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Teach me to be a coward

Pelican Cove··2 votes·1,594 views

No you didn't read that wrong, I'm far too aggressive of a player it seems and the game doesn't seem to favor people with my attitude so i guess i need to learn to simmer down. My biggest issue is as a card and fighting game player, tempo and control mean a lot to me so i ask how do you keep tempo without fighting non-stop because in some cases i.e Riven you will not and cannot it trade your enemy.

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WalkingInACircle2 votes

Understand the game is won by resource control. Laning is about taking over the minion line, not killing the enemy. Midgame is about taking over the jungles with wards, taking out towers and dragons, and maintaining minion line control. By playing around these things you can supress your enemy unless they come to you. If they won't, you get the gold advantage.

StoryDuck1 votes

play Soraka, Janna and Bard. You will learn really quick how to not always being going ham. AP supports in general are a good pick as you become acutely aware of how fragile you are with AP support items.

Pelican Cove1 votes

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play Soraka, Janna and Bard. You will learn really quick how to not always being going ham. AP supports in general are a good pick as you become acutely aware of how fragile you are with AP support items.

And if i don't wanna support haha, Leo and taric got me covered there

The Blue Rajah1 votes

It's not a suggestion because he thinks you'll like playing those characters (since you clearly like being aggressive and those are by definition no aggressive champions), but rather he's saying that if you learn to play those characters, it'll force you to learn how to NOT be aggressive.

Not that I entirely agree with his suggestion. Because mind you, aggressiveness isn't wrong, per se. It's about choosing the correct time. If you go aggressive when you're in an easily ganked position for example, you're likely going to get destroyed. But if you go aggressive when you're opponent is in a poor position, that can potentially win games if you make a good catch.

So it's not really about learning how to be passive, if that's not how you enjoy playing. It's about choosing the right moment to go in. Things to look for are where is the enemy team? Can you see them on your minimap? If you see a chance to be aggressive and you know the other 4 members of the enemy team is on the other side of the map, then go ham, as hard as you can. One of the most important keys to knowing whether or not you can be aggressive is vision. So if you want to be aggressive, buy wards. Upgrade your trinket. You don't have to fear ganks if you can see them coming early enough.

The other big thing to watch out for is global movement abilities the enemy has available. Do they have a shen support with his ult up? Probably not a good idea to tower dive top. Teleport too.

If you can control the vision game, and keep track of enemy global movement, then you can be aggressive to your hearts content. And if you see that they are going to outnumber you or you're in an otherwise vulnerable position, just back off. And ping your team to get an objective on the other side of the map. Aggressive players tend to draw multiple enemies to them. If you can do that and not get punished for it by playing safe and not dying, then you've given your team a numbers advantage on the other side of the map. They should use that to get objectives. It is a team game after all.

ArcticWolf241 votes

play a farm champion like nasus and just farm THEN Go fuck e eryone up

SavingPirateRyan1 votes

I have a similar background and had similar problems when I first started playing. If you're anything like I was your real issue is tunnel visioning so you get ganked and your aggression is off timed and perhaps sloppy. Learning support will help to round you out a bit, but I otherwise wouldn't worry. I'm still an absurdly aggressive player and I'm about to enter Gold V.

TouchpadExpert1 votes

I think you're confusing cowardice with patience and opportunism. Like don't engage someone until a specific ability of theirs is on CD. Wait until they use it and fail at it. Like a Blitz grab or Ezreal's blink or Vladimir's pool. That's when you go ham. Or a more frequent timing on know how to trade comes from simply watching the hp of your own minions. When one gets low the enemy will try to last hit it. While they are taking the moment to attack a minion you should attack them. They won't be able to retaliate right away. Otherwise you can try to last hit their minions and place yourself a safe distance away so that they cannot hit you while you try and last hit.

And the person above me listed support champions, namely the passive ones. Soraka and Janna are extremely passive being a sustain/poke style champion. They have very low kill potential so they just try to win trades and back off ASAP. I guess you can also throw Nami in with Janna and Soraka even though Nami is more of a poke/sustain champion. Braum is in a whole nother style of supports. Braum fits into the sustain/kill catergory along with Alistar and Taric. They're opportunistic killers because they excel at counter engagements. Braum can soak up the damage from poke style laners, Alistar can thwart any gap closers or instant engagers who try and jump his carries and Taric has a never-fail point and click stun and an ultimate that gives a HUGE boost to his stats making him a highly immobile castle. Playing any of these champions means you do a lot of sitting back and waiting on the other guy to make a mistake (Braum, Taric and Alistar) or covering up the mistakes of your own teammates (Janna, Soraka and Nami). But patience plays a key role in playing these champions well.

