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OG Mesty··17 votes·3,946 views

I can play well against bots, but when it comes to PvP I can't kill anything! My recent matches I go like 0/9 and can't seem to kill anyone but I get killed in about 3 hits. I don't get it. I would like some help with my game so I can improve and be competitive. In all my games yesterday I had people telling me to unistall and kill myself and it's making me not want to even play this game. Help is much appreciated.

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Levyathyn17 votes

Firstly, ignore people who talk like that. They're idiots. Take it from someone who gets mad at the game but chooses not to take it out on people wo aren't responsible for it.

Second, try to find some friends and play with them. In bot matches at first, if you're more comfortable that way, but if you can find some friendly people with more Normals under their belt to guide you a bit in PvP, all the better.

The most basic problem here as I can understand is that you need to work on your general build and your moment-to-moment strategy. No matter who you pick, or how good you are, most matchups in League come down to a few factors:

  1. Which champion you're pitted against
  2. Which skill you take first, then which skill you max first
  3. Your build order, and when you back to fill it out
  4. Your gameplay fundamentals

Four is the easiest to start with; it'll be things like how to last hit, when to push and where, and general rules about when to dragon, and so on. On a more advanced level, it'll be things like counterpicking enemy champions, watching enemy behavior in lane for signs of a planned all-in, or a neary jungler with an imminent gank in mind. The rest, unfortunately, have to be learned, and can change from game to game like you wouldn't believe.

There's a few solid general starting tips though. Don't always push right to the enemy tower and walk past river, especially without vision. It leaves you defenseless to ganks. Never, ever, ever underestimate the value of warding. Vision control is almost a number one priority in this game, and the factor that, in my opinion, separates the best teams from the worst. Or even the second best. And lastly, it's not always about the kills. A kill secured is great and important, and a death is bad, and should be avoided. But the game is about destroying the enemy Nexus. And it doesn't matter if your team wipes the board with the enemy team all game, it only takes one late game teamfight or baron throw to start those fourty second death-timers and spell the end of the game.

As a rule of thumb, watch people on YouTube playing your champion. Try to find someone who walks you through their gameplay choices and logic, as well--it'll help your mindset.

And always follow the general guideline of objective importance:

  1. Enemy Nexus (obviously)
  2. Enemy inhibitors
  3. Enemy turrets
  4. Baron
  5. Dragon

Baron and dragon are solid victories for your team, sure, and a loss can be disastrous there. But too many people overestimate their importance for one simple reason, and that's that turrets are permanently destroyed. Inhibitors are worth more for the lane pressure, and often one inhib fallen can mean that, with the right teamfighting and map control, the super minions themselves come in to the base in time to retake it for you. But towers fall and they're gone, and every tower that drops on your enemy's side of the map creates more safe area for you and your team, and gives you more control of their jungle.

Lastly, a few more general tips for any champion.

ALWAYS buy wards, no matter what. You won't need as many as your support, or your jungler, or even your midlaner (unless you are one of those) but everyone on the team should buy wards throughout most parts of the game. Wards give you and your team vision, and this is invaluable, almost priceless for teamplay. Vision over the entire enemy team gives you strategic safety, so you can plan for their positions and how long it'll take them to group . Vision over dragon or baron, or even the enemy buff camps, can reveal their timetables and potentially where the enemy jungler is. Vision over bushes, especially the commonly accepted best places to ward, can spoil enemy ganks, help you catch the AP or AD carry out of position, and can even free up one of your team to split push. It can't be understated, vision is vital.

Mobafire and a few other websites are solid places for guides; in general, you can even Google 'irelia guide' or 'irelia build' and find a wealth of articles and even videos on how to build that champion, including skill order and purchase order, and some people will even give you general champion tips, special tricks or widely known moves/combos, or even nice item synergies. Some even go so far as to plot out lane matchups for you, so you know, even if inexperienced, who might give you trouble in lane and, more importantly, why they're troublesome. This can help you counter-counter them, if they're as inexperienced as you and don't know how to take care of the weaknesses you've been reading up on. But this is second to my main tip here, which is that no one build order will always be viable, not for any champion. There will always be some variation in what you buy and when, which takes being able to read a game, AKA practice. There's always recommended paths, though, but for the most part a lot of it falls to judgment.

I know it's a lot to take in, but there's plenty more out there if you look. If you have any specific questions, ask and I'll do my best to reply. And feel free to add me, if you want, and I'll play with you sometime. There's no telling if I'll be any good though. =P

OG Mesty3 votes

Thank you for this info. All the information I am receiving it great and I appreciate all the feedback and help. I am going to try and master Morgana first.

