advice on a losing streak? (WARNING: LONG, NO TLDR)

Provengreil·4/6/2015, 10:21:03 PM·1 votes·701 views

So it's a thread we've all seen before. Of the last 15 ranked games I played, 3 wins, 11 losses, and 1 loss with AFK. Ironically, it was the loss with the AFK that bothered me least: my team accepted from minute 2 that it was an unlikely win at best, and the opposing team were real classy about it too; they took the win, sure, but weren't rude about it and all of us generally had some fun.

Here's the issue: I've read the previous threads. You know, don't play on tilt. Take breaks. Find a routine that works. Main a select few champions in one or two positions, you can get at least one of those spots just by asking a good amount of time. Lead your team. Don't throw leads, push objectives.

None of that seems to be working. After two losses in ranked or three games of any result, I'm done for the day, at most. I can really only play well as soon as I get home from work; playing at peak hours gives me an extra 40-220 ping, varying be each second. for the first couple hours, however, it's a steady 88-90. I main support and jungle, thresh/raka for support and naut for jungle, kayle when he's banned or taken. Since I primarily main support, I'll try to lead by, say, calling dragon timer at 2 minutes, then 1:30, then 1 min with a pair of help me pings while I go drop 3 wards, a pink, and a sweeper since no one else is warding.

I really can't seem to identify most of the issues in my play. As support, high CS is typically a bad thing, and in the jungle CS is less of a mechanical thing and more decision making. my kill participation is high, and the vast majority (though admittedly not all) of my deaths come after 20 minutes, when the enemy team has functionally won but are having issues closing properly, just killing us all over and over. So I'm not feeding in lanes most games. As support, or jungle naut, I have minimal splitpush ability, so that's not really an option. Most games I have highest or second highest kill participation, and am often second/winning at the same time for lowest deaths.

As for leadership....I really don't know how to get people to care what I'm saying. because of my follow through (see above) people follow me on dragons much of the time, but 2 warning pings and "Jarvan they'll collapse you, leave their wolves and get out" typically results in 10 seconds followed by "An ally has been slain". Seeing their team pick vlad and volibear, I told my team we'd probably need %HP damage and recommended ruined king/liandry's. Ruined Kings got built but I think the warwick wanted to do that anyway, but I built liandry's on soraka because our APCs weren't going there and I really felt it necessary.

The one thing I CAN see wrong with my play is that I never seem to be where I'm needed most at a given time midgame, but I also don't see how most of that is really my fault. Enemy waves are more often than not pushing our lanes back, but if I go to clear them, the rest of our team gets engaged. fights often break out at random times and I'm warding up for the dragon, or headed down to help my adc take out their midlaner at bot. My adc will win without me on a sudden engage, my northern jungle will take a 2 for 1 loss and our tower is now being pushed, and I got....nothing. But I don't know how to predict these fights.

As my last point, you knew it was coming, teammates. You'll not above that I did not mention them much. However, I really do feel like I cannot rely on any of them, which is a big issue for a thresh/raka/naut main. Akali jumps in, I silence/hook her, and....nothing. The CC is let to go to its full extent and she'll just pick up where she left off on my ADC. A lucian will stray too close to graves, take a buckshot, and dash backwards, essentially taking damage and losing mana for nothing at all. people will chase kills all around me map, ignore the warnings, get killed, and ask me why I didn't ult. I'll go drop a ward in front of dragon, only to come back and see my ADC solo diving their bot lane. Lanterns are pathologically clicked at any cost UNTIL I'm trying to bail them out, then they flash past it.

Does anyone have any tips relating to these specific issues?

3 Comments

ZergReap4/7/2015, 12:13:46 AM1 votes

Don't know what to do mid game: Find the person you trust the most that is having a good game and support them. You don't have to follow them everywhere like a sad puppy, but use your game sense to read when he might get ganked or if he is going in. Use your CC to set up kills for him, ward his lane.

Team mates: Well my friend and I played a lot of duo together bot and we have conflicting play styles. He was insanely aggressive and I was too passive, so we decided if he says go in or engages I commit no matter what. It really surprised me many times I thought we would lose for sure, but won. My point is sometimes you have to trust your team and go in. Whether or not it is straight suicide or may be a good outcome is up to you to decide. Not much you can do about your teams decisions besides ping and hope they learn.

Don't be afraid to die in team fights. You will most likely not be focused, but you can position so that they might want to focus you. If you don't die instantly it could be an easy win. I don't know what you main on support, but try hard engage like Annie/Leona. Start the fight by flash ulting late game. the Akali won't be jumping on your adc instantly and if your team is in position it could be a 1 for 5.

Just a few thoughts I can't help much with support.

Big Hans4/7/2015, 11:38:35 AM1 votes

Playing low damage utility supports is probably not the best way to have the strongest impact on the game. Ultimately someone has to be there to pump out the damage. A good support might be the most critical part of high level play beause there will always be damage available when you set up a good situation. However in lower tier play I think the only way to carry yourself higher is playing high damage high threat champions. This can also be a support. Lux or Annie works great. It is very common that a support in that situation ends up with the highest amount of damage.

Tyren4/8/2015, 3:11:16 PM1 votes

Thresh only works well with a team that can utilize your hooks and lanterns. I also take Naut in the support role, I've had pretty good success him in both jungle and support.

Blitz can do some serious damage with hook, knock up, and ult.

Annie is really good if your team already has tanks.

Sona is a really easy support to use. Harass with Q, heal with W, and movement speed buff with E. Her ult is a pretty good AoE stun that deals some pretty good damage.

I haven't played Lulu, I'm saving enough IP for her. I've seen her so really well fairly consistently. A good Lulu is a nightmare to deal with.

I don't play ranked much, but I love the support role.