To all the players "stuck" in bronze

S2C2Xd9KOy·Aug 17, 2015·30 votes·38,115 views

[if you wanna skip past the bitching, skip past the box]

I hope you're ready to absolutely get your fucking carry pants on. I used to think that getting out of bronze was just a matter of having some skill and a good contribution to the team, maybe providing a tip or two along the way and doing a bit of basic shot calling. I was wrong. After playing a game a few games on my original account, that is in bronze because I used the account to learn the game, I have come to the realization that in order to get out of bronze you have to have absolutely incredible luck, you have to carry harder than you'd think possible, or you simply just don't play ranked.

The first game was okay. Picked Shyv jungle because I was bored, ended up doing pretty poorly 14/10/24 or something, but we ended up winning because of myself getting 7 solo dragons and I think 2 barons and pushing inhibs when my brain dead teammates were trying to fight an obvious lost fight, (then proceeding to bitch at me for not dying with them and actually getting objectives).

The second game wasnt awful, at least not for my time. My bot lane fed but I was playing Azir mid and got some decent kills ended up like 14/4/16 or something, so not too bad. The problem with this game though, is that the enemy team experienced what I was about toe experience the game after. They had a 1/11/0 Akali blaming everyone but themself. A miss fortune who was like 3/10/3 and just an overall feeding team that did nothing but type and complain about each other for being "Toxic". RIP.

The game I just played, that was more cancer then I could ever imagine, was an obvious defeat. Tried to dodge in champ select but I didnt realize that to dodge in ranked there were 2 "are you sure" style prompts, so I didnt get out in time, obviously. My botlane combo of Thresh-KogMaw both decided to take smite. There were absolutely countless times where the enemy jungler would show mid and start heading bot and as much as I pinged and typed, my bot lane just didnt care and died over and over and over again with absolutely no wards. My top lane Zed fed. My Yi jungle thought he was a God.

More feeding from bot lane -

There were multiple very, very obvious roams from mid to bot, and I pinged many, many times and our bot lane still stayed pushed up at half health, still with no vision... just giving some free kills.

Yi didnt care about dragon.

I was like 5/2 to start, they gave me some easy kills on my Azir... but then you guessed it...

-Bot Lane Fed Harder-

The sad part is, this isn't the only time this has happened. This is actually a majority of the games I've played on the account.

Another game we started 4v5 with our afk yasuo running to mid and giving up a free kill to Kat then leaving. I was 9/0 or something in the first 10 minutes on Irelia top. I asked Udyr to build tank because I was fed enough that I could easily build damage and 1v3 because I was so far ahead in every aspect. He ignored me and build devourer, because bronze Udyr's know best. I pushed towers, single handedly won team fights but eventually you can't 1v4 anymore because they become just strong enough to take you out after you kill 2 or 3 of them, then the rest of my team was absolutely braindead and couldn't kill the last 2. They didnt get dragons or barons, no towers, nothing. Finished that game like 21/3/14 or something, a defeat.

This seemed to happen every game when I originally made the account and its even still happening now that Im a much better player than them and can easily get fed, but you really underestimate how hard it is to climb when you get 16 a win and 20 a loss. Im really starting to think its not worth it.

I feel truly awful for the players stuck in bronze who actually maybe deserve like Silver or something, because by staying in bronze it screws their MMR for the reset next season and they're just gonna get stuck there again because for whatever reason people find it entertaining to troll in bronze and they think they're for whatever reason, better than everyone else.

Im not here to complain like a bitch that my original account is gonna be stuck in bronze for a while because I don't care that much, Im only typing out this post to share my experience of what Bronze is actually like and to literally say Sorry to players who are in bronze that actually care about climbing.

If you're hell bent on climbing, Id never recommend this usually, but get a duo partner that you can actually trust. It might make your teammates a little worse, but I mean you were probably gonna get terrible ones anyways.

There needs to be some way to fix bronze and make it an actual division for the players who care. If there were some sort of system that took a players average KDA and paired them with people of a similar average KDA, then the people who go 0/15 could all play together and the players who actually try could play together and potentially climb.

I will receive hate for this Im sure. People will say Im just too trash to carry bronze, but you have to understand that no matter how fed you get, you can't beat 4 other fed people.

Bronze is an absolutely broken division. Its really not fair that if a player is placed in Bronze 1 for example, that they're stuck there. The trolls aren't gonna make it to silver, but that probably means they're holding back the players who actually can climb.

161 Comments

phodiAug 17, 201521 votes

like i suggested all games under diamond 1 should be a coin toss heads=win tails=lose

this saves a lot of time!

CubedJusticeAug 17, 20152 votes

I could go for this. I have more luck than I do skill at league.

PapaGreg21Aug 17, 201512 votes

Why would anybody want to leave bronze?

T RexHasTinyArmsAug 17, 20153 votes

God if only there was a way to keep too many wins from moving you out. It's so much fun, you can play anything you want and do okay.

PapaGreg21Aug 17, 20152 votes

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God if only there was a way to keep too many wins from moving you out. It's so much fun, you can play anything you want and do okay.

The Bronze Family is dysfunctional, gigantic, and often makes bad decisions but we are also a strong family.

DartFeldAug 17, 20154 votes

I got placed in silver 4, so I haven't lived the bronze life yet. But apparently I'm on my way there. I managed to climb/hover in silver 3/2 for quite a while. Now where am I? After about 4 days of playing and practically 0 wins... 0 lp in silver 5.

