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[Bronze Advice?] How to encourage team to play right?

Nova Skye·3/5/2015, 4:46:45 PM·3 votes·706 views

I've said this before, a lot. Most people don't really believe me, except those who play with me.

I play SO MUCH BETTER in higher elo games (gold and above), but I can't get out of Bronze 5. I've determined that while I still have a TON to work on (I thrive on higher elo friends shot-calling), I am many times just as hindered (if not more so) by my own team.

I've seen many posts with similar questions, but trying to compose all of the random pieces of information into one place has been difficult.

This is my current play style: ADC: Cait, Jinx, Sivir SUPPORT: Sona, Nami JUNGLE: Sejuani, Warwick MID: Lulu, Sona TOP: Lucian, Jinx, Renekton (depending)

Obviously Mid and Top are my weakest roles, but I'm working on them.

And here is where I'm finding team mates fail me the most, and where I want to learn to either shot-call OR curve attitudes. Please give me your best advice on handling the following constructively:

  1. Warding (haven't we seen this before?)
  • Team mates claim they were "too pre-occupied in lane to ward all game"
  • I get yelled at for leaving lane to ward river/jungle (ADC and Support, because when I'm not supporting, things just aren't getting warded) - this is especially fun when I'm support and the ADC dies becuase they pushed lane while I was off warding after I pinged AND chatted that I was warding so take care... and of course it's still my fault
  • Ward placement is terrible (where it exists)
  • "Support's job is to ward so no one else has to" mentality (again, when I'm not supporting, extremely dark map)
  • Support flamed for a dark map when no one else buys wards
  1. Really REALLY bad initiations/follow ups
  • and of course, I'm flamed at for not following up when the jungle ganks under enemy tower (literally tower diving) while there are two enemy minion waves to my half wave and I'm pushed up under my tower. This is usually where I get yelled at for putting too much emphasis on farming.
  • Jungle/Support initiates when there is no mana/health to be had
  • I set up a kill and no one follows (ADC, Support, Jungle) - this happens so frequently that I've had games where I quit setting up anything and simply cleaned up after, and of course got flamed for not being a team player
  • Poor focus (getting flamed at because sometimes the ONLY thing you can reach as ADC happens to be the front line tank) (or being the only one that actually goes after the ADC and die for your efforts)
  • No one appreciates that I just wanted to make them burn a summoners...
  1. Hot headed team mates
  • Can't take advice as advice, cause if you said something constructive you're obviously trolling
  • Demanding roles in team select as bottom pick and then locking in desired champion anyway/traversing to desired lane (this has happened every day last week and into this week)
  • Team mates counter jungling you (taking all of your camps instead of farming the lane that is pushed to your tower) even after you ask them not to (of course ADC is entitled to red and Mid is entitled to blue after ten minutes of game time - Sej can totally afford to back after every single team fight without blue)
  • 30 minutes into game and team mates start screaming that MIA's weren't called (we've been grouped since the 20 minute mark but they fail to join up)
  1. Objectives
  • No, Dragon is NOT more important than tower
  • No, a Death for a Tower is not worth
  • No, a 20 minute Baron is not a staple
  • When I can't see your lane enemies and I ping for help at Dragon, that does not mean it's safe to B.
  • Dude, pull that Dragon OUT OF THE PIT!

And the biggest problem: Constructive criticism or just shot-calling in general is met with hostility and an immediate "well we're doing the opposite then" response. I cannot even begin to explain this. It is so disheartening when you see what needs to be done but can't do it on your own. Ever tried to take a tower or skuttle bug as support? It doesn't work. I have one friend in particular who believes one of my biggest problems is that I don't assert authority over a match. Thing is, I do - but it is instantly met with resistance. How do you establish authority in shot calling in the nicest, most positive way possible and actually get people to DO THINGS?

9 Comments

Grashnim3/5/2015, 5:03:02 PM2 votes

You can't. First advice: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/1lkw2qrd-how-to-remove-chat-from-game

Second Advice: Learn 1 champion insanely well, jungle could be the best as you can control all lanes if possible. I've found out that helping winners win is better than helping losers be mediocre. That being said, if someone is gonna feed, no matter what you do, it'll be hard to win.

Ultimately, gank the lanes with people who are doing roughly even. Let the shitters sit at tower. In the end, as the jungler, if you lose you'll be blamed by the shitters because you didn't carry only their lane.

Nova Skye3/5/2015, 5:02:45 PM1 votes

Who downvotes a cry for help?

hh the thinker3/5/2015, 5:05:36 PM1 votes

i don't have much time so making this fairly short:

  1. for warding, ask people to upgrade their trinket since it's only 250 and ward where ever. it doesn't really matter where as long as they do, and if they do it's a bonus. most you can expect is you warding.

  2. if people are tower diving, and you can't help, there is nothing to be done about that. you can't control your teammates. also, just ignore the flame. you can mute them even.

  3. don't give advice. people don't like it most of the time unless they ask so no point in giving it. as for teammates counter jungling you, you are a jungler so you should have smite and you also have the buff timers. those buffs are yours and you have the power to take them if you get there in time.

  4. a death for a tower can be very worth, but it also depends on the situation. if the other team is pushing as 5 and your team wins team fights or needs 5, then the death might have been a mistake. a death for a tower is worth it though in general..

Gym Leader Yaki3/6/2015, 12:59:32 PM1 votes

" I play SO MUCH BETTER in higher elo games (gold and above), but I can't get out of Bronze 5."

Your average bronze player.

GummyBearWookiee3/6/2015, 6:36:04 PM1 votes

In Bronze V...people aren't going to listen...they just don't get it. You need to work on yourself...mastering your champs and positions...and play people that can carry games...let's look at your champs.

This is my current play style: ADC: Cait, Jinx, Sivir (Meh...it's ok. Cait and Jinx are both typical hyper like carries. Nothing wrong with them...Sivir is not great because at your ELO people do not understand how to play with your Sivir...aka...take advantage of your ULT etc and she's not good on carrying the game on her own. If you want to replace her in your lineup...I'd recommend Graves). SUPPORT: Sona, Nami (You can carry on Supports...believe me. But that also means you need to pick a support that CAN carry. Sona's out...Nami's ok. Your best carry supports are Morgana, Thresh, and Blitz. People that can lock down or hook an enemy and guarantee a kill) JUNGLE: Sejuani, Warwick (Sej is decent post 6...Warwick...not as much anymore. Your best low ELO junglers are currenty Vi, Wukong, and Fizz. All can carry games, Wukong is amazing in a team fight. Sej is great late game...but you need to be able to get late game on her...she's not a bad option though). MID: Lulu, Sona (Take Sona out...please :). Lulu...so'k...but not overly strong. She's a complex character to a certain degree...so she's harder for lower ELO people to both play as...and play with. She can be fairly safe though...but she's not a carry by any means. Annie and Lux would probably be a bit better). TOP: Lucian, Jinx, Renekton (depending) (Renekton is ok...Lucian/Jinx...no. Especially Jinx. She has no escapes and no ability to counter what you see up top. Jax and Irelia would be much better for you).

You have to carry yourself out of Bronze V...it sucks...sorry. But it's true. Work on your farm...practice, practice, practice. Take all your champs into a custom game and try to get at least 80-90 CS. CS is your savior...especially in low level bronze. CS is gold...gold is items...items are key. Good luck.