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Why I think games are lost & how to fix it.

ZinthosOD··10 votes·7,311 views

Hey everyone!

Today I would like to talk to you about the main reason why people lose games in LoL. You have always heard the old saying "A team is only as good as it's weakest member." But what most people don't understand is "The weakest player is only as strong as his/hers team." A team loses mostly because of their inability to work together and their toxicity.

It is always easy to blame the 1/12/0 top that got destroyed in lane, but what about this. Have you ever stopped to ask why they might be doing so poorly, or do you just say oh they suck, so they should never play ever again? There are quite a few reason why someone may be doing really bad in lane. Lane match up, inexperience, and mentality are the three major reasons why someone may be having a bad laning phase. Here is the thing about this. All of these problems can be fixed and the game CAN be won. Even if you lose that game, maybe that players next game will be a win!

Lets talk about the role of the jungler for just a minute. To many people the jungler is the person who goes around farming monsters, gaining buffs, and killing enemies in lane to get fed. This, however, is only the very basics of a jungler. They have such an important role (as everyone does) in the success of their team. The jungler can push a lane to victory by killing the enemy champion over and over, they can put the other jungler behind by counter jungling, and so many other things. A jungler can also turn a losing lane, into a winning one.

Now lets talk about one way a losing lane can turn into a winning one. Lets say that there is a Heimerdinger vs Xerath mid. This is a mad match for the Heimer (generally speaking). Xerath can one shot his turrets, and bully Heimer very hard. One simple fix to this is the jungler. If the first few minutes of laning is going terrible, the jungler should go mid and help out. What is the ideal situation here is that the jungler jumps into the fight, knocks Xerath's health down so low that the Heimer gets the kill. Doing this three or four times will get the Heimer ahead in gold, items, levels, damage, and everything that he needs to turn his laning phase around (or at least even it up). Most of the time what you see here in normal games and lower level ranked games, is that the team normally gets very toxic to the losing lane and calls them a feeder, saying terrible things about them as a person, and makes them feel terrible, or makes them angry. This is the opposite of what you want to happen. This can turn a losing lane into a lost game. Now something important. IF they do not get the kill, it is okay. If the enemy has to back and gets away, DO NOT RISK GOING AFTER THEM. Them having to back gives the losing person a chance to farm and catch up a little bit.

It is not 100% the sole responsibility for a person to win their lane. If there is something another member of the team can do to help and they do not do it, then it is their fault as well. Now I am not saying that if there is a losing lane it is the junglers fault either. Normally there is at least one winning lane on each team. If the jungler is having to bounce between two lanes because they are both having a hard time in their laning phase, most people thing that the winning lane should go all out and smash their lane as hard as they can to carry the game. This concept is wrong. It is very possible for one person to carry a game, but it almost never actually happens. The winning lane at that point should try to go to the lane closest to them (when it is a good time such as they just killed their enemy laner) and help get them back up the same way as the jungler can by feeding them kills. The winning lane can even team up with the jungler to help make sure the losing laner gets a kill.

Next lets talk about inexperience. Inexperience with a champion or with the lane its self can cause a losing lane. The best thing to do is to give that person tips, tell them when to back up, engage, use a certain skill, what to build and so on. Try to give as much advice as you can. Advice alone can even turn the tides and help them win in lane. While giving them advice, if they are still losing lane, it is good to feed them kills as stated before. Just be sure to tell them what skill to use when you help comes, or ping them, or just do something to let them in on the fact that you are coming to help and that they need to try and get the kill. Inexperience is almost the easiest problem to fix, all you have to do is share information and help them learn what to do.

Mentality is another issue that causes people to lose lanes. This, however, is the hardest problem to fix. After many many many games of toxic people putting them down, losing multiple games, and many other things can cause a player to feel like they can't do well at all no matter what they do. This can cause them to be toxic themselves. To help this person, all of the steps above need to be taken. Help get them fed if they are losing lane, give them advice, and just try to boost their spirits a little by telling them GJ (Good Job) when they do good and things like that. I know it can be aggravating as hell to see someone do something stupid or play really badly, but just try your best to help them out and not put them down or be toxic.