Yes, Ive had some bad games. I'll aknowledge I need to work on a few things. But so far it seems like my issue is my team making bad baron calls, trying to contest unsafe and unimportant dragons 3v5 (we've already got 4, the enemy has 1) even when I ping/tell them in chat, and they just generally do not having quick enough decision making on how to close out a game, take objectives, or defend properly. The most notable was when I went 10/5/25 as Braum... I was not the most fed on my team, either. That was the unimportant dragon call. They went in, got destroyed, and the enemy closed out the game because we were all dead, then. The last game I played, we were down all three inhibitors and two people were pushing lanes out blindly. No wards in the jungle at all. They'd push up to the enemy tier two turrets without vision, get collapsed on, and be dead for 75 seconds. We were able to defend for a long time, and won the team fights every time at 1 for 3, or 2 for 4. We got the enemy team down by 4 players, so they decide now's the time to rush their base and close it out. What they didn't consider, was that we still had to get through the nexus turrets and vayne was up in less than 20 seconds. Nobody even seemed to notice vayne when she ran out and killed everybody on my team. they just kept trying to hit the full Health nexus while vayne made very short work of everybody 1 by 1 (she'd started picking them off as they were getting the last nexus turret). So here I am sitting at 0 lp in silver 5, with many, many recent losses. And am probably on my way in to bronze.

I think I do fairly well at enabling my carries, seeing as I main supporting. Multiple times, my adc and I will just destroy lane. Why? I'd like to say because it's silver, and I'm able to take advantage of the bad positioning of my lane opponents. Getting grabbed by blitzcrank? Rarely an issue. I play Nami, and try to only leave myself open to grabs (yes, purposely) when their adc is sitting right next to them and we're ahead in terms of health. Why? I have the reflexes to shoot a bubble out as soon as he roots himself for the grab. How is this effective? Their adc is sitting right next to them, and doesn't react in time to get out of the bubble because they're concentrating on trying to kill the recently hooked Nami. So after I'm hooked, and they're both bubbled, I throw my W on their adc which bounces to me and heals me, and then hits blitz. I throw my E on my adc, and they clean up while I'm laughing.

Despite these types of early game advantages my team gets, there's always failure in the late game. And I'm aware that i am also part of the problem. I'll own up to that. It's just frustrating when I tell people that vayne is up, ping her, yet I'm still the only one trying to remove that threat while my team disappears one by one.

If I drop to bronze, I'm done supporting. I'll have to learn to carry hard in another position because I know that no matter how well Im capable of supporting, my adc more than likely won't understand the difference between me making an engage or a disengage and effectively throw every opportunity I give them to either get a kill (or just to survive) out the window.

SoMNiaAug 17, 20151 votes

Well, crap. I'm a Nami main. I had considered trying to play ranked, but when I play normals, I get frustrated with the lack of teamwork and go back to bots. This is not encouraging. XD

DartFeldAug 17, 20153 votes

I see mostly bot games in your history... Do NOT go from bots to ranked. Play lots of normals first. Yes, it's frustrating. Especially when you're just coming from bots. Never mind the teamwork, the enemy actually has intuition and doesn't respond just because it's scripted to react this way or that. On the fly decision making makes for a much different opponent. And that's only in normals. In ranked, your opponents are there to win. They WILL take advantage of any opportunity you give them. Bots don't understand the difference between you harassing and going all in. Real people do. Bots also don't use the jungle. The jungle alone is a very important dynamic you need to understand and get used to (from both teams) before going to ranked.

SoMNiaAug 17, 20151 votes

When the champion mastery thing started, I pretty consistently got S or A ranks in normals as Nami, to the extent that I did play normals. I haven't played enough since then to max my mastery points with her, and I don't play other champions often in normals (or normals often anyway), but I think have a reasonable amount of experience (for a relative beginner) playing against live opponents who react instead of following a script, and I watch pro games for fun. So at the very least, I know what to expect in terms of "real" games versus AI games. In normals, I buy Sightstone and sweeper, and I ward properly and ping MIA and roam and group and all that. I have played jungle, and while I'm not great at it, I understand the concept.

Trouble is, real people DON'T seem to understand the difference between harassing and all-in. I will sometimes see my ADC overextend and go ham when I'm just zoning and poking, and enemies are clearly not in kill range, and there's tons of minion aggro going on, and just UGH, STOP. Go farm, GDI. I'll keep Thresh off of you, Vayne is my bitch for the next 3 levels, and river and tribrush are warded. Just farm. Please. ;_; Oh my god, what are you doing? ~~pings fall back~~ Stand BEHIND the minions while you farm. ~~CCs the bloody minions~~ You're dyi— you're dead. Why? T_T Oh, good, you're back. But Udyr is coming down the river. See, that's why I ward. ~~pings careful~~ Where are you going? Yes, we're winning lane somehow and taking towers is good, but OMFG get back here oh shit. ~~ults and Qs to disengage, but her carry intends to 2v3 and their jungler got fed by mid~~ -ENEMY DOUBLE KILL!- I...I can't...~~cries forever~~

So...yeah, I play a lot of AI games. :/ Thanks for the advice, though. I would definitely want to practice more in normals before I try to get placed.

DartFeldAug 17, 20151 votes

Haha you're right, and you'll run into that sort of thing a lot in ranked, too. It's a gamble wether it will be on your team, the enemy team, or both. It's horribly inconsistent. The point I'm trying to make, though, is that no matter which end of the spectrum you get on your team, they're there to win and will go ham if they think it's right. Some people get tunnel vision and don't even look at the map because they're focused on killing that one guy behind the 2 tanks because they want the kill so badly. I had a Darius throw the game entirely. We were doing okay, we could have held them all of at the nexus 5v5, but he decided to run 1v5 into them halfway down the lane as soon as he spawned. That didn't last long, and we couldn't hold them off 4v5. So we lost. That's just one of many sad stories in my recent binge of losses :P

SoMNiaAug 17, 20151 votes

I'm seeing some people say "don't main support", and I kind of feel that, because climbing means doing better than your division. You have to carry, essentially. It's hard to do that as support, because almost everything you do requires good followup from your team. You can be Best Support NA, and it won't matter if your team can't execute on your plays. So I'm considering trying to pick up mid or jungle, just for the sake of having more global influence and less team reliance. Bard is fun because he roams so well, but oh, jeeze, will people stop picking up my shrines as soon as I drop them?

