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Best way to avoid toxicity: Play during school hours!

Maestro80··63 votes·8,103 views

I started playing ranked very late in Season 4, and the placement matches were the worst experience I have had in my year of playing League. I intentionally waited until I had a good 250 wins under my belt before I started playing ranked, but all the people in my placements seemed to be newly minted level 30's. Most of them were also in their placements. Multiple times I had teammate top-laners buying jungle items because they didn't know any better. I also had people intentionally throwing games to tank their placements so they could start in Bronze V. (If any of you decide to do that, please just dodge 10 games in a row and spare the rest of us!) And the afk's.... More than once I had kids afk because their mom was yelling at them to go to bed. One evening I had two brothers afk for 20 minutes because their dad made them take out the trash. I ended up winning 4 out of my 10 placements, which felt like a miracle given some of the teams I had. I swear I practically had PTSD for a while after the experience.

This year, I have been dreading my placements to the point that I considered not even playing ranked this season. Then it occurred to me... I can't do much about people who play badly, but I certainly can reduce the number of toxic/afking children who get off on making the rest of us miserable. How? By playing my placements at a time of day when those kids are in school.

I've played two matches this way. So far, the experience couldn't be more different. The first game was awesome. In champ select, I explained that I was hoping to avoid the kiddies by playing during the day, and somebody else said, "college/adults ftw!" They were a solid team, responded to pings, grouped, etc. Lots of "gj" comments when somebody did something well, and no flaming when somebody screwed up. When the game was over, the enemy team all said "gg" and left promptly... there was none of the salty whining I'm used to seeing in the post-game chat. That implies to me that the other team was pretty non-toxic, too.

The second game was REALLY awesome, starting right from champ select. It went something like this:

Team Captain Me: Aw, too bad, I was hoping to jg as Vi. S'alright, I can do amumu/sej Cap'n: Oh! If you want VI, it's fine with me. Can you pick a champ for me, then we can switch? Me: ....Sure, who do you want? Cap'n: Do you have Nasus? Me: Yup! (I lock in Nasus and we switch) Me: Wow, that was really nice. Thanks for being so flexible! Most people would say "Stfu noob fgt" and I'd just pick another jungler. Cap'n: Lol... np, I just want my teammates to succeed.

At the last comment, I almost fell out of my chair. Once we got into the game, I successfully ganked top and bot a few times. I left mid alone, since he was doing pretty well by himself and the opportunity to gank usually didn't come up when I was close. However, the enemy jungler ganked mid and they got a kill. My mid asked for my help:

Mid: Hey Vi, could I get a gank? Mid: Was doing ok until I got ganked, now I'm struggling a bit. Me: Sure thing, brt Mid: ty (I gank and we get a kill) Mid: gj, ty Me: Top and Bot are doing great so I'll camp for a bit after I get buffs again. Want blue? Mid: sweet

Nowhere was there the usual tired of "OMG noob jg, gg, never ganks" after feeding 3 kills in 5 minutes. Just a polite request, since he was having some trouble in lane after dying and hadn't gotten any help from me yet. As for the rest of the match, everybody grouped well, responded to pings, helped ward, aided me when my jg got invaded, etc. At the end of the match, none of the enemy team complained, and one player even complimented us for our teamwork.

Now, I'm sure that some of this is luck. I'm sure there are plenty of cranky college students and working adults out there who can be as toxic as kiddies. More so, really, since their definition of the ultimate insult probably goes beyond homophobic slurs. My two games may have been better because there were more experienced people on both teams. I understand that Riot is using MMR to influence placements more heavily, and maybe that also influences matchmaking. All I know is my first 10 placement matches were little slices of hell, each and every one. And this time around, both of the games I've played have had awesome people in them on both teams.

I'm fortunate enough that I own and run my own business from home. I don't have a LOT of time to play during the day, but I can certainly send my calls to voicemail long enough to squeeze in a match once in a while. I will certainly be playing my next several placements during the day, and if this wonderful trend continues, that may be the only time of day I play ANY ranked games. Could this be League of Legends' best kept secret to avoiding toxic teammates?

112 Comments

FiniteApple52 votes

Mom: Why aren't you at school?

Me: Avoiding noobs that wish deadly diseases on me.

Rew7114 votes

I had that once. It's shocked me so much, it made me never go back into ranked.

Sirin Gioro21 votes

+1

Well TBH I'm a high school student (no hate :< ), and I can only play at night when all the toxic brats are playing. I usually encounter toxic players with low IQ and EQ at night who spams surrender votes, and it is really frustrating. But when I stay home when everyone is having school, my solo queue teammates are usually friendly/non-toxic. So yeah. Thanks for the friendly reminder, I think I'll stop playing ranked games at night, since it's always a gamble, like if I'm going to get toxic teammates...