The LoL community needs something to get it out of the toxic pit it has fallen into. Yes it is a very competitive game, but you need to help out your teammates because it is a TEAM game. Also, at the end of the day it is a game. Yelling at someone and telling them they are trash is not going to change anything or make that game result change. This toxicity is mostly taking place in lower level ranked and normal games. If we start spreading this around to everyone. Maybe this will clear up and their won't be so many Toxic Bronze players and then more people can actually climb the ranked ladder they way it was meant to be. If we get start spreading this around to the new players especially, then they will spread it to people they come in contact with and it eventually the community will be a nicer place and more noobie friendly and get more people interested in the game. I know tons of people that stopped playing after the first week just because of the way people treat them and each other.

Just remember. There is always a way to win, even if it looks impossible.

Please feel free to leave comments!

Thanks for reading!

28 Comments

RiotRiot MechaMoose6 votes

It's always good to remember that this is a team game. If someone in lane is having a tough time, coordinate ganks with them to try to help them catch up. Thanks for the insight! :)

ZinthosOD1 votes

Thanks for the comment! :)

It can be tough to figure out how to help someone in the heat of the game sometimes. But if more people become aware of the fact that you have teammate who are their to help, maybe it will become easier and more people will learn how to work together.

God Mode Enabled1 votes

It's always good to remember that this is a team game. If someone in lane is having a tough time, coordinate ganks with them to try to help them catch up. Thanks for the insight! :)

too bad half the time you "coordinate" ganks, your allie backs off leaving you screwed.

On another note, how about a response to the 8k+ view thread about east coast servers? if you guys can respond to stuff like this, why must you constantly ignore serious issues like the east coast servers?

ZinthosOD1 votes

Sometimes that is how it goes. After the gank try talking to them and explain what to do when you go in. Maybe it will help them understand better what they should do.

Maybe the moderator for that specific post category is not able to answer that post just yet. Different members of the riot team can only answer about specific categories based on what branch they work in. I am sure that they will answer it when they have the time or the answer depending on what is keeping them from posting. ^_^

The Smite God1 votes

It's always good to remember that this is a team game. If someone in lane is having a tough time, coordinate ganks with them to try to help them catch up. Thanks for the insight! :)

It doesn't always go well this way to, sometime you will have by example a mid laner who died 2 time in 5 mins to the other mid laner. And sometime after this your mid laner will consistently be under is tower with less then 30% hp and a lot of enemy creep to deal with, in this situation it is really really hard to help your mid laner and as a jungle you will have to work around other lane, counter jungle or objective control.

ZinthosOD1 votes

Well dying 2 times is not exactly ideal, it doesn't put them way too far behind, it is still possible to get them back up to par if you can try to feed them 2 or 3 kills while rotating around the map. As long as they are under tower farming, but not dying it is still possible to get them back to a winning lane.

The Smite God1 votes

Well dying 2 times is not exactly ideal, it doesn't put them way too far behind, it is still possible to get them back up to par if you can try to feed them 2 or 3 kills while rotating around the map. As long as they are under tower farming, but not dying it is still possible to get them back to a winning lane.

Im sorry but you do lack experience there, when this happen as I said early, when your mid laner lose is lane to quickly, and is always under tower with no health in a high plat low diamond game, this lane is done for. At this point you help other lane, counter jungle or try to take objectif like top or bot tower and dragons.

If your 3 lane lose that quickly, then you have to choose one lane and try to snowball it as hard as you can and literally ignore everything else, you'll be picking the lane that is the easiest for you to achieve a successful gank in this situation.

ZinthosOD2 votes

I do not wish to argue with you on this point, but I can tell you from experience that a losing lane can come back and win. I have seen people get 4 deaths early game and then come back to be one of the best players late game just because they get helped. You can watch a pro game on youtube and see this happen all the time where and entire team can be losing their lanes and roles, but come back and stomp the enemy team.

The Smite God1 votes

I do not wish to argue with you on this point, but I can tell you from experience that a losing lane can come back and win. I have seen people get 4 deaths early game and then come back to be one of the best players late game just because they get helped. You can watch a pro game on youtube and see this happen all the time where and entire team can be losing their lanes and roles, but come back and stomp the enemy team.

As a jungle trying to help a lane that lose that hard isn't the optimal choice, that what I've been trying to say to you, even in lower mmr game or normal.

ZinthosOD1 votes

Here is the thing though... 2 or 3 deaths is not that far behind... all you need to do is like 2 or 3 ganks to get them back up. Just do it on your rotation trough the jungle.

EnvyDragon3 votes

This is... pretty optimistic.

