I can play well against bots, but when it comes to PvP I can't kill anything! My recent matches I go like 0/9 and can't seem to kill anyone but I get killed in about 3 hits. I don't get it. I would like some help with my game so I can improve and be competitive. In all my games yesterday I had people telling me to unistall and kill myself and it's making me not want to even play this game. Help is much appreciated.
Firstly, ignore people who talk like that. They're idiots. Take it from someone who gets mad at the game but chooses not to take it out on people wo aren't responsible for it.
Second, try to find some friends and play with them. In bot matches at first, if you're more comfortable that way, but if you can find some friendly people with more Normals under their belt to guide you a bit in PvP, all the better.
The most basic problem here as I can understand is that you need to work on your general build and your moment-to-moment strategy. No matter who you pick, or how good you are, most matchups in League come down to a few factors:
Four is the easiest to start with; it'll be things like how to last hit, when to push and where, and general rules about when to dragon, and so on. On a more advanced level, it'll be things like counterpicking enemy champions, watching enemy behavior in lane for signs of a planned all-in, or a neary jungler with an imminent gank in mind. The rest, unfortunately, have to be learned, and can change from game to game like you wouldn't believe.
There's a few solid general starting tips though. Don't always push right to the enemy tower and walk past river, especially without vision. It leaves you defenseless to ganks. Never, ever, ever underestimate the value of warding. Vision control is almost a number one priority in this game, and the factor that, in my opinion, separates the best teams from the worst. Or even the second best. And lastly, it's not always about the kills. A kill secured is great and important, and a death is bad, and should be avoided. But the game is about destroying the enemy Nexus. And it doesn't matter if your team wipes the board with the enemy team all game, it only takes one late game teamfight or baron throw to start those fourty second death-timers and spell the end of the game.
As a rule of thumb, watch people on YouTube playing your champion. Try to find someone who walks you through their gameplay choices and logic, as well--it'll help your mindset.
And always follow the general guideline of objective importance:
Baron and dragon are solid victories for your team, sure, and a loss can be disastrous there. But too many people overestimate their importance for one simple reason, and that's that turrets are permanently destroyed. Inhibitors are worth more for the lane pressure, and often one inhib fallen can mean that, with the right teamfighting and map control, the super minions themselves come in to the base in time to retake it for you. But towers fall and they're gone, and every tower that drops on your enemy's side of the map creates more safe area for you and your team, and gives you more control of their jungle.
Lastly, a few more general tips for any champion.
ALWAYS buy wards, no matter what. You won't need as many as your support, or your jungler, or even your midlaner (unless you are one of those) but everyone on the team should buy wards throughout most parts of the game. Wards give you and your team vision, and this is invaluable, almost priceless for teamplay. Vision over the entire enemy team gives you strategic safety, so you can plan for their positions and how long it'll take them to group . Vision over dragon or baron, or even the enemy buff camps, can reveal their timetables and potentially where the enemy jungler is. Vision over bushes, especially the commonly accepted best places to ward, can spoil enemy ganks, help you catch the AP or AD carry out of position, and can even free up one of your team to split push. It can't be understated, vision is vital.
Mobafire and a few other websites are solid places for guides; in general, you can even Google 'irelia guide' or 'irelia build' and find a wealth of articles and even videos on how to build that champion, including skill order and purchase order, and some people will even give you general champion tips, special tricks or widely known moves/combos, or even nice item synergies. Some even go so far as to plot out lane matchups for you, so you know, even if inexperienced, who might give you trouble in lane and, more importantly, why they're troublesome. This can help you counter-counter them, if they're as inexperienced as you and don't know how to take care of the weaknesses you've been reading up on. But this is second to my main tip here, which is that no one build order will always be viable, not for any champion. There will always be some variation in what you buy and when, which takes being able to read a game, AKA practice. There's always recommended paths, though, but for the most part a lot of it falls to judgment.
I know it's a lot to take in, but there's plenty more out there if you look. If you have any specific questions, ask and I'll do my best to reply. And feel free to add me, if you want, and I'll play with you sometime. There's no telling if I'll be any good though. =P
The game's not about killing the opposing champions. Bots will sit there and take abuse until you've killed them, and if you spend all game doing that, of course you'll be able to afford items to turn you into a god.