EDIT: I came home from school early, at about 11 AM and I've been having a pretty good experience in Solo Q. YES JUST PLAY SOLO QUEUE AT AFTERNOON

Maestro8012 votes

If all the high school kids were as mature as you seem to be, there'd be no need to take special precautions! Happy to hear my post inspired you to try a different approach.

Sypher The Poro4 votes

Not sure whether to feel insulted as a high school kid myself, or whole heartily agree. Also, as someone who is home schooled getting my work done at 12 and then getting to play with the not retards is great fun.

TheRobedNerd3 votes

Yeah homeschooling is the life :)

ItsCalledALance12 votes

I envy the hell out of you for being able to work from home....just saying.

Maestro802 votes

Thanks... It's pretty great most of the time, I gotta say. My wife also works from home (she's a piano teacher) and we have a 2yo little girl, so I get to spend a lot more time with my family than most people. Sometimes there are downsides, such as not being able to escape work, but I wouldn't have it any other way.

My best buddy and I play League together quite a bit and he's now very jealous that I can play during the day and avoid the immature kids.

Pinker 107 votes

You realize that school hours are generally 8-330 right? 5 and a half hours. There are 5 (and a half, if you count newfoundland) time zones in north america. There's maybe 30 minutes in a day if timed perfectly with no school age kids online.

Maestro802 votes

You can extend those hours on either side to account for getting to and back from school.

Spacesuit Spiff2 votes

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You realize that school hours are generally 8-330 right? 5 and a half hours. There are 5 (and a half, if you count newfoundland) time zones in north america. There's maybe 30 minutes in a day if timed perfectly with no school age kids online.

Ok, but I'll settle for having to only deal with 10-20% as many in the bell curve created by the timezones, so the Nirvana Fallacy really doesn't work here.

Khaos012077 votes

8-330 is 7 and 1/2 hours, not 5 1/2

GundayMonday3 votes

His point is still valid though. California's 3 hours behind Michigan where I live. So if you're playing at noon Cali time, the Michigan kids have just gotten out of school. I think that's what Pinker's trying to say.

exiledFromBadmen6 votes

I live in Turkey, it's mid--term atm. And the amount of toxicity in TR server is increased by 250%

You're absolutely right.

xGvPx4 votes

The worst people are usually the pot smokers, who are of any age. The people who go AFK to smoke, AFK to pee, etc. That's the only label I believe in. I've played with students who have treated the game in a mature way, so it's not the students.

Maestro804 votes

Strangely enough, the only people I've had who outright admitted to being stoned or drunk actually kicked ass in game. But they were usually coherent enough to type properly and such. There are probably plenty who were high on something who didn't say so and went afk, I'm sure. I've had people take a break to smoke a cig or poop... that's pretty annoying.

Flemmeth2 votes

Thank you for that, cuz I do like getting stoned to play but I don't AFK to get hoots. I'm actually prepared, all essentials in one room.

2 much sauuuce4 votes

This is my general experience in the middle of the night (2 am to 5 am) but then it starts to become "toxic central" about 6 am. If I play league once I get home from work (post 6 am) I get the most impossibly toxic folks. I'm usually asleep during the typical school hours. I'd love to try that out.

On the other hand, when I was doing ranked before for this last season I was playing at the time between 7 pm and midnight and OH MY! Never repeating that experience again. (I'm on Leona, my ADC last pick Vayne while enemy team first picked Cait. Get's bullied constantly and complains about it. I annoy Cait some and drop her down a bit then go ward. Ward is down in river, enemy jungle is coming to gank, I ping Vayne FIVE times to fall back [and type it in chat], she chases after Cait, dies in 1v3 in less than 2 seconds. Next thing you know "/all GG this leona don't do shat!")

Maestro802 votes

Wow, wouldn't have expected a spike so early in the morning. Might have to do with the time zone a bit. As a teen, I never would have managed to get up before school (or now, work) to play. Guess there are some pretty toxic early birds out there...

RoyaiChaos3 votes

'Some of my worst experiences in League was with adults" who think that everything they do is right because they're older than you.

Maestro803 votes

How would they know they're older than you, if you're not saying or doing something that reveals your age? Since I am 34, I'm usually pretty safe in assuming that I'm one of the oldest players in the game. It's usually kids referring to their parents (just before they DC) that tips me off that they are kids. That, and them calling me a homophobic slur. That is the ultimate insult... if you're a preteen or immature teenager.

I would only start to "pull rank" regarding my age and talk down to kids when they start pulling that kind of crap. These days I just mute the little shits and report them after the game. There's nothing I'm going to accomplish in 20 minutes that their incompetent parents haven't already tried.

RoyaiChaos2 votes

Cause they assume that anyone who does bad is a teenager. And "little shits", so mature.