You can't tell me you've never had to go bot lane with a suicidal ADC/support before, can you? When your Draven says catching his axes "isn't a priority" unless they land right next to the enemy Vayne and Leona? Or when your Thresh literally can't land a hook to save his life (or yours)?

Or how about when the trouble lane is across the map from you? Or when the trouble "lane" is your jungler? It's easy enough to say that you should be supporting your teammates who have trouble early game, but most of the time you have your own problems to worry about. One game I played, the enemy LeBlanc kept leaving lane to kill our jungle Naut. MIA calls didn't help. Wards didn't help. Naut ended the game 0/8, and iirc LeBlanc ended the game with something like 20 kills because she snowballed early and shut us down. When the problematic ally isn't in range, or they aren't predictably in an area you can watch, there's not much you can do.

I agree that toxicity is a huge problem, and I try to step in and defuse it when I can. But saying that "the team has to step in and help" makes it sound like you've never had to deal with a first-time Orianna feeding a Talon to kingdom come.

ZinthosOD3 votes

Well yes, there are people who do end up feeding, but try to give them advice or tell them to stay as safe under tower as possible and you can come help them. I mean if a lane is too far gone it can be a really hard task. What could happen in the situation you mentioned with LeBlanc is that you could have possibly organized it to where the jungler stays top and duos for a little bit. During that time whenever your lane is pushed (assuming you are the ADC) you could jump up mid and get them a few kill, or even just try to shut them down if you are fed enough and pushing the lane and taking their tower.

I do understand that sometimes, players wont take advice from anyone. At that point you can only help so much. You should try your best to get yourself fed and try to power through it. As you get fed go around and roam. Try to kill an enemy in another lane as much as possible to help get your team going again. You can do that even if they wont listen to you. This could cause them to see that you helping them is a good thing and it may get them to entertain the idea of your advice.

HalcyonDweller4 votes

This is... pretty optimistic.

You can't tell me you've never had to go bot lane with a suicidal ADC/support before, can you? When your Draven says catching his axes "isn't a priority" unless they land right next to the enemy Vayne and Leona? Or when your Thresh literally can't land a hook to save his life (or yours)?

Or how about when the trouble lane is across the map from you? Or when the trouble "lane" is your jungler? It's easy enough to say that you should be supporting your teammates who have trouble early game, but most of the time you have your own problems to worry about. One game I played, the enemy LeBlanc kept leaving lane to kill our jungle Naut. MIA calls didn't help. Wards didn't help. Naut ended the game 0/8, and iirc LeBlanc ended the game with something like 20 kills because she snowballed early and shut us down. When the problematic ally isn't in range, or they aren't predictably in an area you can watch, there's not much you can do.

I agree that toxicity is a huge problem, and I try to step in and defuse it when I can. But saying that "the team has to step in and help" makes it sound like you've never had to deal with a first-time Orianna feeding a Talon to kingdom come.

It may be optimistic, but it is absolutely correct in this: Flaming your teammates for doing badly only degrades your game experience and theirs. It does nothing to help win a game, and it spreads negativity.

Instead of looking for who to blame in a losing match, you should be looking for ways to improve. Even if you lose you can still try to find ways to mitigate the problems in the future; maybe someone could have advised thresh about leading skillshots, or advised Orianna to wait for farm under tower. If they don't listen, or respond toxically, mute them and move on. You can report after the game without having to argue in game. Stooping to their level just makes you look bad.

Plus, even a losing game can be fun. I've lost games horribly but still had some really fun plays, and losing games where both teams banter (in a friendly manner) in all chat are among my favorite games I've ever played, even topping games I've won.

ZinthosOD2 votes

Thank you for the comment and explanation!

Ulric Greatsword3 votes

Some of my favorite games have been ones I've lost, especially when it was me trying out a new champ or build. The important thing is trying your best and being friendly.

ShadowKnight12242 votes

Thanks for the thread, it was well conceived. Hopefully it will get attention and steer people in the right direction. Good job!

ZinthosOD2 votes

Thank you very much!

Nausicäa 1 votes

Hey everyone!

It is always easy to blame the 1/12/0 top that got destroyed in lane, but what about this. Have you ever stopped to ask why they might be doing so poorly, or do you just say oh they suck, so they should never play ever again? There are quite a few reason why someone may be doing really bad in lane. Lane match up, inexperience, and mentality are the three major reasons why someone may be having a bad laning phase. Here is the thing about this. All of these problems can be fixed and the game CAN be won. Even if you lose that game, maybe that players next game will be a win!