VekknaAug 17, 20152 votes

You can play champs like Annie Morgana Lulu Zyra Karma MonkeyKing Volibear Lux and be a very relevant damage threat throughout the game.

In my support games climbing out of Bronze, I rushed AP items, bought individual wards as necessary, and just upgraded trinket at level 9. The tank/jungler is a natural fit for a sweeper anyway, so your bases are covered.

As Nami you can absolutely carry if you are able to build AP without feeding. There are also plenty of solid AP items with support-ish effects that will make your poke, healing, and ulti much more threatening. Consider picking up item 3060 item 3116 item 3025 item 3040 item 3285 item 3050 item 3504 or item 3023

All of these items have some built in hp, armor, shield, slows, movement speed, etc to help keep you safe while giving you plenty of CDR, mana, and AP. Full tanky support is only better in a functional team. If you can't count on that, you should be building enough AP to clear waves, finish off low hp enemies, and contribute damage to dragons and barons where 2 or 3 teammates are off chasing into jungle fog.

Linna ExcelAug 17, 20154 votes

The thing about bronze is while there are plenty of opportunities for good players to shine and carry their team, there are just as many opportunites for their teams to drag them under. Generally the better players can carry and get out, but if you are one of those people who are kind of good but aren't exactly the type to carry consistently, you are screwed.

S2C2Xd9KOyAug 18, 20152 votes

I carry fucking hard, like I need a massage after the game lmao. The only issue is that teammates are busy jacking off instead of listening to the 18/2/7 Azir

CosnirakAug 17, 20154 votes

"Stuck in bronze" is very real, no matter how many diamond+ people who sailed through it say otherwise. The key to getting out is to main champions who can carry harder. You can't main tanks and supports and carry your way out of bronze. You can't just win lane and do well and focus on objectives. You have to win the 1v3 fights, solo dragon, and solo the inhibs too. It's not fair, it's not reasonable, but it's how you get out of bronze.

I just got to silver 2 today. 1st game of my promos we had an instalock who pissed off the other guy in his pick rotation with that so the second guy locks in the same role and takes clarity and clairvoyance and they both end up feeding hard and losing us the game. 2nd game mostly normal, not a big deal. 3rd game our support Blitz feeds super hard, our top gives up and we have multiple surrender votes with 3 yeses. I keep trucking, our Yi jg gets sated eventually, our adc gets enough kills with her ult (Jinx), and I keep making sure we actually win the team fights and take objectives. We won while still down 11 kills. Silver 2 is mine and well earned.

Silver is way better than bronze, but yeah you still get idiots and asshats of all sorts. Just gotta shrug off the losses and keep carrying your ass off. That skin from gold will be mine and if you're good enough, carry hard enough, and get just a little lucky, it can be yours too.

SwollwonderAug 18, 20152 votes

Actually most of the games I win are with tanks with engages. No one ever plays them in bronze cause "damages". So I have to usually fill that gap and get the picks and then we win.

CosnirakAug 18, 20152 votes

And yet you're still in bronze... :p Seriously though there are lots of ways to win games in bronze. But that doesn't change the fact that the fastest way out is by playing carries. Not necessarily damage carries, but carries. Some tanks can be carries but I didn't feel like going into detail and making my above post even longer. xD

SaixosAug 17, 20153 votes

The absolute best suggestion that I've heard regarding this is to make the bronze division require being in the top 80% of players to reach. That is, if you lose enough placements that the game ranks you in the bottom 20% or so, you're not placed at all and need to redo placements after a week or two or so.

I agree that it can be incredibly frustrating dealing with uncooperative teammates, when doing my placements I was often matched with 150-200 wins players as someone with over 800, and whether or not it was possible to win depended only whether I'd have a single teammate who didn't do poorly. I can only imagine how much worse it would get in bronze.

EDIT: Oh, and also, put your bitching in quotes.

Like this

That way it's easier to skip past c:

GimileeAug 17, 20153 votes

Hi guys. Im a Bronze 5 for life guy, and I do care about climbing.

My experience in bronze has been quite a journey.

For the first few days, I was in s2. I did alright with slightly above a 50/50 w/l rate, nothing to be proud of, but not bad.

I began to duo with a friend from school, this was about 1 1/2 years ago. He was stuck in bronze and I wanted to help him out.

I began to decline steadily, losing because of AFK, Trolls, ETC.

I pulled out at B2, figured i could get back up real quick.

I was wrong.

Now, 1 year later, I am still stuck in b5.

Let me discuss my phases:

Phase 1: Blamed everything on everyone else. (never toxic though)

Phase 2: After reading from some "pro climbers" Blamed everything on myself.

Phase 3: Learned how to upgrade wards and get cs. (Still a bronze noob so my stats were still horrible in cs and warding.)

Phase 4: Played only Jax, actually won like 80 percent of the time, got to B2 promos. Carried every game. Then i lost promos and idfk wut happened, fell bak all the way.

Phase 4: Tryed to change my attitude to constructive criticism and trusting my teammates.

Phase 5: The pinging phase. Everyone ignored me.

Phase 6: Mid Yi phase: met some guy with a 33/3 w/l with Yi and a 2/55 w/l with Olaf. It was crazy, I think he was a smurf that trolled with olaf and recked with Yi. I studied his ways and went over his items countless times. I began to mid Yi, first in normals, then in ranked. I got to like 15/3 w/l with 2 losses being jg, and I was SUPER happy. I was finally getting out of bronze. Then when i hit b4 every single person on the opposing teams built thornmail cus apparently Faker did some shit like this and recked so ever1 was scared. Fell back to b5.

