling him/her when you want to go in, whether you want to be aggressive or passive. (not intended to sound weird...) If you don't tell the support whether you want to be aggressive or passive, he/she won't know what your playstyle is, leading to some miscommunication or mistakes.

Final: If you need anymore help just let me know, I've played draven ever since release, I'd be happy to play some normals with you and help you improve. =)

Morgy Morgy7/8/2015, 5:59:03 PM1 votes

Contrary to what people say, you arent some op fuck that 2-hits carries. Play safe until you get your bf sword, then you outdamage them no matter what.

RyukLikesApples7/8/2015, 6:41:08 PM1 votes

Hey there, just gonna drop a few comments about minion aggro.

If you autoattack any champion nearby to the minions, their AI immediately re-prioritizes you instead of other minions, so that's why fighting in a big enemy wave is a bad idea (note that using skills like Stand Aside or even your ultimate on enemy champs won't make them redirect attention). Draven can safely chunk enemies by winding up an axe, using Blood Rush and getting off one quick empowered autoattack on an enemy, then running back to prevent harass. This is a quick and easy strategy that minimizes reprisal from both enemy creeps and champs (if you get out of the area for long enough minions will quickly lose interest in you).

Raivica7/8/2015, 6:44:07 PM1 votes

I can play some games as your support if you want. I've played a LOT of support (got a slow computer, can't call roles) so I think I'm pretty good at it, for my elo at least.

Roaranor7/9/2015, 2:14:58 PM1 votes

I'm an ADC main that can play Draven well enough to carry if that's close enough?

Laning phase: A little background context, this used to be hella broken back when he had his damage passive. When they replaced it with a gold generating passive, people actually had to think about what they did. Sad day, I know. So Draven has two major power spikes. Level 2, and again when you get BF sword. Level two is because you can take E second; Q-> E->Q and the E prevents them from meaningfully retaliating. If you're soaking up minion aggro in excess then that means one of two things. 1) You're going too ham to harass or 2) you're trading for too long (closer to skirmishing). You rarely want to sacrifice farm for harass. Stay within your minion wave and auto them in between your csing when they're trying to get theirs. Double axes Draven always wins trades, short trades to be exact. If you get two Qs off, and they get two autos off. You're going to come out on top in terms of damage. Don't stay for the rest of their spell rotations. Drop their hp bars, back off to farming, and repeat until they're either forced out of lane or you can kill them (with your support). Don't ever try to initiate an all-in. If you have a support like Leona, let her lead and make use of her passive procs for dmg. Once you get your BF sword, you can look to all-in but play it smart and don't just force it through a bad engage.

Post laning: This is pretty much standard ADC stuff. Stay in the back lines and don't overextend. Just kill people as they come to you. If you can get a high priority target without putting yourself in imminent danger, go for it. Otherwise, it doesn't matter who you're hitting as long as your outputting dmg from relative safety (You're going to do large amounts of damage, even to tanks). Look to pick up double axes before team fights start, whether off a minion wave, nearby jungle creep, scuttle crab, etc. You can sustain it even longer if you just refreshed it with a catch and have the Q off cd (because then you can activate Q when its almost gone to refresh it). I play greed axes and build mostly AD, but the norm is typical AD stuff. IE->PD->BT->LW, etc etc. Build according to what you need. If you can catch your axes in team fights, sweet. If not, just use regular autos until one comes back up.

General tips:

  • Do NOT overextend just to catch an axe. It will never be worth it, and will get you killed or massively out-traded most of the time.
  • You can, to an extent, control where your axes land by the direction you move between the time you threw it and the time it hit them. So if you throw it and move backward, the axes will land behind you.
  • The ideal time to W is right after you catch your axe, so that you can catch up to the target. For the reason, you want to start a little closer to your target than a normal ADC (the movespeed boost can only cover so much)
  • If you have your E up when you get ganked and the jungler is coming from behind, use it on him. If he's coming from the side, use it on your enemy laners. 2 out of 3 is disrupted is ideal, otherwise the highest priority target.
  • As said above, don't force extended trades unless you know you have the damage and mechanics to destroy them. Just force them to eat your axes in short trades until they're too low to do anything and can get zoned.
  • Your ult is an execute, use it as such. If you start the fight with your ult, and they end up surviving/running. Guess what you're going to snipe them with? Nothing because you already ulted for cheese damage when you could've used your Q damage to win. The only exception to this is a perfectly lined up enemy team at the beginning of the team fight (even then its pretty controversial), or if you're not there when a team fight breaks out and need an immediate contribution to give until you get there.
  • To be honest, don't be afraid to buy wards yourself and use them. It makes a huge difference in seeing ganks coming ahead of time when placed in the right spots, and it's next to no cost to someone like you with a consistent gold income from farming. Definitely upgrade your trinket as soon as you can for the mini, recharging sightstone.

In terms of your support: If they don't want to go in, guess what? Don't go in. You don't need your support for short trading, which is how most lanes are won, and what Draven excels at. last hit, pop them with an axe when they go in to last hit, go back to last hitting yourself. It will add up, trust me. When your support does finally decide to go in, your pattern is the same. Q->E->W to catch up->Q->W->Q until the skirmish is over or until they're too far away to continue.

Hope this helps.

EDIT: I can probably snag one of my friend's EUNE accounts for a couple games, or just make one myself and use whatever's on free week.