Levyathyn1 votes

Not a bad choice. She's good as a support or mid, and can go top with experience, and she brings a lot to all stages of the game.

Dready1 votes

Don't sweat it. We've all been there!

QuantumLight1 votes

I want to add a bit,

wards are important, remember that, but focusing on wards this early just makes it more confusing to learn. dont worry about them untill you hit lvl 25 ish.

also knowing what skill you should max is, imo, easier then learning to last hit. looking up guides online can tell you that in around 10 sec, though its allways wise to check multiple guides so your not getting a jg nid guide when your playing sup.

Vicvictorw7 votes

The game's not about killing the opposing champions. Bots will sit there and take abuse until you've killed them, and if you spend all game doing that, of course you'll be able to afford items to turn you into a god.

Problem is, most other players don't play as poorly as a bot will. They're going to run away or even fight back if you attack them.

You need to focus on farming; on the objectives. You can focus on creepscore and still have just as much gold as someone with 20 kills, if not more.

Farm those minions.

FiniteApple4 votes

league is alot easier easier when you find that one champion that fits your playtyle (mine wasKatarina ) after that, league gets ALOT easier and you will start to learn other champions you should also watch streams to learn more about the game Good Luck! :D

freeformline1 votes

This is true. Play as many of the free week champs as you can so you can find champions that you really mesh with. For me, it was Urgot (back when he still had a 40% win rate). Don't be afraid to try unpopular things; if nothing else, you are building knowledge that will help you if you ever actually run into those weird choices in an enemy.

SecretAgentHulk3 votes

A lot of what the others have been saying:

  1. Don't sweat it. Everyone sucks coming into PvP for the first time; I know I did. You'll get better.
  2. Mute those hatin muddafukkas. Hold TAB and then click the little chat button all the way to the right of their name.
  3. Find a more experienced friend to play with if you can. Also watch pro streams or YouTubers if that's your jam. Watch how people who know how to play better do it, and you'll (even unconsciously) pick up some of their strategies. (For example, I play tanks a lot and have become much better at initiating teamfights since I started watching LCS this year.)
  4. Don't be afraid to ask questions. Someone mentions ADC but you don't know what it is? Ask. If you're dying a lot, ask if anyone has any tips for playing against the champ that keeps killing you. And if they hate on you, see tip #2.
  5. Every week, try one new (free-to-play) champion. Even just a couple games, enough that you are trying new champions with new playstyles until you find your niche. I played for four months before I tried Sona on her free week. Something clicked and I became a support main my first game with her.

GLHF!

Spacesuit Spiff3 votes

ok first off, just /muteall as soon as the game starts. it's unlikely you'll hear anything useful in low level pvp anyway. second, guides. youtube has great resources for learning the game and in an hour or two you could pick up things you wouldn't have noticed after dozens of games. third, until you get more comfortable, don't tower dive at low levels, just focus on farming and attacking your opponent when you have an advantage. fourth, play the free week champs so you can understand how they work and eventually find some you like. fifth, start with easier champions with simple playstyles. Most of the 6300 ip champs are meant to be versatile and win through strategies that require a lot of game knowledge; the cheaper ip champs are more about getting some items and then killing everyone with a couple button presses. Annie Ryze Garen MasterYi Amumu Tristana Warwick Blitzcrank Soraka Malphite are all good for beginners. Finally, know that there is a hell of a lot to understand about this game, and set reasonable goals for what you want to figure out. I know people who've played for years and don't know certain aspects just because they never focused on them, and that's fine. To start, focus on not dying, last-hitting, not getting caught by multiple people, and using your skills properly. Then move on to taking objectives, building the items you need, understanding map pressure, warding, and so forth.

Good luck!

sbsp136683 votes

Transitioning from bot games to PvP takes lots of practice. Last I checked the bots do not have much strategy/tactics to them, so you get used to playing against the bot strategy/tactics and don't learn any new ones. The more you play PvP, the more strategies and tactics you will be exposed to. Also, keep in mind that League isn't about getting lots of kills (though, they can help), it's about getting the enemy's nexus; this is where strategy comes in!