Phase 7: Now: Steadily getting worse, I just am in a rut and I have accepted my bronze self. My cs suks, my warding suks, Im trying to grasp rotations but I cant cus my teammates dont know wut a group is. Ive seen it all, splitpushing sorakas to supp rengars.

FML. Im always trying to learn new things. I am currently working on rune pages, as I only have 2. Im always ready and eager to accept new ideas. Please help me if you can.

T RexHasTinyArmsAug 17, 20152 votes

Not sure if serious or satire, but I'll try and help out if you're serious.

The biggest thing to climbing out of bronze is to stop worrying about climbing and worry about getting better. Find one or two champs that you really love playing, and focus on learning that champ. At bronze (especially bronze 5) it pretty much doesn't matter what the champ is, you can carry w/ anything from any position. If possible find a champ that can play multiple positions so you can play it more often. For instance if you love adc, playing corki or ez will let you play them as adc mid laners if adc is taken by your pick, and morgana can play mid, top, and support so you can ALWAYS play her unless you are 4th or 5th pick AND no one in the earlier picks grabbed adc or jg.

A youtuber named Huzzy said in one of his recent episodes of an unranked to diamond series, that diamond rank has probably the most one trick pony players per capita of any rank. The reason is that if you "perfectly master" one champ and play it without any errors every game you can, then it's pretty easy to get to diamond. Most people don't come anywhere near playing one champ "perfectly," but the same concept applies at bronze/silver/gold level. If you play a champ you know far better than anyone else in the game knows their champs, you'll probably beat your lane opponent hard, and play team fights and macro strategy decently.

The last thing I will say is that in my experience bronze and low silver are more about adjusting to your team, while above that you start to work with your team. Below about silver 3 people don't tend to listen and coordinate with each other very well, so it's about noticing the patterns of your team and adjusting to exploit them. If you have an adc who wants to push side lanes and not group and keeps getting caught out, it can be really funny to pink ward a bush in the enemy jg if they keep flanking him, and then assassinate the enemy carry when they go to kill yours.

Finally, carrying low elo isn't about winning your lane, but spreading that influence to other lanes and winning more lanes than just your own.

The WhamboozlerAug 20, 20151 votes

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Hi guys. Im a Bronze 5 for life guy, and I do care about climbing.

My experience in bronze has been quite a journey.

For the first few days, I was in s2. I did alright with slightly above a 50/50 w/l rate, nothing to be proud of, but not bad.

I began to duo with a friend from school, this was about 1 1/2 years ago. He was stuck in bronze and I wanted to help him out.

I began to decline steadily, losing because of AFK, Trolls, ETC.

I pulled out at B2, figured i could get back up real quick.

I was wrong.

Now, 1 year later, I am still stuck in b5.

Let me discuss my phases:

Phase 1: Blamed everything on everyone else. (never toxic though)

Phase 2: After reading from some "pro climbers" Blamed everything on myself.

Phase 3: Learned how to upgrade wards and get cs. (Still a bronze noob so my stats were still horrible in cs and warding.)

Phase 4: Played only Jax, actually won like 80 percent of the time, got to B2 promos. Carried every game. Then i lost promos and idfk wut happened, fell bak all the way.

Phase 4: Tryed to change my attitude to constructive criticism and trusting my teammates.

Phase 5: The pinging phase. Everyone ignored me.

Phase 6: Mid Yi phase: met some guy with a 33/3 w/l with Yi and a 2/55 w/l with Olaf. It was crazy, I think he was a smurf that trolled with olaf and recked with Yi. I studied his ways and went over his items countless times. I began to mid Yi, first in normals, then in ranked. I got to like 15/3 w/l with 2 losses being jg, and I was SUPER happy. I was finally getting out of bronze. Then when i hit b4 every single person on the opposing teams built thornmail cus apparently Faker did some shit like this and recked so ever1 was scared. Fell back to b5.

Phase 7: Now: Steadily getting worse, I just am in a rut and I have accepted my bronze self. My cs suks, my warding suks, Im trying to grasp rotations but I cant cus my teammates dont know wut a group is. Ive seen it all, splitpushing sorakas to supp rengars.

FML. Im always trying to learn new things. I am currently working on rune pages, as I only have 2. Im always ready and eager to accept new ideas. Please help me if you can.

If you only have 2 rune pages it sounds like your main issue is just a lack of experience. I placed in Silver when I first did ranked, then plummeted to B5 over the course of that season. I kept playing and learning and buying new champs and runes and re-tried next season to climb out. The change in experience was huge and I managed to get out of bronze that season. I just wasn't ready for ranked before. I'd rushed into it hoping to shoot to gold and get the victorious skin. Since then I've come close to gold twice but never made it before season's end, which I blame on a mix of mediocre skill and not starting to TRY until late in the season when they announce the damned skin you'll get for gold. If you play enough you WILL get out.

You don't even need to do anything special. Play a lot of champs in normals. Find the ones you like and that work for you. Ignore guides and picking fad champs because some pro, streamer or guy you knew picked them. TRY them, but don't say "that guy is challenger with Rengar, so I need to main rengar". No. Try rengar and if he's not a fit, don't force it. Practice the basics, like CSing and avoiding dumb mistakes. Cut back on your number of deaths as much as you can. A champ with no kills and no deaths can do fine if they have good CS. Don't rage. Try to keep your team's morale high. Don't go overboard, of course... but dropping a "gj" or "nice" in chat sometimes works. Hell, you don't even need to pick carries to get out of bronze. The two champs I played the most when I pushed out into silver were Janna and Skarner! (This was before riot gutted Skarner hard, but even then he wasn't really a popular or strong pick). Learn every role and get comfortable with a champion or two for each, even if you always jump to your main if given the chance. You won't always be given that chance. Play every champ you can in normal pvp a few times, if only to learn their strengths and weaknesses first hand. Be a team player, but don't be afraid to mute anyone on your team who is raging, and don't stoop to their level or even argue to defend yourself if you're being attacked. Just mute and play your best. It won't be easy, but you'll get there.

