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Wukong Support? (Why isn't it ever considered?)

Onwodori·4/19/2015, 2:49:38 PM·8 votes·3,187 views

Hey there, Master Fledgling here.

I just posted something about Voli and now one for Wukong!

Long story short -- Wukong become absurdly tanky in the bot lane as a support. Let me show you what I mean.

25 base armor + 5 from Hardiness + 4 x 2 from passive + 4 x 2 from Legendary Guardian + 14 from my rune pages (flat armor blues and reds) = ~60 armor at level 1.

60 armor. That is more than Braum has while using his level 1 'Stand Behind me' I believe.

Now for his MR.

32 base Magic Resistance + 5 from Resistance + 2 x 2 from passive + 2 x 2 from Legendary Guardian = ~45 magic resistance at level 1.

The biggest issue I can possibly see Wukong having is his lack of CC besides his ult, but his low mana costs allow him to E into the carry, Q them, auto attack once or twice, then leave with W with little consequence, W taking all the minion aggro post combo for you. Additionally, he has a lot of damage, his scalings VERY high, so if he gets a brutalizer somewhere over the course of the game, he is just as effective as if he were a jungle or top lane Wukong.

Alright. I'm done justifying my meta breaking now. Cheers and give it a try IN NORMALS if you have Wukong. If you rock lane a dozen times, go to ranked and help me make this meta.

-MF

Edit: tl;dr Wukong has 60 defense and 45 mr at level 1 in bot lane with my masteries and rune page.

36 Comments

Earthlord Jazz4/19/2015, 4:37:29 PM4 votes

Whenever I'm playing with my friends, they love calling all the other positions so I'm normally left with support.

Lately I've been trying different things in order to entertain me. Support Swain, Anivia, Aatrox, Lissandra...

I'll keep this in my back pocket for next time, thanks I can't wait to try it! :)

Aspynn4/19/2015, 5:06:23 PM4 votes

Voli can legitimately be played as a support. He's just so annoying. Q flip slow and attack until you execute. Every time you go in as voli you get a free kill after level 3 <.< Wukong cannot be played support. (well eh, lemme explain) his only cc is his ult. Supports SHOULD have cc. However, that doesn't mean you can't play wukong as a tank that doesn't farm botlane. Just build black cleaver zekes Harold and full tank and you will actually be giving a lot of utility to your adc, (especially if you add in frozen mallet) Your argument about his poke is valid, he can go in and get free poke with little to no retaliation, however using 3 spells to get a little poke off is not ideal. Why use three skills and half your mana bar for 1 q on the enemy adc when you could play just about every other meta support and do relatively the same damage with 1 spell? I love off meta picks though, and I'm all for weird duos botlane. They honestly tend to do better because the enemy adc is so weirded out that they play badly (or don't know how to react). Just pick someone and have fun! And try not to get reported (build sightstone :D)

ZeroAnarchy4/19/2015, 3:30:22 PM3 votes

No utility, needs gold to be relevant, no CC, pretty useless as support. If I need someone tanky just pick Braum Leona Alistar , sure they are not as tanky as him early levels, but at least they have CC and wil get tankier than him later on. . I would be very surprised if people didn't dodge if they saw crap like this. Not every champion can go support and be good, Wukong is one of them.

Duke Anax4/19/2015, 3:51:29 PM3 votes

Pro Tip: any pick that needs neither Gold nor XP to be an effective support is not actually breaking the meta ...

Wukong with Black Cleaver should destroy any opposing Tank, with the current meta that's quite effective.

Lack of CC is no issue when your partner has enough of that, Jinx for example.

Sypher The Poro4/20/2015, 1:09:31 AM2 votes

Sounds interesting, I personally love the off-meta supports. One of my favorites is Nidalee, you get free wards on W (in a sense), poke on Q, and heal and attack-speed buff on E, and if you build full AP you can still help by one-shotting your enemy carries. I usually pick her when we have an AD mid lander for that extra AP damage.

Another good one is Azir. It's best to build more tanky, but you actually have a ton of peel for your ADC. Poke with soldiers, a slow on Q, knock-up on E, and your ult is a great engage/disengage. Plus, you take out wards from range with the soldiers.

UPfreely4/19/2015, 5:02:58 PM2 votes

I love stuff like this, probably buying him next

Baron of Bread4/19/2015, 9:51:54 PM2 votes

Don't forget your armor shred on that Q, if your enemies don't have armor your ADC does more damage and by extension lifesteals more. It also lets you build Black Cleaver as a justifiable support item with Ravenous Hydra (it has an active, it must be a support item!).

terkmc4/19/2015, 9:47:00 PM2 votes

Let me introduce you to support Xin Zhao. The armor shred, the slow and knock up serves kills on a silver plate up to adc with any kind of burst. His ult get stronger with two people to hit, can seperate adc from support and viceversa, and can peel back an entire team from his adc. His healing on hit + targon keeps both partners healthy through out the lanning phase, ready to all in at moments notice. He can be build tanky with support budget or bruiser with snowballing budget

delonix4/19/2015, 10:33:18 PM2 votes

I'm sure Wukong can work as an aggressive support, but I don't think it's because he has substantially higher armor than other supports. Really what Wu has that other supports don't/can't have is 8 armor and 4 mr from his passive. Braum gets 15 armor and 15 mr from rank 1 Stand Behind Me, and he gives the same bonus to his adc.

AthenasVendetta4/19/2015, 5:59:01 PM2 votes

You took into account the masteries of your champion you are "trying" as support? But not for Braum, leona or others? That is fatal especially for your adc.

I have a few support pages let me explain why.