Pelican Cove1 votes

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I think you're confusing cowardice with patience and opportunism. Like don't engage someone until a specific ability of theirs is on CD. Wait until they use it and fail at it. Like a Blitz grab or Ezreal's blink or Vladimir's pool. That's when you go ham. Or a more frequent timing on know how to trade comes from simply watching the hp of your own minions. When one gets low the enemy will try to last hit it. While they are taking the moment to attack a minion you should attack them. They won't be able to retaliate right away. Otherwise you can try to last hit their minions and place yourself a safe distance away so that they cannot hit you while you try and last hit.

And the person above me listed support champions, namely the passive ones. Soraka and Janna are extremely passive being a sustain/poke style champion. They have very low kill potential so they just try to win trades and back off ASAP. I guess you can also throw Nami in with Janna and Soraka even though Nami is more of a poke/sustain champion. Braum is in a whole nother style of supports. Braum fits into the sustain/kill catergory along with Alistar and Taric. They're opportunistic killers because they excel at counter engagements. Braum can soak up the damage from poke style laners, Alistar can thwart any gap closers or instant engagers who try and jump his carries and Taric has a never-fail point and click stun and an ultimate that gives a HUGE boost to his stats making him a highly immobile castle. Playing any of these champions means you do a lot of sitting back and waiting on the other guy to make a mistake (Braum, Taric and Alistar) or covering up the mistakes of your own teammates (Janna, Soraka and Nami). But patience plays a key role in playing these champions well.

It feels like cowardice because we are letting them take our things with no price. I love champs that give constant punishment, but I'm finding that are not as effective any more. I need a new style. I want to go top not support but all this advice send to say i have to bitch position

TouchpadExpert1 votes

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It feels like cowardice because we are letting them take our things with no price. I love champs that give constant punishment, but I'm finding that are not as effective any more. I need a new style. I want to go top not support but all this advice send to say i have to bitch position

Top lane has champions who favor opportunism and patience. Utility tanks such as Maokai, Galio, Yorick and Nasus come to mind. Nasus you will out scale everyone so its in your best interest to farm up your Q. Yorick will zone them away. If they want CS they will have to trade their health points for some and while he steals some of their health he gains some back because one of his ghosts heals him. Galio doesn't hit very hard but his W (which should be getting maxed) allows him to last so much longer in lane. The enemy will go oom trying to knock you out of lane and you just heal up all the damage they dish out on you. Then call for a gank when they run low on mana or health. And Maokai is just annoying in that everything he does is CC and his ultimate makes him very hard to kill.

Pelican Cove1 votes

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Top lane has champions who favor opportunism and patience. Utility tanks such as Maokai, Galio, Yorick and Nasus come to mind. Nasus you will out scale everyone so its in your best interest to farm up your Q. Yorick will zone them away. If they want CS they will have to trade their health points for some and while he steals some of their health he gains some back because one of his ghosts heals him. Galio doesn't hit very hard but his W (which should be getting maxed) allows him to last so much longer in lane. The enemy will go oom trying to knock you out of lane and you just heal up all the damage they dish out on you. Then call for a gank when they run low on mana or health. And Maokai is just annoying in that everything he does is CC and his ultimate makes him very hard to kill.

Looks like im gonna have to learn Susan...

TouchpadExpert1 votes

I'll also give you a lesson on the 3 styles of laning: Kill, Poke and Sustain. Every champion has 1 style they excel at, 1 style they are mediocre at and one style they are inefficient or incapable of using. And the laning styles function a lot like a game of rock, paper scissors. Sustain beats poke, poke beats kill and kill beats sustain.

The kill style champions are straight forward. They win by killing the other guy. They are flashiest of the three styles and they typically have abilities or passives that incentivize killing the other guy. High damage, sustained damage output and ability resets are clear indicators of a kill laner. Champions like Draven, Darius, Katarina and Kha'zix are prime examples of this play style.

Poke style champions COULD kill you. But that's not their objective. They do deal damage but they often do it from a safe distance where they can burst someone down and quickly get out before the other guy retaliates. They win by making the other guy back before they do, getting kills is just a bonus. These champions are identified by having a long range, burst style damage output and a mobility or crowd control ability. Champions such as Xerath, Caitlyn, Gnar and Nidalee are best used this way.

Sustain style champions are the stalwart immovable champions who just take a beating and carry on about their business. Their objective is to focus on CSing and heal back or mitigate any poke the enemy laner(s) deal. They also have some crowd control or mobility that usually helps them escape trouble should they ever find themselves in it. They win by outlasting the other guy. The other guy will run out of mana or patience before they kill a sustain laner. They are detected by having heals, peels, shields and occasionally mobility. The champions who epitomize the sustain lane play style are Soraka, Warwick, Irelia and Vladimir.

Pelican Cove1 votes

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I'll also give you a lesson on the 3 styles of laning: Kill, Poke and Sustain. Every champion has 1 style they excel at, 1 style they are mediocre at and one style they are inefficient or incapable of using. And the laning styles function a lot like a game of rock, paper scissors. Sustain beats poke, poke beats kill and kill beats sustain.