DeynaTaggerungAug 17, 20152 votes

No you can't win 4v1, but you aren't giving your teammates enough credit. If you're willing to help your team get back in the game after they've lost their lane you'd be surprised how many "trash" players step up and do something cool.

S2C2Xd9KOyAug 18, 20151 votes

From what I've seen, thats untrue. Id love to get your teams. If I have 20 kills and we win a team fight, don't go back to farming. listen to me. We have enough time to either push and win (depending on the team) or get an inhib and baron. Bronze players truly don't understand how to let someone carry them or give up that one kill in exchange for an inhib.

DeynaTaggerungAug 18, 20151 votes

Well they are like cats in a field of mice ^.^ also if you have 20 kills then that's part of the problem, that means the rest of your team is underfed and couldn't do much even if they were able too. Having that much gold means that you just need to position flawlessly because every death is 30-60 seconds your team can get pushed around by the enemy.

S2C2Xd9KOyAug 20, 20151 votes

Oh? me getting 20 kills is part of the issue? Sorry next time 3 of the enemies dive me mid ill ask them to wait so I can ask if my adc or top laner would like to come and get the kills. Same thing when they try and 3v1 me in my jungle or bot lane. Ill just politely ask them to wait for my team so they can get fed as well. Its not like I go around stealing kills and laughing at my teammates, those are kills I earn. I could have 13 assists on top of those 20 kills.

Sniper 0Aug 17, 20152 votes

I'm "stuck" in silver. :C

I've learned that if you're gonna climb it's gonna happen eventually. I went on a two day winning streak. Well one of the games was most likely my fault considering how grumpy I was. I had won lane really hard and it was kinda shitty to have the opposing riven still come back against my team. I could have sat in lane and babysat the whole game I guess lol. The prior game we had a yas mid feed before I could make any attempts to roam. He was constantly running solo. Our yi soon began to follow suit. I was relatively calm that game. Probably shouldn't have played the game right after that.

Yas as an example is a champ that needs a team comp around him in order to properly thrive late game. DON'T PLAY HIM in bronze unless you know your team comp is gonna support you. I've made this mistake when I was bronze. Also, just because you're against a counter doesn't mean all is lost. That's just a mentality that you need to get over. Counters are much more crucial in 5's anyways. Yeah sure some champions are hard counters to others. Some champs are super unfun to play against cough morde cough. You can't let yourself tilt just because you're at a disadvantage.

TL;DR It's your fault you're in your elo. Just because the minority of your games are due to teammates doesn't mean you're stuck because of that. You're the one that decides to play on tilt. You're the one that decides to pick a champ that doesn't actually synergize with the team. You're the one playing a champ where you probably can't play them. You're the one that doesn't learn from your mistakes.

Advice: Find a champ you can play well and one that brings a lot to the team. Champs like Jarvan are really good at helping to snowball games. High cc, high zone potential tanks. You're generally lacking tanks in the bronze elo because everyone is out for blood. They wanna take the champ they can "1v5" with that is omg bbq op.

LuggAug 18, 20152 votes

The soft resets at the start of a season are complete bullshit. There is no other way to put it. If you don't belong in tier you are in, you will drop. There is zero reason for Riot to drop anyone at the start of a new season. MMR is what should be reset each season.

S2C2Xd9KOyAug 18, 20152 votes

Like I said in a different reply. Season 5 diamond players will have to do placements against other season 5 diamond players. This is a perfectly fair match, but whats not fair is the team that ends up losing will take a massive hit in where they're placed. Even though they belong in diamond, they may be placed in gold. then in order to get back to diamond, they have to tear through gold/platinum players which will cause the people in their games on the enemy team to obviously lose because they're against a fucking diamond player, and then 4 other people equal to them.

ymırAug 18, 20152 votes

I'm currently in Bronze IV with 6 LP and at this point I don't wanna play ranked anymore. I always do good in normals, and when i'm having a good day in Normal's i do ranked, and lose. I just gave up now. I don't wanna play ranked anymore, because i accepted I suck and at this rate It's only gonna get harder for me to improve.

I'm afraid of getting demoted to Bronze V probably because all of my friends will probably laugh at me.

I've read and watched guides on how to climb, how to make it out of bronze, and etc. but at the end of the day I'm just scared to play ranked, and in all of the guides they say stuff along the lines of "analyze your mistakes." Well, I'm one of those people who cant figure out where they went wrong or what happened.

My friend who was placed in Bronze 1 recently won 2 out of 10 of his placements and i won 0 out of my 10 placements and was placed in Bronze 3. I actually duoed with him during his placements and I actually just think I brought him down. He says hes gonna climb this weekend and I said I could duo with him, but I could tell in his voice that he didn't wanna duo with me.

Last night I thought about climbing with Katarina, and if it is I'm gonna start making a rune page for her.

All I ask for is some help. I know I deserve Bronze atm and I need to improve.

GimileeAug 18, 20152 votes

DUO W MEEEEE

Hi guys. Im a Bronze 5 for life guy, and I do care about climbing.

My experience in bronze has been quite a journey.

For the first few days, I was in s2. I did alright with slightly above a 50/50 w/l rate, nothing to be proud of, but not bad.

I began to duo with a friend from school, this was about 1 1/2 years ago. He was stuck in bronze and I wanted to help him out.

I began to decline steadily, losing because of AFK, Trolls, ETC.

I pulled out at B2, figured i could get back up real quick.

I was wrong.

Now, 1 year later, I am still stuck in b5.