Maestro803 votes

If they're calling me a faggot or DCing because Mommy caught them staying up past their bedtime, they're little shits who need their computer time revoked. Good riddance.

I've never once seen somebody assume somebody's a kid because they play poorly. Never done it myself... I'm the first to concede that there are a lot of kids who can play rings around me. If you display anything like the attitude you've currently got going on, it's pretty apparent that you're provoking any crap you get from older players.

xXSomeoneElse3 votes

I joined league in early s4 but got to lvl 30 in around mid s4 went right to ranked my first game as lvl 30 was my first placement match and I couldn't agree with your post more, we had feeders, flamers, and spam surrenders. I managed to (barely) win 4 games and got lucky to get placed into Silver V, this season though my work schedule had changed so I really could only play in the morning time and the difference was huge! My team mates were respectful and had common sense they warded pinged called mias (got upset when things didn't go well but never flamed) and I won 6 ot of 10 games but unluckily of me I got placed into Bronze IV and discovered that all the stories about Bronze are true...

Saixos3 votes

You. I've read this thing and your comments on the replies. I like you. Can I give you a virtual cookie?

ReportThisRiven3 votes

Corect! My firs 5 placements were played during the week and went well, 4/1 then this past Sunday I decided to finish out my placements MISTAKE! Every lane feeding before level 3 almost every game, and then "ff @20 plz" I mean wtf my first 2 placements were 55 minute games where we came back and won! There is just no hope in these kids/potatoes. I mean not saying I'm good or deserve high silver/ gold but I was always the only lane that won and went positive every game! Check my match history :/ anyway bronze IV-V here I come now im 4/5!!!! Looking for a duo that is mature and respectable and that can either win lane or at least play from behind and deny enemy kills :D reply to this comment and add me so we can climb back out of hell. Together! lol league schedule is 730-12 est I'm also off Sundays and Wednesday. Main top and jungle but can also adc if I have someone dependable bot :D top always pref in ranked

Maestro802 votes

My condolences. Adding you in game, totally up for some duoQ! I main jungle, but I can support pretty well too. ADC is my worst role, so if we go bot lane it's good to know you've got me covered there.

CheckMyDoubles3 votes

I hate playing with kids. I wish there was a was an adults only queue that required age verification and was limited to players who are 21 and older.

There are plenty of toxic college students too, but playing with kids still in High School is unbearable. I do the same thing and avoid ranked queues during prime time hours specifically because of this.

Weekends are just as bad, especially Sunday.

N00BC8K32 votes

I myself am home during the day (laid off) and i have also noticed that up until later in the afternoon the games are much more friendly. All the toxic "kids" must be at school annoying there teachers getting ready for when they get home.

I'm not Level 30 yet but when i do i'm going to try my placements during school hours. With my luck though all the "Toxic" kids will be calling in sick that day :)

I Main Swain2 votes

While playing during school hours can help some, the toxicity is definitely still there unfortunately. The internet username mask is just too easy to hide behind, for those both old and young. I too had this same thought some time back and implemented the same strategy, noticing a small decrease in toxic behavior, but it wasn't a huge discrepancy.

Mahautsukai2 votes

It could just as likely be toxic any age. The majority of College classes and adult work are also during the day.

Auryiel2 votes

Best kept secret? More like worst kept secret tbh XD

I'm in college and I usually always have at least a day off, so I pretty much only play non-bot/ARAM games during that day My ranked experience is not very extensive (I've only played ranked since S3 and only to get the gold reward, so in total I've played maybe 120-150 ranked games across 2 seasons) but I don't really think I've met a real troll and the flaming is pretty damn uncommon

Fresh Lemonade2 votes

You sir, are one lucky man. Picture the illogical tantrum of a toddler with the language skills of a highschool ESL student with an inflated ego and a broken caps lock and you've got a classic LoL ranked flamer.

Orangesilk2 votes

I wholeheartedly agree but there's nothing I can do about it, office hours are basically school hours and then some.

EverTokki2 votes

I guess playing during approximate exam dates would also be a good idea.

Silverthane2 votes

this is very true. also playing late at night on school days is a good option.

DONT PLAY ON WEEKENDS

ESeTyRC2 votes

I've personally found that 9am - 2pm or so is a good time to play. It's honestly the only time I feel like I'm playing with people that belong in my matches.

Now, I stayed in Silver last season, but even then, the commonly seen pushing without wards, the immature redirection of responsibility, and unwarranted tantrum throwing is scarce.

The toxicity spikes after 2pm (PST) so.. From this, I'd say it's reasonable to deduce that the toxicity is from the school age players.

Would be nice to be able to separate them out. I'd rather wait 5 min for teams that are looking to play as a team and win or lose as a team than deal with the children that delusionally believe they single handedly carry to win and become prophets of doom as soon as things take a poor turn.