  1. If top lane is 1/12 then it is their fault and they are bad. Going 1/12 in laning phase isnt just losing your lane, its flat out feeding. Yes many factors can cause you to lose your lane, but past a certain point you yourself determine how many deaths you have. If you're playing properly you should still be behind but stop dying. If you're losing your lane you should be playing defensively, hugging turret, warding and asking for help. If you do these things you should NEVER EVER have 12 deaths in the laning phase.

  2. If you are inexperienced with a champion or match up or role you should not be playing that champion in ranked. Theres multiple ways of practicing champions in customs, normals, team builder, ARAM ect. There is no excuse for first timing a champion in ranked feeding and saying you're inexperienced.

ZinthosOD2 votes

As for the 1/12 top, I meant that at the end of the game he is like 1/12 but did badly in lane. not just the laning phase was 1/12. Also, even if a person goes 1/12 in laning phase, someone should have helped them before it got to that point. Some champions are such bad match ups that they can get tower dove at level 5. I mean their are things they can do yes, like getting the correct runes and all and their build, but early to mid laning phase those things only help so much. Instead of calling them a feeder, try to tell them what they are doing wrong if they are indeed not under their tower and things like that, but do it in a non toxic sounding way. They will never become a better player if all people do is rage at them.

On another note, this post was made mostly for normal games and lower ranged games. So the inexperience thing happens mostly in normal games. I was not saying that this problem happens all that much in ranked, although it normally does in bronze and silver compared to the other ranks. Also a person could have played 50 games with a champion in normal games and still be inexperienced with them. Some champions can just take forever to learn, but they played 50 games so they may not realize they are bad with them. This wasn't just about first timing.

I hope I helped clear up any misunderstandings.

Nausicäa 1 votes

On another note, this post was made mostly for normal games and lower ranged games. So the inexperience thing happens mostly in normal games. I was not saying that this problem happens all that much in ranked, although it normally does in bronze and silver compared to the other ranks.

Actually it pretty much happens at all ranks. Gold and low Plat isnt much better than silver, players have a better grasp of mechanics but thats about it. They still have poor decision making, dont know how to end games or group for objectives and make the same mistakes.

I cant even begin to list the number of times ive seen players in ranked picking champions when they have stats like 1 - 6 sub 1 KDA's and 10 average deaths.

ZinthosOD2 votes

When when you see these players try talking to them and see if their is a reason they pick them, maybe they are trying to get better, maybe they just enjoy the champion. You could try to politely ask them to practice in normal games so it doesn't mess up other ranked players, or you could offer them tips on how to better use that champion. Or if nothing else, refer them to a YouTuber that has videos on that specific champion that may help. Always remember, however, that if they do not want help or have a bad behavior to you trying to help them just walk away. Don't start a fight over something like that. Try to be as polite to them as possible. People that do poorly normally get flamed at by the community. They are more likely to listen to you if you are nice to them.

E2cLSbcBAb1 votes

Okay I'll post my comment as nice as possible.

Anyways.. This is my opinion on how to win games.

Practice.

There's no such thing as Being stuck in your elo because the team is "toxic" if you think toxicity is such a big thing in league of legends explain why diamonds can get back to diamond? challengers back to challenger.. etc.. Look at blem, Hotshot, or any high elo player that's really toxic. And then think about it.

Toxicity from the TEAM will not make you lose game to the point you cannot climb. You're in bronze because you're not good enough to get out don't blame team being toxic..

Sorry if this is rude but.. You're bronze IV making a guide on how to win games. Just my point. I'm toxic as hell and I deserve chat restrictions I know being toxic is overall bad but it DOES** NOT ** make you lose games.

Savagebobos2 votes

This is very true. Practice. That's like saying Elo Hell exist. If your bad your bad if your good your good and you will rank up no matter what.

ZinthosOD1 votes

This is not directed specifically at ranked. If you were to maybe read it again you will see it is a general guide. Also, I don't play a lot of ranked I play it maybe once or twice a month. Did I say I was the best League player ever? no. I was stating some problems I see and offered a solution. No need for you to go off on a rant about players being bad. Another thing, one player doesn't make a team. The team wins and loses together. One person more often than not can not win the game for you. One person can become fed yes, but they can't take all of the objective and kill all of the other players by themselves. If it was that easy then everyone would be challenger. If you have someone fall behind and no one helps them and only flames them, then your team will most likely lose.