Let me discuss my phases:

Phase 1: Blamed everything on everyone else. (never toxic though)

Phase 2: After reading from some "pro climbers" Blamed everything on myself.

Phase 3: Learned how to upgrade wards and get cs. (Still a bronze noob so my stats were still horrible in cs and warding.)

Phase 4: Played only Jax, actually won like 80 percent of the time, got to B2 promos. Carried every game. Then i lost promos and idfk wut happened, fell bak all the way.

Phase 4: Tryed to change my attitude to constructive criticism and trusting my teammates.

Phase 5: The pinging phase. Everyone ignored me.

FML. Im always trying to learn new things. I am currently working on rune pages, as I only have 2. Im always ready and eager to accept new ideas. Please help me if you can.

ymırAug 18, 20152 votes

You wanna duo? I'm a support main but I can play really any role at decent level.

GimileeAug 18, 20152 votes

DUO W MEEEEE

Hi guys. Im a Bronze 5 for life guy, and I do care about climbing.

My experience in bronze has been quite a journey.

For the first few days, I was in s2. I did alright with slightly above a 50/50 w/l rate, nothing to be proud of, but not bad.

I began to duo with a friend from school, this was about 1 1/2 years ago. He was stuck in bronze and I wanted to help him out.

I began to decline steadily, losing because of AFK, Trolls, ETC.

I pulled out at B2, figured i could get back up real quick.

I was wrong.

Now, 1 year later, I am still stuck in b5.

Let me discuss my phases:

Phase 1: Blamed everything on everyone else. (never toxic though)

Phase 2: After reading from some "pro climbers" Blamed everything on myself.

Phase 3: Learned how to upgrade wards and get cs. (Still a bronze noob so my stats were still horrible in cs and warding.)

Phase 4: Played only Jax, actually won like 80 percent of the time, got to B2 promos. Carried every game. Then i lost promos and idfk wut happened, fell bak all the way.

Phase 4: Tryed to change my attitude to constructive criticism and trusting my teammates.

Phase 5: The pinging phase. Everyone ignored me.

FML. Im always trying to learn new things. I am currently working on rune pages, as I only have 2. Im always ready and eager to accept new ideas. Please help me if you can.

GREAT WAY TO IMPROVE: SILVER VS PLAT MATCHES

SadBoyRhymesAug 17, 20151 votes

The Trick is to switch accounts to LAN, redo placements, get to silver 3 by literally just playing the game, then switch back to NA. My friend did that a couple weeks ago and he was stuck in bronze 5 for like 3 months here.

S2C2Xd9KOyAug 17, 20151 votes

He spent $50 just to redo his placements instead of just waiting and getting reset for free at the end of the season?

SadBoyRhymesAug 17, 20152 votes

It's a soft reset though, you'll still end up being placed in bronze even if you win all 10 games. In LAN though, you can go 20-0-20 without even trying in their bronze division.

Trash MammaIAug 17, 20151 votes

I disagree, I was in bronze when I started ranked last season and found moving into silver to be cake. The people in bronze are somewhat near fresh level 30's that jumped into ranked. If you know even a decent amount of the game you can easily carry simply because you're ahead of the game.

Now SILVER that's some rough shit, i've struggled getting to silver 1-2 range. Personally, I don't care to get higher than gold. I've dodged my promos into gold purposely losing it multiple times just to be sure I hover in the range of 1-2 so I can get myself to gold when I see who gets the victorious skin at the end of the year.

Back on topic though it's honestly not hard in bronze silver was a headache but eventually you begin to learn how to carry because a lot of people are the same in the elo. I play ranked to keep myself in good shape to play a serious match. Once I get that insanely good start I just goof off and try to win but do it having fun. I don't want to be in some lame high elo.

Bronze is rough but Silver is 10x worse. People in bronze don't have the ego like in silver because they know they're the worst of the worst. They don't get cocky (most anyway) it's more so can you get yourself out or not

SerevasAug 17, 20158 votes

You must have had some lucky experiences in bronze, most of the players I encounter claim to be smurfs from <insert division here>, then proceed to feed so hard it's like they're trying to win by killing the enemy team with diabetes or something, but it's your fault for not face checking that obvious bait with him.

Miror BAug 17, 20151 votes

Yeah, I'm a pretty new player (just started in june), and I'm probably going to avoid ranked for the rest of my time in this game. In team builder/draft, I was pretty badass (would use unorthodox things like mid shen, support heimerdinger, and top lane shaco) to great success, and the people in that mode seemed so much nicer/understanding (had opponents actually friend me in those games/give honors as the sets I used made them apparently learn quite a bit). Ranked has been the complete opposite of that experience, to the point of being entirely unbearable. I won 9 of my 10 placement games, and was immediately put in silver-1 (having the same experience I had in team builder in those matches). After that, I lost 26 STRAIGHT GAMES because of people either going entirely afk, people trolling on purpose, or people intentionally feeding due to not understanding the matchups. I can understand how some people might find it rewarding to get out of bronze/silver and move into the other ranks. For me though, it was more of an eye opener onto the other side of the coin and how disastrously immature/bothersome the community can be. Heimerdinger

OhBoyItsaMegamanAug 17, 201514 votes

Your match history tells a completely different story.

It shows that you won 7 out of 10 placement games, not 9 out of 10. It shows that during those placements, your combined KDA was 14/56/76. In 3 of the 4 games where you supported, you did not buy a sightstone or a sweeper.

After that, you did not lose 26 straight games. You had 3 losses, 1 win, 1 loss, 1 win, 9 losses, then 2 wins. Far more losses than wins but clearly not 26 in a row. You do not have afks in all those games; you do not have intentional feeders or trolls. In many of them, you have double digit deaths. In many of them, you have the most deaths on your team. And in many of them, you have less than 4 cs per minute.