I checked out your match history Your CSing abilities are actually really good considering how new to the game you are! Keep it up; practice makes perfect! :)

Your builds could use some work, but they aren't that bad either. I would recommend rushing item 3031 on Ashe, then other items. And, since the current meta is League of Tanks, remember to get a item 3035 in your Ashe build at some point. On support Morgana, it's good that you are building item 3092 , but I find that it's good to rush a item 2049 as my first item after item 3303 ; it saves you lots of gold on wards and the wards keep you safe (keep in mind the safety of wards saves you lots of gold that you would be losing if you were dying from ganks, and Blitzcrank pulls and the like). And, on junglers you typically want to finish your jungle item first. Overall, you can learn about builds and item purchase orders from guides. I like to use solomid.net and youtube videos.

Another thing to keep in mind is runes. Some of the people in your games are going to have some decent runes because of the level of their account. You should save your IP for tier 3 runes, which I think you can start buying at level 20. Since some of the people in your games already have the good runes, they start off with an advantage over you. So, if you want to win lots of games, I'd recommend playing safe in the early game instead of aggressively. But, that's all up to you because practicing aggressive play will improve your ability to do so later on; just keep in mind that if you play aggressively early on, you may be doing so from a disadvantage due to the runes. Also, it is usually really hard to play jungle without runes, so maybe stay away from the role until you get some runes or play a champion that can survive the jungle without runes (Udyr or Olaf maybe?).

I think it is really great that you have been learning so many different roles, especially support! Few people want to learn support, and if you learn how to competently play that role, you will likely have an advantage over the enemy team based merely on your competence of the role. In addition, Morgana can also be played as an AP mid laner. So, by learning Morgana, you make yourself even more flexible in the positions you can offer your team in champion select (though, you will probably get stuck on support most of the time).

Don't let the ragers get you down! The more you play PvP, the better you will get at the game and the better you will get at handling the ragers. I find the best two things you can do for dealing with ragers are: positive reinforcement and ignoring/muting the ragers. For positive reinforcement if you see a teammate raging at another teammate, point out that the other teammate may not be good at one thing, but they are doing really well at another thing (nobody completely sucks at this game). I find that the positive reinforcement method is also a good tool for yourself as it teaches you to recognize the strengths and weaknesses of your team, then make plays based on these strengths and weaknesses (and it may teach you more about how to play the game by observing the way your teammates play). If the teammate is raging at you or if they are not responding well to the positive reinforcement, just ignore/mute them. You are doing way better at this game than when I started, so just keep playing and enjoy yourself! Everyone has bad games and everyone has room to improve themselves. :)

blkh12 votes

I really like how you take the emphasis off getting kills and put it on getting the nexus. I have had games where we were 20+ kills down and still won because we got the objectives and got the nexus. Not to say that it isn't easier when you have the kills. So many only worry about the kills and not progressing the game.

ModKnightsKemplar2 votes

So, it sounds like what you need to do is get a better understanding of the game in general. I would recommend watching some eSports. It'll be some confusing terminology at first, but just soaking up the information and slowly figuring out what they are talking about should help you a lot.

There's also a lot of threads floating around for new players... If I had any linked, I would paste them. Try to search for some reddit posts or boards posts about improving your cs and figuring out how to trade in lane. The way you are talking makes it sound like you are basically trying to fight the opponent constantly; that's not how the game is played. There's more strategy than that.

The way you play depends on your champion, as well. For instance, if you play Nasus, you want to avoid fighting early and just try to farm, because you get beastly late game. If you're playing a bully like Gnar, though, you want to harass in lane and punish your opponent. For this reason, I recommend you look up a guide on your favorite champ. Once you learn your first champ, every other champ can be compared to that one (especially in the same role) and you can start to figure out how those differences matter.

I could go into details about Ashe and Miss Fortune, since you mentioned you like them, but it doesn't fit with my message; find some other places for information. For guides, I use mobafire.com, usually. There's a ton of sites you can use, though. And WATCH GAMES. Spectate in client, watch eSports, find a good streamer to watch. It will be hard to improve your game simply be listening to random people in boards.

OG Mesty2 votes

I've been trying to find pros to watch youtube videos or streams but I am watching the eSports matches now and I'm trying to learn.

The Lexer2 votes

Watching the pro matches helped me a lot as well. Keep watching!

Sinlaire2 votes

also. dont pick helmet bro in champ select. dude's a total feeder.

Mellori2 votes

Hey :D I got a lot to say here, so bare with me. xD

I coach/help/teach/whatever term you prefer under-30's with basics and such. Totally free, completely one-on-one since I know some people expect you to pay for help or send you to Twitch and make you compete for attention.