The kill style champions are straight forward. They win by killing the other guy. They are flashiest of the three styles and they typically have abilities or passives that incentivize killing the other guy. High damage, sustained damage output and ability resets are clear indicators of a kill laner. Champions like Draven, Darius, Katarina and Kha'zix are prime examples of this play style.

Poke style champions COULD kill you. But that's not their objective. They do deal damage but they often do it from a safe distance where they can burst someone down and quickly get out before the other guy retaliates. They win by making the other guy back before they do, getting kills is just a bonus. These champions are identified by having a long range, burst style damage output and a mobility or crowd control ability. Champions such as Xerath, Caitlyn, Gnar and Nidalee are best used this way.

Sustain style champions are the stalwart immovable champions who just take a beating and carry on about their business. Their objective is to focus on CSing and heal back or mitigate any poke the enemy laner(s) deal. They also have some crowd control or mobility that usually helps them escape trouble should they ever find themselves in it. They win by outlasting the other guy. The other guy will run out of mana or patience before they kill a sustain laner. They are detected by having heals, peels, shields and occasionally mobility. The champions who epitomize the sustain lane play style are Soraka, Warwick, Irelia and Vladimir.

Lol Im not that new i know character styles

TouchpadExpert1 votes

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Lol Im not that new i know character styles

It still helps to refresh yourself with it. If you've decided to pick Nasus as your passive/sustain laner then just be aware of his style. He's a sustain/kill laner. So Kill/poke laners give him trouble early on. Try not to pick him into people like Teemo, Gnar, Jayce or Fizz. Do pick him into people who are Poke/sustain laners such as Shen, Zac, Yorick and Maokai.

And my passive top laner is Shen. Shen may be more to your liking because in a pinch he could be built offensively in the form of Lightning Shen. Shen's laning phase consists of farming under tower and then jumping in to make short and bursty duels against the enemy laner only to walk out and go back to farming under turret. He has decent sustain from his Q and his W can soak up any excessive poke damage coming his way. And his ultimate can really turn the tides in a fight. Definitely worth looking into.

Pelican Cove1 votes

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It still helps to refresh yourself with it. If you've decided to pick Nasus as your passive/sustain laner then just be aware of his style. He's a sustain/kill laner. So Kill/poke laners give him trouble early on. Try not to pick him into people like Teemo, Gnar, Jayce or Fizz. Do pick him into people who are Poke/sustain laners such as Shen, Zac, Yorick and Maokai.

And my passive top laner is Shen. Shen may be more to your liking because in a pinch he could be built offensively in the form of Lightning Shen. Shen's laning phase consists of farming under tower and then jumping in to make short and bursty duels against the enemy laner only to walk out and go back to farming under turret. He has decent sustain from his Q and his W can soak up any excessive poke damage coming his way. And his ultimate can really turn the tides in a fight. Definitely worth looking into. I always play shen as a poking aggro tank. Lol i play most aggressive champs. I think right now my issue is mindset. Like if I'm Darius i should walk into lane and murder, not get kicked around by a girl with no armor who jumps...i dunno that's just me

TouchpadExpert1 votes

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I always play shen as a poking aggro tank. Lol i play most aggressive champs. I think right now my issue is mindset. Like if I'm Darius i should walk into lane and murder, not get kicked around by a girl with no armor who jumps...i dunno that's just me

Who the heck is taking Tristana top lane?

Pelican Cove1 votes

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Who the heck is taking Tristana top lane?

I meant Riven aka Hop A Long the broken lol and i ain't taking about her sword

TouchpadExpert1 votes

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I meant Riven aka Hop A Long the broken lol and i ain't taking about her sword

Yeah, Riven can be annoying in that if she can time out her broken blade properly her abilities are never on cooldown. Which is annoying. Nasus won't have a very good time against her since she ignores wither by mashing Q W and E a few times. If you can kite her and have mobility to escape her then you'll find her much easier to beat. I hate this champion with an absolute passion, but Gnarbage is probably one of the best champions for countering Riven so long as he keeps his distance. Or you can play Swain top and just sustain through her combo and kill her before she runs away.

Pelican Cove1 votes

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Yeah, Riven can be annoying in that if she can time out her broken blade properly her abilities are never on cooldown. Which is annoying. Nasus won't have a very good time against her since she ignores wither by mashing Q W and E a few times. If you can kite her and have mobility to escape her then you'll find her much easier to beat. I hate this champion with an absolute passion, but Gnarbage is probably one of the best champions for countering Riven so long as he keeps his distance. Or you can play Swain top and just sustain through her combo and kill her before she runs away.

yeah the only counter i say there is banning her punk piece of trash

TouchpadExpert1 votes

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yeah the only counter i say there is banning her punk piece of trash

That works too :)

Mystagent1 votes

Pretend there is always a rengar sitting in that bush you are cloesest two unless its warder. Not just any rengar but a fed af rengar who has max build. That will teach you to facecheck, and overextend while you try to 1v1 mid.

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