If you were mistreated by rude players in ranked, I'm sorry for that. That shouldn't happen, regardless of your performance. But your performance was quite bad. You lost a ton of games and you lost them because you weren't meant to be in Silver yet. There is a hidden rating called your MMR (Matchmaking Rating) that goes up when you win and down when you lose. If you generally do pretty well in Team Builder, it is because your MMR for normal games is low. You lost a lot of games on your way up to 30, and as a result you tend to get matched with other people with the same low MMR. Ranked starts you off at the default MMR so it put you up against players far above your skill level, and your performance since then has been the result of imbalanced matches, NOT because of your feeder team. The fact that you look back at those matches and can't see how you failed in them means that you still have a lot of learning to do.

Ranked is actually the best place to learn, once you reach the MMR where you belong. Compared to normals/TB, you will have more games where all 10 people are around the same skill level, and there will be more people who are honestly trying to win instead of goofing off or experimenting. If you do decide to start working on improving, ranked games are the way to go. Good luck!

MinrogAug 18, 20154 votes

This is the best feedback I've seen in a long time for a new player. Props for describing the guy's gameplay flaws specifically rather than just writing him off.

T RexHasTinyArmsAug 17, 20151 votes

So I may be totally off on this, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing your first account that isn't bronze is low silver maybe? I don't have a smurf in my opinion, but I have a second account from leveling up w/ a friend when they joined the game. I placed both my accounts in bronze at the beginning of the season bc I was pretty bad and out of practice after not playing for 4-6 months. I worked and focused on learning and improving and got this account up to gold V. I was in promos for gold IV once or twice, but started to get burnt out on the champ I was maining so I switched accounts to level up and get end of season rewards while practicing.

The difference I noticed in my skill from when I did placements was huge. I played stuff I am not used to or good at and did okay, not holding my team back but also not carrying. When I switched over to stuff that I played at low gold level I crushed and won like 80-90% of my games. The skill difference of teams at gold V compared to bronze III or bronze II is huge and it was pretty easy to climb. I'm silver II on that account now and my win rate has dropped much closer to like 55-60%. The difference between gold V and silver I/II isn't as big, and sometimes it's just about grinding enough games, or can come down to if you're playing tired/frustrated/otherwise off your game.

That's the thing though, to get to higher levels you have two main options. First, you can play at a level significantly higher than your current division and have a big influence on your games. When I was up for gold IV promos I played a decent amount of gold III and gold II players because winning consistently raised my MMR to play against people who made balanced opponents. The second option is to play a large amount of games and grind out the small advantage you have to prove you're slightly better than your division. To me it sounds like you're having issue w/ the later. You have good mechanics and win lane, but you don't have as strong a map awareness maybe or practice roaming that a high silver/low gold mid lane would be expected to have. As a result you win your lane hard, but don't influence the map and your team as much as a higher elo player likely would, and it takes grinding out lots of games to get games where the teams are matched evenly except for you and you can turn your lead into a win because people got through lane phase w/out your help.

S2C2Xd9KOyAug 18, 20151 votes

Im gold 3 currently. Should honestly be in plat by now but I started playing like an absolute melt and couldn't get into a good state of mind and just lost a bunch of games so I stopped playing ranked for a bit lol.

Everyone commenting seems to think I don't understand how to play, how to carry, how to focus or shotcall etc. I outplay multiple enemies, win lane, help my other lanes get fed. They either get fed and get greedy and just focus kills or they feed and afk. Im basically giving my teams free wins and they just throw them lol. Im just probably giving up on the account honestly I have no reason to be in bronze, shit is cancer.

T RexHasTinyArmsAug 18, 20151 votes

Are you playing Anivia on the alt? Looking at your main account there is a super small number of games played, and your Anivia stats are amazingly different than any others. In bronze people bicker over mid lane, so maybe you aren't playing Anivia on the alt? No offense, but from your stats it looks like Anivia may be the only champ you actually play at gold level, so if you're not playing Anivia much on your alt then that is probably the issue. Your Anivia stats crush anything I can put up in lower gold/high silver, but the rest of your stats look like if you played 100-200 games on only champs not named Anivia, you'd be gold 5 at best.

I think the reason that people are assuming that you're not playing it right is the experience many people have of playing in lower elo after climbing on another account is different from the one you're mentioning. You may be playing different champs or just have a different attitude, or be REALLY unlucky on your streak w/ the teams you're getting, but when the vast majority of gold+ players find climbing out of bronze as easy as putting on pants in the morning, it is natural for people to be cynical about someone that rank complaining about bronze games.

S2C2Xd9KOyAug 18, 20151 votes

I was an Anivia one trick. I play provisionals with her. I hate her though.

Keep in mind btw that my ranked champion stats other than Anivia and Zyra were all like 1 or 2 games each and I clearly didnt perform well in said games. Its because I was just testing which role/champion I wanted to play mostly in ranked. Im actually pretty decent at a lot of champions. My recent match history are all pretty much games where I just fucked around or went for kills because normals are normals and they don't really matter. If I wanna drop really good games, I can. I just havent really cared enough on this account. Its just the fact that I used to main mid, but now I want something new, so Im just playing fill when I shouldn't be, so the results in most of my games aren't ending super well. Im also going to blame boredom. Just not having fun with the game right now, thats the whole reason I went back to the bronze account out of curiosity, which was a mistake. Only lasted a day on that account.

But yes, I look like the trashiest Gold player ever with my current stats :') Once I find a new role I actually find fun, Ill probably just main it and start climbing. Or once i start having fun again.

EDIT: just to elaborate quickly, when I played a lot of those ranked games on like Lucian and Azir, I wasnt comfortable on them at all. It was actually pretty much when I started the account and really didnt have many options, so I just played what I had. Im much better on a lot more champions now though. Back then it was like 3 champions i was actually good at lol.