I do it not only because I can't really explain what I know without getting into a game and watching you play, but I never had help from anyone when I leveled up and I hated it. The friends I had that did play expected me to keep up with them when they were gold+ and I was a level 5. So I feel the pain of being flamed for not being skilled.

I've had 2 others so far that love the help I've given them and say it's useful, and even now around level 20 they play a lot better, sometimes outscoring me in a game. That, and if I join you in game, if you play and ADC's I could play support for you and give you pointers in-lane, or play jungle and give you tips for laning alone.

On that note, since you mentioned being flamed, a level 30 sticking up for you makes a lot of those under-leveled shut up sometimes. :p

If you're interested, feel free to add me. :D I'm around most of the time if you wanna play PvP, bots, or just have questions to ask. ^^

OG Mesty2 votes

I added you. If you are ever free I'd like to play!

Ken3on1 votes

Add me too if you like. I have a secondary account I can play if you want help leveling, I made it to help some friends of mine get into the game. Honestly the fact that you care to get better setts you ahead in my eyes, and I'd love to help you practice.

OG Mesty1 votes

I added you!

TwoD2 votes

Just keep playing Solo Queue/PvP and avoid playing with bots. Who cares if you're gonna suck, everyone starts somewhere and make sure to main a champ.

bad arcade kitty2 votes

dont play bots much, they are irrelevant for pre 30 - early 30 it's easily possible to do fine vs people and poorly vs bots. it's better than vice versa, learning to kill bots don't help much in pvp

don't waste ip for runes and champions till you get lvl 20 at lvl 20 you buy tier 3 runes, yellow armor (both pages), blue flat mr (both pages), red mpen (one page) and ad (second page), quints move speed (both pages); it lets you fill 2 rune pages which you can use for literally any champion in the game any role, not very optimal of course but very universal

OG Mesty2 votes

Once again I can't express how much I appreciate the advice. I can see myself improving a little from the tips you gave me.

Timewinder2 votes

Looked at your match history, and some of the players on the other team are obnoxious smurfs (level 30 players). Of course you will have no chance against them, since they have many months or even years of experience ahead of you. Don't let players on your team get you down; you are learning the game. When I was level 12, I was feeding even more than you are; I would go about 0/12 every game since I had absolutely no idea how to play.

If I could suggest ONE thing to focus on, it would be last-hitting (getting CS). Remember that if you last hit a minion you will get ~20 gold from it. 20 gold might not seem like much, but if you have 150 last hits and the enemy laner has 50, then that's a 2000+ gold advantage that you have over him. Obviously you won't get every single minion, and you should not get into dangerous spots just to get a last-hit, but instead of mindlessly clicking the minions (which is what I used to do), try to focus on getting that last hit. If you have enough mana, maybe even use your spells to last hit (they can make lasthitting so much easier).

AbstracT Theory2 votes

low level and actually a large percent of the league player base are assholes, just mute them and keep playing, and you will improve :)

OG Mesty2 votes

So I just played a support match. I got help from Masochistic Brat last night. Is this a solid game for support?

sbsp136682 votes

Very good! Good build, especially! :)

Edit: Actually, looking at what Merxamers posted, I'd say upgrade your trinket to the pink ward trinket or red sweeper trinket. So, you can clear the enemy team's wards (especially useful around neutral objectives, such as Baron and dragon). You can only have 3 green wards down at one time, so there's no point to upgrading to item 3361 when you have a sightstone already. Overall, you are looking good!

Merxamers1 votes

100%-2-legit-2-quit! One minor nitpick is that you probably don't need to upgrade your sightstone into the red version when you can upgrade your yellow trinket into the version that gives 2 free 3-minute wards. But that's the minorest of minor nitpicks; looks like you had a good game and got your carry fed :)

Phazetic2 votes

Read most of the thread and a lot of great advice (thanks), but I have one thing to add. When learning a new champ, or when learning a new skill, like last hitting, I would make a custom gameand set it up increasingly harder. For example, I start with full teams at beginner level, then increase the skill level of opposing bots to intermediate. When I get that I will start dropping bots on my team to increase the difficulty. The whole time I concentrate on not dieing and fulfilling my own goals. When I learned last hitting I would purposely not kill Champs and just cs. When the game goes past 20 minutes and I haven't gotten 100 cs at least I will restart the game and try again. Or I will try to put myself in situations that work on what I'm trying to do, like luring Champs to the river to work on kiting.

blkh11 votes

not enough people learn the importance of a custom game. Kudos!