Okay you went ranked, you are supporting with a Wukong great. I have the choice of the litter for me. Alistar Braum Blitzcrank Nami Morgana Shen Volibear Thresh and my lady Leona.....

Now lets look at my pages. So its double attack damage, nothing bad or surprising pretty easy to defend against.

two of my pages have above a 22 armor in the runes alone. Now if I take lulu with ap masteries I land at 54 armor... Oh snap. if we needed a Massive tank I could use my 0/27/3 masteries called: Come at me Bro with braum or leona I am well over the 70 armor mark.Now the question becomes you can hardly as Leona says: "Leave a dent" what are you going to do while I lock down and whale on your adc?

Nothing.

Know your enemy padawan. For it is their abilities and summoners you should be considering not yours.

aaronconlin4/20/2015, 12:07:07 AM2 votes

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Spacesuit Spiff4/20/2015, 4:33:21 AM1 votes

I ran into this last season, outplayed myself a lot because I was nervous to use my skills on his clone. So there's that.

arcinex4/19/2015, 3:02:12 PM1 votes

Try it and let us know how it bodes.

TheStevenWu5/15/2015, 6:43:00 PM1 votes

I've done this in both normals and ranked. My current rank is high gold (but I don't rank much) and normal MMR is apparently high plat/low diamond (at least that's who i play against).

I've had very good results for the most part, but the reason is different from what you have listed. I go full damage on wukong support. I start with relic shield and 3 pots. I take exhaust. So here's how it goes:

Level 1: We all know the current meta bot is level 2 spike all-in. This is where wukong shines. If you have a wukong support, your all-in spike comes at level 1. Wukong's nimbus strike allows a level 1 all-in. The passive gives him extra tankiness against minions and opponents, and he typically outdamages anyone in a prolonged level 1 fight. At level 1, adc's tend to not have their escapes or kiting abilities while the supports tend to have a weak form of CC. Because of this, my lane usually comes out ahead level 1. Additionally this allows you to hit level 2 first as well.

Level 2: changes depending on how low your opponents are. If my opponents are quite low due to the level 1 all-in, I take decoy as a second ability. Decoy from the bush and nimbus strike guarantees you the kill on the adc. If my opponents are healthy, take crushing blow and waiting for level 3.

Level 3: Use the infamous wukong combo and look for opportunities to poke. Typically if the opponents try to harass you, it gives you more room to fight as your decoy back to safety is of shorter distance.

Level 4 - 5: If you're not ahead in lane at this point (either because your healthier or scored a kill), wukong support will have trouble here. If you are ahead, then it should be the same as level 3.

Level 6: your now have arguably the best CC in the game. Wukong is an off-assassin which means he easily squishy champions (which are all the adc's and half of the support). You can most likely all-in here, especially with a jungle gank, and guarantee a kill.

Keep in mind, just because you're support does not mean you can't take kills. Always go for the kills. It's all good as long you get your ADC ahead. I'd have my support kill everyone if possible if it means I come out ahead in lane.

Once laning phase is over, try to farm areas people have neglected. Do not give up kills to others, if you can take it - take it. You are probably a little behind in build compared to others, but that is okay. A wukong who is behind still have kill potential because because of his off-assassin attributes and his naturally strong base stats on top of enhanced/steroid abilities. He is useful in teamfights and dangerous scenarios because of his ult and decoy. Wukong's mid-game is insanely powerful and allows you a window to catch up into late game.

Swollwonder4/19/2015, 3:04:59 PM1 votes

Ha. Low mana cost. He doesnt have enough base damage on his abilities to make the poke worth it past level 4. Other than that hes just a tank with a knock up that happens to be his ult. So all that armor is pretty moot when they choose not to target you.

MrBuffington4/19/2015, 5:56:37 PM1 votes

You can do anything you set your mind to, especially in solo q

tbh though I don't see it gaining broad appeal, he's pretty ult reliant if being played as a support; he's somewhat tanky but not as innately tanky as some champions (ie. Leona, Alistar, Maokai). You can probably cheese people pretty well in lane, but I feel like he falls off pretty hard unless he gets gold/exp, which isn't really what you want in a support. Unless you're doing some sort of niche strategy (full AD team w/ Wukong BC ult shred), I don't see a reason not to pick another support, since he's kind of dependent on getting items in my experience, and even then, there are still probably better options.

Valhalla Rising4/19/2015, 6:25:17 PM1 votes

wukong has no shield or heals, no ranged poke, no cc/peel without using ult, and is not tanky(graves has pertty much the same passive, but he's no tank)

is the strat to hope you don't get poked out of lane until your jg comes to carry you?

Ryvaku4/19/2015, 7:47:22 PM1 votes

Well for those that prefer range. I recommend Kennen support.

Drukyul4/19/2015, 8:07:33 PM1 votes

lack of CC besides his ult

so, the one thing you kinda need as a support

Candel4/19/2015, 10:28:48 PM1 votes

A melee support with no CC until level 6? I think that would be the problem right there.

The Bíg Ticket4/19/2015, 10:31:40 PM1 votes

In what division do you expect that to work? Don't think think you will have success with that in any elo above low silver.

Sirsir4/19/2015, 10:33:22 PM1 votes

Not a support. A kill lane, just like any other bruiser bot lane.

3ofGot40ve4/20/2015, 12:33:46 AM1 votes

The main reason for this is probably simply because his only cc option is his ult. Other people like leona are CC Beasts and have a hook. It all revolves around Meta. I guess i could see it happening if you got frozen mallet but..

Onwodori4/20/2015, 2:34:06 AM1 votes

Hello friends. Wukong Support accidentally happened in ranked today.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1799983685/218800766

The result.