Problem is, most other players don't play as poorly as a bot will. They're going to run away or even fight back if you attack them.
You need to focus on farming; on the objectives. You can focus on creepscore and still have just as much gold as someone with 20 kills, if not more.
Farm those minions.
league is alot easier easier when you find that one champion that fits your playtyle
(mine was
) after that, league gets ALOT easier and you will start to learn other champions
you should also watch streams to learn more about the game
Good Luck! :D
ok first off, just /muteall as soon as the game starts. it's unlikely you'll hear anything useful in low level pvp anyway. second, guides. youtube has great resources for learning the game and in an hour or two you could pick up things you wouldn't have noticed after dozens of games. third, until you get more comfortable, don't tower dive at low levels, just focus on farming and attacking your opponent when you have an advantage. fourth, play the free week champs so you can understand how they work and eventually find some you like. fifth, start with easier champions with simple playstyles. Most of the 6300 ip champs are meant to be versatile and win through strategies that require a lot of game knowledge; the cheaper ip champs are more about getting some items and then killing everyone with a couple button presses. 
are all good for beginners. Finally, know that there is a hell of a lot to understand about this game, and set reasonable goals for what you want to figure out. I know people who've played for years and don't know certain aspects just because they never focused on them, and that's fine. To start, focus on not dying, last-hitting, not getting caught by multiple people, and using your skills properly. Then move on to taking objectives, building the items you need, understanding map pressure, warding, and so forth.
Good luck!
A lot of what the others have been saying:
GLHF!
Transitioning from bot games to PvP takes lots of practice. Last I checked the bots do not have much strategy/tactics to them, so you get used to playing against the bot strategy/tactics and don't learn any new ones. The more you play PvP, the more strategies and tactics you will be exposed to. Also, keep in mind that League isn't about getting lots of kills (though, they can help), it's about getting the enemy's nexus; this is where strategy comes in!
I checked out your match history Your CSing abilities are actually really good considering how new to the game you are! Keep it up; practice makes perfect! :)
Your builds could use some work, but they aren't that bad either. I would recommend rushing 
on Ashe, then other items. And, since the current meta is League of Tanks, remember to get a 
in your Ashe build at some point. On support Morgana, it's good that you are building 
, but I find that it's good to rush a 
as my first item after 
; it saves you lots of gold on wards and the wards keep you safe (keep in mind the safety of wards saves you lots of gold that you would be losing if you were dying from ganks, and Blitzcrank pulls and the like). And, on junglers you typically want to finish your jungle item first.
Overall, you can learn about builds and item purchase orders from guides. I like to use solomid.net and youtube videos.
Another thing to keep in mind is runes. Some of the people in your games are going to have some decent runes because of the level of their account. You should save your IP for tier 3 runes, which I think you can start buying at level 20. Since some of the people in your games already have the good runes, they start off with an advantage over you. So, if you want to win lots of games, I'd recommend playing safe in the early game instead of aggressively. But, that's all up to you because practicing aggressive play will improve your ability to do so later on; just keep in mind that if you play aggressively early on, you may be doing so from a disadvantage due to the runes. Also, it is usually really hard to play jungle without runes, so maybe stay away from the role until you get some runes or play a champion that can survive the jungle without runes (Udyr or Olaf maybe?).
I think it is really great that you have been learning so many different roles, especially support! Few people want to learn support, and if you learn how to competently play that role, you will likely have an advantage over the enemy team based merely on your competence of the role. In addition, Morgana can also be played as an AP mid laner. So, by learning Morgana, you make yourself even more flexible in the positions you can offer your team in champion select (though, you will probably get stuck on support most of the time).