ActuallyArrow1 votes

What role/champion do you play?

OG Mesty1 votes

I don;t know all the roles to well or what champs fit them but I have been playing with Ashe, Miss Fortune and Morgana

DrProfVibeCheck1 votes

What are your usual builds for Ashe, MF, and Morg?

OG Mesty1 votes

Like what skills I pick first?

GaleWinUnleashed4 votes

In most cases you max skills that give you either the most damage or the most crowd control. Volley for Ashe, Double-up for Miss Fortune, and usually Dark Binding for Morgana.

But Sir Glitterfart probably meant items; Which items do you build?

Most of your problem is likely nothing more than a lack of experience. You'll get there eventually, so don't stress over it too much. Just try to play as well as you know how, and you'll learn more every game.

ActuallyArrow1 votes

Builds are items.

OG Mesty1 votes

Oh sorry lol. I usually pick items under the suggested tab.

GaleWinUnleashed5 votes

Recommended items are usually quite good, they should see you through most of the way to level 30 without too much difficulty. Feel free to try slightly different items, though, just to learn the system and figure out the best situations to build each item.

FuryofThornsRedo1 votes

summoner 13 is really helpful. Many Ashe and Morgana's I have shared the lane with are in the most need of Mana. In champion select Clarity summoner 13 is the Mana Boost.

Maybe, think Clarity/Mana for Magic sort skill ability for some Champions. If you should rather take other boosts as you develop your game,

/ActuallyArrow is correct in how well your build items are built.

Edit: 2 With Ashe using a Frost Arrow, I think for the reason of her Frost Arrow there is a Magic foundation her champion owns. Which is why maybe one item slot to build maybe only from here item 1027 to here item 3070./ Though with item 3110 and other Frozen items with some ability there have been some cool sights to observe in those games I witnessed the cool for some of those Frozen Champions techniques in their battles.

I have noticed many go for ability items such as item 3089 or item 1026 <or in items building with item 1026 build into item 3001> , or both in always trying to amp the most ability. I am still researching items in my games, so until I try to play like those people, I could really not say here for sure with amplified ability, though there is some significant game improvement.

item 3070 / item 3303 are helpful/ though have used this item when experience a sooner return than expected to home base for a heal so I will take this item item 1027 to help with some mana until I can upgrade into this item <item 3070 which builds into item 3003 >.

versus maybe this item 2004 .

item 3070 gives you some mana regeneration which other items as lower item builds might not, but are helpful in the structuring of upgrading items.

Edit: 1 <Good Luck, or when I champion with Soraka and might not have a chance to play a game on the same team as you I tell my teams if I can in every game,"May the Luck in the stars be in us ALL!" From FuryofThornsRedo

Edit: 2 Maybe there are times your game play is better or exceeding in some skills than those unpleasant allies for a game, and those comments are ego busters. Never forget you are the only person to maintain your attitude, your responsibility to team morale, and your own ego Boosting for your level of game play (encouragement, compliments positive self-talk support). Posting a post in asking for help is most definitely a level of courage you already own compared to many people whom might never have posted a post asking for help. Another positive online gamer skill you already own is illustrating a strength to other people where they might like to emulate you or learn from your example. If not in posting a post, maybe then in reading your post alone has helped that many more people in League of Legends and their game ability learning agility. With your understanding of compassion through your actions in this post,... ...search for more words to say, then think, could my level of skill own any valid validation when up against those better skilled than me posting a post? Again a lesson of Courage. Thank you for this post and allowing me to learn from your game play as an example. From FuryofThornsRedo

ActuallyArrow5 votes

One tip: Turn "Auto-casting" on. It helps a ton, but if you are not comfortable using it, stick with having it off for a while.

Ashe and Miss Fortune are ADC (Attack Damage Carry). Morgana is either a Mage or a Support.

ADCs play bottom lane along side a support champion. Mages can play top, but are more commonly found in the mid-lane, and supports go to the bot lane with the ADCs.

When you play an ADC, on of the things you should be focusing on is poking. Poking is where you harass the enemy with auto-attacks, and the occasional skill. I use to play Ashe (a lot), so I will help you with her first.

