Need a little help, Bronze V

Rossonious·12/27/2014, 1:56:15 PM·1 votes·3,842 views

I'm trash tier, if anybody generous who has some free time reads this and could possibly check some of my stats I'd appreciate a little advice. I seem to be awful at everything but maybe I don't know what position/champions I should be prioritizing for myself since I've been playing all positions lately and trying to use multiple champions for the roles.

I know I technically should take a break from ranked but normals are just too boring now. Ranked players are way more competitive and stressed which makes the game a lot more fun.

I've only recently finally gotten good enough with Cass to finally carry some of my games so my huge horrible w/l ration with her is a little bit skewed for when I was first playing her. She was hard to learn.

I want to start slinging Azir but probably should focus a bit on climbing right now hench this plea for personal advice. Thanks guys.

66 Comments

Roaranor12/28/2014, 2:45:45 AM2 votes

My best piece of advice for low elo, since actual teamwork is usually a lost cause, is to focus on your mechanics. Being good with a few champs >>>>>>>> being average with a bunch. That being said, pick 3 roles. "This is my preferred role", "I can do pretty decent here", and "I'm not the best but I don't mind being stuck here". Practice farming, practice positioning, practice analyzing potential fights. I'd have to spectate to go in depth

There are certain champs that a lot of people in your elo don't know how to effectively counter or deal with. Learning one of two pretty well might not be a bad investment (ie viktor lawl)

Rossonious12/27/2014, 7:10:02 PM2 votes

Thanks for the offers to add. After work when I get on ill hit you guys up. I have curse or team speak. Appreciate the advice again and really will pay attention to the less HAM more farm approach to life. I'm never gonna be a vegetarian in this game but I can cut back on the meat if too much is bad for you lol

Borkahn12/27/2014, 2:01:25 PM2 votes

Best I can offer....although I'm only Silver 5, is instead of playing multiple champs in multiple roles, find that role that is yoru niche. Not everyone has to be the adc or apc to carry their respective games. For instance, I tend to gravitate heavily to the tanky initiators such as Nautilus and Maokai and a couple of the supports. Sure one could argue I get "carried" every game because I'm not the one doing the damage, but I'm the one who helped get our adc and apc fed and was able to peel for them effectively. Really just find what you enjoy doing....i.e. bursting down, tanking, dots, etc.

ChexMex12/27/2014, 10:03:15 PM1 votes

This may sound rude, but this is for OP's benefit. if it isn't factual, then please LABEL it as so.

In my opinion, fiddle ww and katarina on the same team is a dream team. In my opinion, a non fed low item adc won't do much for the team. ETC.

Now to the OP, Going ham is fine, actually you NEED to go ham to get better. It's just a matter of when. Don't go ham 1v1 when there's no wards covering your blind spots assuming nobody is there. Don't go ham when you already lost to the guy 1v1 before fair and square. Don't go ham when you're on a champion that has no escapes or ways to correct your mistakes.

Most importantly, don't listen to players who are not diamond +. people are telling you to get back to normals, that doesnt improve you as a player. people are assuming TEAMCOMP is the reason why you lost, this RARELY is the case except for what we see in LCS or OGN.

If you see a competent person like Fdissht who has a logical explanation without subjective views by all means listen to him even if he isn't diamond.

I'm saying listen to diamond+ because they have the most reliable info, any advice they give you is GUARANTEED to be true AT LEAST TO AN EXTENT

Diljic12/27/2014, 10:24:10 PM1 votes

You need to start following all the good practices that people have given you in this thread and prepare for a bit of a slog getting higher up the ladder. You need to realize that you are at your current rank for a reason and no amount of good advice is going to change you overnight. If you keep to it and follow all the suggestions you will start to win more games. Don't lose heart and give up when you don't start winning every game.

Sirin Gioro12/27/2014, 11:01:44 PM1 votes

I'm just a Silver V scrub, so just note that I'm bad too and that my advice might not be useful

I see that your average CS with Cass and Azir is 110. That's an average jungler's CS at late game. Your average cs per game should be at 170~, IMO. Farm more, since it's your main gold source.
CS> Kills; Farm more, it's your main source of gold
Kills are secondary, a passive lane is OK but you should question yourself if you're not harassing the enemy as a lane bully
If you want to carry (AKA increase your chance in winning the game), stomp your lane
When you play support, you should always buy Mikael's crucible, Locket of Iron Solari, Sightstone. Don't ever for the love of god buy Athene's on an AP support... a) Want mana regen? Mikaels Crucible b) Enemy team has fk tons of magic dmg/AoE? Locket of Iron Solari c) Want to scout? Twin shadows (NOT CORE ITEM) d) Enemy team has fk ton of AD? Randuins Omen (Very expensive, don't have to buy) e) More AP in general? Rabadon's Deathcap (Very expensive, no need to buy as core item) f) You have a lot of assist and you think that you won't die anytime soon? Mejai's Soulstealer (Don't buy if your KDA is like 3/2/3; buy if you're like 1/0/15) g) Your team has full AD? Zeke's Herald (JK)
Main a role (or two) and a champion; E.g: Currently I main adc Corki and support Nami, kinda like a one-trick-pony because I can't play other roles
Try and experiment other roles and champion in normals
You don't need to play FOTM (flavor of the month) champion to win, play your favourite/best champion
Get dragon when: a) Enemy mid lane dead and your mid laner has more than half h b) Enemy bot lane dead and both bot laner has at least half hp c) YOU HAVE SMITE (IF YOUR JUNGLER IS NOT HERE PLEASE JUST WARD THE DRAGON) unless you're sure that enemy won't steal it d) Enemy jungler is top lane (So that enemy can't contest)/When you see enemy jungler is top side
Yes, again, buy wards save lives. When I play ADC, and my support is useless (or not), I buy wards sometimes two or three every back unless my slot is full. I buy an average of 7 wards per game, and I ward about 18 times per game.
If you're playing support, after buying sightstone sell ur trinket to buy sweeper. pls
If you're winning your lane hard, try to push your wave to enemy tower and gank other lanes/help them take tower/get dragon