Don't let the ragers get you down! The more you play PvP, the better you will get at the game and the better you will get at handling the ragers. I find the best two things you can do for dealing with ragers are: positive reinforcement and ignoring/muting the ragers. For positive reinforcement if you see a teammate raging at another teammate, point out that the other teammate may not be good at one thing, but they are doing really well at another thing (nobody completely sucks at this game). I find that the positive reinforcement method is also a good tool for yourself as it teaches you to recognize the strengths and weaknesses of your team, then make plays based on these strengths and weaknesses (and it may teach you more about how to play the game by observing the way your teammates play). If the teammate is raging at you or if they are not responding well to the positive reinforcement, just ignore/mute them. You are doing way better at this game than when I started, so just keep playing and enjoy yourself! Everyone has bad games and everyone has room to improve themselves. :)
Once again I can't express how much I appreciate the advice. I can see myself improving a little from the tips you gave me.
Looked at your match history, and some of the players on the other team are obnoxious smurfs (level 30 players). Of course you will have no chance against them, since they have many months or even years of experience ahead of you. Don't let players on your team get you down; you are learning the game. When I was level 12, I was feeding even more than you are; I would go about 0/12 every game since I had absolutely no idea how to play.
If I could suggest ONE thing to focus on, it would be last-hitting (getting CS). Remember that if you last hit a minion you will get ~20 gold from it. 20 gold might not seem like much, but if you have 150 last hits and the enemy laner has 50, then that's a 2000+ gold advantage that you have over him. Obviously you won't get every single minion, and you should not get into dangerous spots just to get a last-hit, but instead of mindlessly clicking the minions (which is what I used to do), try to focus on getting that last hit. If you have enough mana, maybe even use your spells to last hit (they can make lasthitting so much easier).
Read most of the thread and a lot of great advice (thanks), but I have one thing to add. When learning a new champ, or when learning a new skill, like last hitting, I would make a custom gameand set it up increasingly harder. For example, I start with full teams at beginner level, then increase the skill level of opposing bots to intermediate. When I get that I will start dropping bots on my team to increase the difficulty. The whole time I concentrate on not dieing and fulfilling my own goals. When I learned last hitting I would purposely not kill Champs and just cs. When the game goes past 20 minutes and I haven't gotten 100 cs at least I will restart the game and try again. Or I will try to put myself in situations that work on what I'm trying to do, like luring Champs to the river to work on kiting.
So, it sounds like what you need to do is get a better understanding of the game in general. I would recommend watching some eSports. It'll be some confusing terminology at first, but just soaking up the information and slowly figuring out what they are talking about should help you a lot.
There's also a lot of threads floating around for new players... If I had any linked, I would paste them. Try to search for some reddit posts or boards posts about improving your cs and figuring out how to trade in lane. The way you are talking makes it sound like you are basically trying to fight the opponent constantly; that's not how the game is played. There's more strategy than that.
The way you play depends on your champion, as well. For instance, if you play Nasus, you want to avoid fighting early and just try to farm, because you get beastly late game. If you're playing a bully like Gnar, though, you want to harass in lane and punish your opponent. For this reason, I recommend you look up a guide on your favorite champ. Once you learn your first champ, every other champ can be compared to that one (especially in the same role) and you can start to figure out how those differences matter.
I could go into details about Ashe and Miss Fortune, since you mentioned you like them, but it doesn't fit with my message; find some other places for information. For guides, I use mobafire.com, usually. There's a ton of sites you can use, though. And WATCH GAMES. Spectate in client, watch eSports, find a good streamer to watch. It will be hard to improve your game simply be listening to random people in boards.
also. dont pick helmet bro in champ select. dude's a total feeder.
Hey :D I got a lot to say here, so bare with me. xD
I coach/help/teach/whatever term you prefer under-30's with basics and such. Totally free, completely one-on-one since I know some people expect you to pay for help or send you to Twitch and make you compete for attention.
I do it not only because I can't really explain what I know without getting into a game and watching you play, but I never had help from anyone when I leveled up and I hated it. The friends I had that did play expected me to keep up with them when they were gold+ and I was a level 5. So I feel the pain of being flamed for not being skilled.
I've had 2 others so far that love the help I've given them and say it's useful, and even now around level 20 they play a lot better, sometimes outscoring me in a game. That, and if I join you in game, if you play and ADC's I could play support for you and give you pointers in-lane, or play jungle and give you tips for laning alone.