T RexHasTinyArmsAug 18, 20151 votes

Yeah, I was just trying to point out that while your Anivia is stupid good, if you don't have something you're interested in or really enjoy then it can throw off your game and bronze might be more difficult/frustrating for you than for most gold players who end up climbing from bronze for some reason and doing it on what they feel comfortable on.

When I started on my second account I played some fizz and other assassin stuff and I'm pretty bad at that so it was a legit bronze experience of frustrated players being angry and me not being in the mindset of trusting I can carry. There were even a few games I threw (yes in bronze) bc I went in at the wrong time (bad at assassins like I said). However, when I played heimer (what I was used to in gold) and utility tanks like Maokai and Nunu (my favorite champ style, rather lock someone down than blow them up) I was calm, confident, and crushed. I had never played Maokai before (even in bots) and picked him up in bronze and bc he was a style I'm comfortable w/ I wrecked that game even though I don't lane well enough w/ him to play him consistently in gold yet.

You may have no interest in it, but if you're willing to try an experiment, I think you may find you change your mind about bronze. Play 15 games in bronze (doesn't matter over how many days), but only play stuff you're at least comfortable enough with that you know you'll go even w/ if you play it in gold. At the start of the game mute both your team and the enemies if you're not having fun after the first 5 games. Last, but most importantly, assume your teammates have all recently been given concussions and will struggle to make decisions and react to anything. Adjust accordingly by not relying on them to do anything, backing off when you know they won't follow up w/ you and you may die bc of it, rotating to cover them when you know they will pick a bad fight w/out you and you can clean up some kills and still escape if you go over to it, that sort of thing. Use your team like you would bots that played w/ you and let them be bait, but don't expect much out of them other than that they will draw the attention of the other team. If you want you can even throw in a game or 3 of Anivia, if you lose a single Anivia game in bronze the way you play it, well, then it wasn't you playing Anivia on your gold account :P

S2C2Xd9KOyAug 20, 20151 votes

Nah, i could totally use anivia in bronze and probably win every game, but as I stated, I hate her. She's just super easy to carry with but I dont like her play style. I figured out how to play her just experimenting with champions and I got surprisingly good on her so I knew I was gonna use her for provisionals. Its not that I'm not Gold level with other champions, its just I dont know which champions I want to play so I play like one game with a champion, do poorly and rule them out. Thats why I have decided to take a break from ranked for a bit then kind of just only queue for ranked once I actually want to climb, right now I'm just content playing some normal and fucking around.

On the bronze account I just play Azir, because everyone expects an Azir in a bronze game to be trash, then they get angry when they can't just kill me for free and end up dying a bunch and tilting, its pretty funny. Im just gonna leave the bronze account, wait for the reset, hopefully 10/0 my provisionals on the account and get placed probably at best bronze 3 or 2 then just climb out from there a month or two into the season. I say a month or 2 in because I wanna wait for other players to get back into their normal Elos because if a bronze 5 player gets into bronze 1 by some touch from god, i dont wanna play with them. i wanna wait for them to sink back down to bronze 5 so i dont have to worry about them on my team lol

Most annoying thing about this post is people are reading it as if Im stuck in bronze 5 and are trying to give me tips or saying I dont get out because Im bad. Meanwhile Thats not the point whatsoever.

Sorry about bad grammar and sentence structure btw. Tired, bored. No reason to try.

Edit: Just to credit how much I dont enjoy Anviia, I refunded her after getting to gold 3 because I wanted to try one trick Zyra mid, didnt work out ;p

T RexHasTinyArmsAug 20, 20151 votes

Man, I've never really been able to just pick something up and be reasonably good at it. Only times I've hit gold was by finding a champ or two I love playing and practicing them. I'm really shit at video games in general though, so I'm pretty happy w/ low gold bc it's top quarter or third or something of players, and I'm only ever any good at video games by understanding the strategy and what to do better than my opponents. My reaction time is shit, and I push the wrong buttons too much, but I learn strategy decently. Wish I had something as strong as your Anivia, but if you hate playing it I understand not being willing to do it to climb. I never hit gold season 4 bc I just couldn't find something I liked that was any good in the meta, and kept trying to play meta instead of just learning something way off well enough.

S2C2Xd9KOyAug 20, 20151 votes

Realistically, my Azir, LeBlanc and Zed could all half the stats my Anivia does, but I go too balls to the walls on them lol. I get a lot of Quads with Azir then die to the 5th, lol.

And yeah, I've been playing video games since I was a kid. Need for Speed, eventually to CoD a few years ago. Ive also been playing sports at high level all my life so my hand eye coordination is probably a really big factor in any success I have in gaming.

Just play what you like man.

T RexHasTinyArmsAug 21, 20151 votes

Yeah I was all strategy/Rpg video games growing up and I played a bunch of sports but I've turned out a better coach than I ever was a player and always did best at slow thinking stuff like judo or jujitsu rather than basketball/lacrosse/soccer or whatever I was playing that year, so still have shit reaction times.

Hell even cod and battlefield I am only good at bc I can memorize maps and common player patterns so I do well at killing people as they come around corners to get me. Well that and my brothers are both stupid good at shooters so people are usually more concerned w/ dying to them than dealing with me.

Left Hook LarryAug 18, 20151 votes

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Im gold 3 currently. Should honestly be in plat by now but I started playing like an absolute melt and couldn't get into a good state of mind and just lost a bunch of games so I stopped playing ranked for a bit lol.

Everyone commenting seems to think I don't understand how to play, how to carry, how to focus or shotcall etc. I outplay multiple enemies, win lane, help my other lanes get fed. They either get fed and get greedy and just focus kills or they feed and afk. Im basically giving my teams free wins and they just throw them lol. Im just probably giving up on the account honestly I have no reason to be in bronze, shit is cancer.

That's why you're not going to get out of gold. That mentality

"I should honestly be plat"