Nagirah2 votes

Good point here. Now... how am I supposed to play during this time as I got work too? Better start working during night so I can play league during the day.

SnackieCakes2 votes

I've never understood why major multiplayer games like League or WoW or anything else don't offer queues/servers gated by age (requiring either a credit card or license or w/e).

I'd love to jump into normal (draft, 25+).

GundayMonday2 votes

Charted my win rate against time of day a couple years back and came to the same conclusion. I play at night and early morning for the same reason.

Fresh Lemonade2 votes

I've been doing this ages now, but I keep forgetting and getting locked into playing late at night and not getting anywhere in ranked. One week early last season I decided to only play ranked during the day while on a break from college and I climbed from S1 - P5 in about 8 days.

It's outrageous.

Truly outrageous.

Galewings2 votes

I couldn't agree more with what the op is saying. I'm usually awake at around 7pm to 9am because I work a part time graveyard shift and have most of the week free.

I honestly thought all the stories about the toxicity in this game were being blown way out of proportion. Occasionally, I would have a rager or an afker. Rarely more than once a week however and from the stories I would read one would think this happens every single game. Everyone in my late night games were relatively friendly and actually sought to work together. I learned the horrible truth one day when I had to adjust my sleep schedule for some family duties. I started playing games at around 1 pm (Pacific time) and I have never in my entire league days found so many petty, toxic, rude, impatient and just generally idiotic people in consecutive games. Over and over it was just toxic player after toxic player who would rage in all caps at their support or at the jungler blaming them for their own mistakes (like pushing the enemy too far in without proper warding and getting sweeped by ganks).

It only took a couple of days for me to resolve to never play around these hours ever again. Really, guys. If you ever get a lucky chance to try playing games when the bad kiddies are at sleep or at school, take it. You won't regret it. Your experience with the game will be a lot better and just generally more enjoyable. I'm not saying you'll be completely free of toxicity nor do I want to imply that every student age player is a problem. There's still going to be a chance of finding an idiot in your team regardless of how old they are or what time it is you are playing. But the chances are so much lower that there's going to be problem players and that both teams will have groups of people actually willing to work together.

Unreal11 votes

None of this would be an issue if the game wasn't marketed and geared towards children.

Spacesuit Spiff12 votes

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None of this would be an issue if the game wasn't marketed and geared towards children.

Call of Duty and GTAV want a word with you

Unreal11 votes

True, kids will always consume adult entertainment if it's something that interests them, rated R movies, porn, etc. But, let's be honest the cartoony and somewhat anime/pokimon art style makes the game even more inviting. Along with the cute and cuddly characters like Fizz, Annie and others. Gameplay wise the action is fast and intense and not as nuanced and slow paced as its competitor. Perfect for youngsters with shorter attention spans.

When it comes to competitive games LoL is the only one where I consistently run into kids. On Counter Strike I can count on one hand the amount of times I played with a squeeker (in ranked matches). Everyone uses a mic, so it's easy to tell how old everyone is. Dota seems to have an older following in comparison as well. Not coincidentally both games are slower paced, more methodical and the theme isn't as light.

Not knocking LoL, obviously their approach is ridiculously successful. Just one of those things where you have to take the good with the bad.

TotalJerk3 votes

It's not because of "kid-friendly" aesthetics, it's because League is popular. Kids love to do what everyone else is doing, hence why they are all playing CoD and GTAV. If anything, I find more tolerable children in the "kiddy" looking games because those kids are mature enough to not care if their game has enough tacticool and edgy violence/swearing. The more obnoxious kids love consuming media that looks "adult" to them for the same reason they swear and try to act like badasses online.

Anybody who hates on a game exclusively because of its "cartoony" graphics is usually not someone you want in your community.

YoungFishFillet1 votes

"One evening I had two brothers afk for 20 minutes because their dad made them take out the trash." It took 20 minutes to take out the trash? SMH

Maestro802 votes

I know, right? Did they have to sort through every piece? More likely they had to sit through a lecture about why they shouldn't neglect their chores...

xLegendary Troll1 votes

What if you work during "school hours"?

Maestro802 votes

If you work during school hours, then you have my sympathies! Maybe you should get together and make a ranked team with some friends, so you're guaranteed to get players you can stand.

I have had awesome success since I started playing my ranked games during the day. I was silver in Season 4, but got dumped into Bronze 3 after winning 7/10 of my placements. I have since zoomed throw B3 and skipped B2 and landed in B1 after winning my provisionals. I hope it continues so I can get back to Silver quickly.

Today I was playing during the day and was like, "what happened? Why is everybody so bad and/or just plain rude and nasty today? Then I realized it's President's Day. Most kids are either off for that, or off for the big snow storm that's hitting a lot of the country right now. Fortunately I had decided to just play normals. The difference is very noticeable, though.

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