On that note, since you mentioned being flamed, a level 30 sticking up for you makes a lot of those under-leveled shut up sometimes. :p
If you're interested, feel free to add me. :D I'm around most of the time if you wanna play PvP, bots, or just have questions to ask. ^^
Just keep playing Solo Queue/PvP and avoid playing with bots. Who cares if you're gonna suck, everyone starts somewhere and make sure to main a champ.
dont play bots much, they are irrelevant for pre 30 - early 30 it's easily possible to do fine vs people and poorly vs bots. it's better than vice versa, learning to kill bots don't help much in pvp
don't waste ip for runes and champions till you get lvl 20 at lvl 20 you buy tier 3 runes, yellow armor (both pages), blue flat mr (both pages), red mpen (one page) and ad (second page), quints move speed (both pages); it lets you fill 2 rune pages which you can use for literally any champion in the game any role, not very optimal of course but very universal
low level and actually a large percent of the league player base are assholes, just mute them and keep playing, and you will improve :)
So I just played a support match. I got help from Masochistic Brat last night. Is this a solid game for support?
Beginner (Pre 30)
Intermediate (when you get to 30)
Ranked
What role/champion do you play?
Everyone who talks like that feel like they have power over someone on the internet, so just ignore them. Play the game and practice and then you can make yourself better. Playing with friends helps especially when they are familiar with the game(that way they can help you improve) and also watching games in LCS or High ranking players will help.
Levyathyn made an excellent post that covers most of what I usually say in these threads. Your personal skill aside, it may be that you are dealing with smurfs (higher-level players on low-level accounts) some of the time, so don't beat yourself up too much if you get stomped hard from time to time. I would recommend you focus on just staying alive and farming. Playing to not die is a pretty good policy at most levels of play in solo queue, and farming will never hurt you. Work on your last-hitting (perhaps in a custom game by yourself so you aren't distracted) or on using gold items effectively with your support champs.
I find the League wiki is an excellent resource for gaining a mathematical understanding of the game. It details how each champion and item works, what each stat does, and offers advice on champion strategy and build paths. It sounds like you play a lot of marksmen, so you'll especially want to get some information about the attack speed, attack damage, and critical strike stats to make sure you aren't doing anything too funky with your items.
You are welcome to add me in-game. I enjoy helping people learn to play the game and have a low level account to play with new people without skewing matchmaking (I usually play things I am not terribly good at to keep things fair) if you would like to play with that as well. For full disclosure, I am an unranked support main with a vision fetish, so I have pretty good knowledge of bot lane and little beyond the basics in the other roles. I use Curse Voice for speaking with teammates.
Just wanted to throw out my thoughts from my own experiences.
I started playing with friends who were for the most part didn't really give me a whole lot of advice. Can't really say I blame them, there's so much to talk about that it's kinda like, just play and figure it out mentality. Trying to explain everything would be a daunting task.
Anyway, they threw me in the jungle and just kinda left me to fend for myself.
My advice is start making the jungle your main role.
Some Pros of this:
Some Cons:
Anyway, in closing, I learned this game as a jungler, and eventually it gave me insight into parts of the game that even some of my friends, who had been playing much longer than I, hadn't really picked up.
Then eventually you should get some laning experience in obviously, but once your a jungle main, it's always there, and something you can fall back on. It's always a great role to feel confident in. So after you've been laning for a while, and you end up going jungle again at some point, the knowledge and awareness come back to you. I still remember seeing a funny meme/story thing I TOTALLY related to about a lower ELO jungle main, who caught a higher elo enemy jungler, but that player was still new to the jungle role:
"Ohhh, you think the jungle is your ally? You merely adopted the jungle. I was born in it. Molded by it. I didn't see a lane until I was already level 30 and by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING."
I'm not saying you should only jungle til level 30 of course but it's nice to have this type of mindset. After countless LoL games, I consider myself more of a top or mid main now but..
When I get back into the jungle every now and then, it all comes back to me. Like coming home after a vacation.
It's something to consider anyway. Cheers and good luck.
Wow I can't believe those toxic players! Just learn your champion and start playing bots in intermediate and learn to cs! and don't be reckless in game or too aggressive.