It is a general observation. No where in here did I say that this is the only way to do things. It just makes the game a better place. People that hold too much value in the rank of others really should not play normal games or talk to anyone outside of their rank. Your rank does not define you as a player. Bad match ups do happen, bad teams do happen, it is a fact that we have to live with.

Not once did I say that I was blaming my team for my rank, I don't climb in rank because I hardly play it. I do well in most normal game. I am in a bit of a rut right now, but everyone has those times. If I played more ranked I am sure that my wins will go up and I will climb, but I don't hold that much value in being ranked, so it doesn't matter to me if I am bronze 5 or challenger 1. I play for fun because it is a game. This post is to help TEAMS improve and to help make the game more fun.

I am sorry that it seemed like I was directing this at you or I was saying that I am blaming my team. Anyone of any rank can make a guide based on their experiences. I may know something other bronze players do not. If the guide doesn't apply to you there is no need to post on here saying I should not make a guide based on my rank. Please try to be more respectful of others in the future. No matter what rank they are.

E2cLSbcBAb1 votes

This is not directed specifically at ranked. If you were to maybe read it again you will see it is a general guide. Also, I don't play a lot of ranked I play it maybe once or twice a month. Did I say I was the best League player ever? no. I was stating some problems I see and offered a solution. No need for you to go off on a rant about players being bad. Another thing, one player doesn't make a team. The team wins and loses together. One person more often than not can not win the game for you. One person can become fed yes, but they can't take all of the objective and kill all of the other players by themselves. If it was that easy then everyone would be challenger. If you have someone fall behind and no one helps them and only flames them, then your team will most likely lose.

It is a general observation. No where in here did I say that this is the only way to do things. It just makes the game a better place. People that hold too much value in the rank of others really should not play normal games or talk to anyone outside of their rank. Your rank does not define you as a player. Bad match ups do happen, bad teams do happen, it is a fact that we have to live with.

Not once did I say that I was blaming my team for my rank, I don't climb in rank because I hardly play it. I do well in most normal game. I am in a bit of a rut right now, but everyone has those times. If I played more ranked I am sure that my wins will go up and I will climb, but I don't hold that much value in being ranked, so it doesn't matter to me if I am bronze 5 or challenger 1. I play for fun because it is a game. This post is to help TEAMS improve and to help make the game more fun.

I am sorry that it seemed like I was directing this at you or I was saying that I am blaming my team. Anyone of any rank can make a guide based on their experiences. I may know something other bronze players do not. If the guide doesn't apply to you there is no need to post on here saying I should not make a guide based on my rank. Please try to be more respectful of others in the future. No matter what rank they are.

Okay do you not realize that you're basically saying ranked is about luck? And skill isn't determined by your SOLO q ranked? Explain why any LCS players aren't less then d1? Maybe because it is skill-based and ranking does determine? it's not 100% accuracte but it does give u a brief idea.

Anyways I'm going to say this. Your guide is good but you have to direct it to bronze audience because you're basically saying "how to fix it" as a whole. I'm bad at English idk if this made sense, idk if I read it properly but I love expressing my own opinions

ZinthosOD1 votes

Sir or Madam... I did not say is was all about luck, I said that those factors do exist. I did not say it did not require skill. You don't seem to be reading to deeply into what I am saying. Also, in the post I said about 3 times that this is for normal and lower ranked people.

Jingerbeardman2 votes

Being toxic improves your chances of losing. Will it make you lose automatically no. however what the OP has said is 100% true in how to help your teammates and team win. Yes skill is a huge factor in progression. Practice is also important to progress. What happens when you feel you cant learn any more from normals and go into ranked again. Hopefully you progress some until you hit your next skill plateau. But what happens when you keep getting toxic players in your games. People that think they are better than everyone else and insult the rest when they perform poorly. For some they ignore the twit ranting on about how his epeen is better than everyone else, others listen though and get angry or feel like they dont want such a jerk to win. Thats when a team starts to fail. It can be hard to improve when everyone around you is fighting with each other and refuses to work as a team.

ZinthosOD1 votes

Thank you very much for your help in explaining this! ^_^

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