That's about it from my experience.

The Fat Punisher12/27/2014, 11:52:23 PM1 votes

position yourself better and just work on roaming getting fed.

just having a few kills will put enemy morale low enough for you to steamroll thru turrets like a breeze.

ChexMex12/27/2014, 11:53:03 PM1 votes

Botrk isn't garbage on Jinx.. lmfao

You're missing the point of BotRK.. Botrk isn't just about using the active.. The point of botrk is to ensure YOU CAN BUY SOMETHING WHEN YOU BACK. EVERYONE buys sustain on late game hypers because they are useless as a branch early game

Edit 1: You will rarely see high elo jinx/tris/vayne.

you will rarely see jinx/tris/vayne build something other than vamp scepter first back because they NEED the sustain.

Botrk isnt just about getting close to use active Botrk is about the mobility and passive damage it gives against tanks and gap closer champs

TL;DR gold 3 player ignorance

ChexMex12/28/2014, 1:40:36 AM1 votes

Don't try to argue with a gold 3 scrublord. He deserves~~ challenger~~ Challenged

guanimi12/28/2014, 6:11:23 AM1 votes

Practice farming, shoot for 70 at 10 mins. Work on champions that can PUSH and solo carry with taking objectives. Last but not least play mobile champions get ahead and ROAM, ROAM, ROAM. help your team get gold even if its just assists

Rossonious1/4/2015, 1:40:21 PM1 votes

TY everyone, bronze IV + 81 LP already. Climbing steadily in all positions. Honestly, was very insightful and much appreciated.

Rossonious12/27/2014, 8:36:49 PM1 votes

I really do die a lot though. Warding in dumb spots, farming to far out, engaging fed opponents without paying enough attention to if they were fed or not. It really is excessive and can ruin a good game. Dying in team fights happens but getting caught out is obviously something I do too much. I think I take out towers too fast a lot when I'm bot lane too.

Looks like my decisions are too short sighted now I'm thinking about it. I flash for the kill a lot, I hunt people down over objectives, I just need to have a wiser play pattern

MrBuffington12/27/2014, 9:29:58 PM1 votes

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but stay the hell away from Cassiopeia and Azir. For real, they are two of the most difficult and complex champions in the game. I'd say most pros can't even play them at a high level. To borrow lastshadow's analogy, it's like you're playing pokemon, you just beat Brock and now you're trying to catch Mewtwo and fight the Elite Four. I was checking out your opgg, most of your other champion picks are similarly complex (Nami, Elise, Rengar, etc.). The champions that you have even win rates on are Sivir and WW, two simpler champions. I'd say this isn't a coincidence. Sure you might have a few good games on Cassiopeia or Nami, but what's going to gain you elo and ranks is consistency; what gets you better at the game is solid fundamentals. There's no point to spending all your energy wrestling with a difficult champion when there are so many other things in the game that demand your attention. Prioritize objectives, prioritize farm, learn when to trade and harass, learn how to mitigate your own mistakes and capitalize on your opponent's, etc. Watch videos on the game, you'll learn more than just grinding away at solo-q; here are two valuable resources:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeGtVfZD9LVttCJzjIJLY1g

https://www.youtube.com/user/lastshadow9

I can understand if normals are boring for you; I also like ranked more since the games seem more competitive, but if you seriously want to start getting better at the game, you have to start taking it more seriously. I would recommend narrowing down your champion pool and roles, especially to easier champions. If you really want to learn Cassiopeia, fine, but recognize that you need to get your fundamentals and that it's going to be a hell of an uphill battle trying to learn those on Cassiopeia. Again, like trying to beat the Elite Four with a Mewtwo who won't listen to you at all since you only have one gym badge. Sure, Mewtwo is strong, Cassiopeia is strong, but so is like, Veigar (I've never seen a champion delete someone faster than a late game Veigar), and Veigar is a much easier champion to play.

One more thing to note; changing your champion pool won't make you better at the game, heck it might even make you a little worse while you're trying to learn your new champions; what it will do for you is allow you to get better at the game, more so than a complex champion would. These complicated champions are actually hurting your ability to learn and improve at the game.

Best of luck