Ashe is an odd ADC, as I found her best to be an AS (Attack Speed) champion. This being said, I would build her starting with: item 3031 item 3087. I highly suggest using Mobafire as you are starting out, it helps you to understand what items works with who (as you get more knowledgeable on items, you'll never want to use Mobafire again though). Start with her W, this helps with her poke. Every now and then, just unleash it when you can get a clear shot of the enemy (Do not pursue further). In the mean time, farm your little heart out on the minions. CS (Creep Score) is your main source of gold, so the more minions you kill the better. Don't get greedy for kills, you dying is worse than you not getting a kill. Poke the enemy until they either act stupid, or have to recall. Don't be afraid to use your ult to pick off a kill. If you see someone with low enough health (you should probably learn how much damage her ult does), sitting under a turret, or recalling, in your lane, shoot it. Just don't rush in for kills, otherwise you will die.

I have not played Miss Fortune, but all ADCs work pretty much the same in terms of poking/cs/etc.

Morgana is a personal favorite of mine. I play her support and mid. If you want kills, take her mid. In the mid lane, you are most open for ganks. With Morg, you are going to want to learn to Q (snare) then W (Fermented Soil) right after, and under them. Her passive heals her when she deals spell damage, so be sure to not be afraid of using your spells. Buy item 3157, this is an amazing item to do some wicked combos with. If you shield yourself (her E), snare them, fermented soil them, and then use your ult+item 3157 , you will get off some wicked damage while taking a small amount.

I still don't know how to build her as Support, but I usually play Soraka or Sona support, so I know the role a bit. If you want to play support, know this: Kills are nothing to you. Your entire goal is to give your ADC kills and protect them. "Peeling" is a turn used when referring to a support forcing your enemy away from its target (so with Morg, it would be snare+fermented soil, causing them to have to retreat). Never aim to get kills as a support. If you can, and your ADC is nowhere in sight (either dead, recalled, or god knows where), for ahead and take the kill (IF YOU CAN). Otherwise, you are going for assists. Most of my support games go like: 3/10/20 (kills/deaths/assists), and this is a good thing because it means I spent most of my time helping my teammates get kills.

Kills are not your goal in this game. You cannot run-and-gun, get a ton of kills, and expect to win. If you go 3/10, but won your lane (towers+cs), you are doing fine. Of course there will be some asshole raging that you suck (welcome to League), but you don't. Your goals are the most important thing in this game. Those goals are the towers. If you can get to the inhib without losing a tower, you are doing fine. I have had games where I went 20/5, and still lost the game because my other laners lost their lane. Just remember, though, do not blame your team for your mistakes. If you die, you die.

I hope this helped any. :)

Xela Syab1 votes

Beginner (Pre 30)

  1. Get to level 30 in bots before you pvp, you're in a mastery and rune deficit than other level 30's.
  2. Start buying tier 3 runes for adc you run ad marks, armor seals, mr glyphs, then ad or lifesteal quints.
  3. Read guides on how to build champs you like to play Solomid, mobafire, leaguecraft. Understand proper build paths and what your champ should get.
  4. Mute teammates, pings are the only way to really communicate in lol and it will remove distractions and rage. Watch your minimap.

Intermediate (when you get to 30)

  1. Get 7 or so rune sets for champ types.
  2. Set up as many mastery pages as you can for your playstyle and from guides.
  3. Get a solid competitive champion pool that you can consistently win with.
  4. Learn roles and mechanics

Ranked

  1. Last hit
  2. Ward
  3. Play safe
  4. Teamfight and objective play,
FiniteApple2 votes

Get to level 30 in bots before you pvp,

worst advice na; bots only teach the basics, no wards, no ganks, and no strategy

Timewinder2 votes

^^ agreed, you should not be playing bots past level 10 since the leap from bots to ranked games or level 30 normals is huge

IPleadInsanity1 votes

Seconded, bots do not give you the experience you need to play ranked or norms

The Lexer2 votes

This is pretty bad advice NO PVP??? Thats just setting up for failure at lvl 30 7 rune setes??? At lvl 30 you dont even have the ip for enough champions that would need 7 rune pages (i havnt bought a single rune page and im working fine with what i got) Muting is not a very good idea because you can miss some key chat (i.e. warded bush, strategy, ward)

Xela Syab1 votes

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This is pretty bad advice NO PVP??? Thats just setting up for failure at lvl 30 7 rune setes??? At lvl 30 you dont even have the ip for enough champions that would need 7 rune pages (i havnt bought a single rune page and im working fine with what i got) Muting is not a very good idea because you can miss some key chat (i.e. warded bush, strategy, ward)

If he doesnt want to lose in pvp he should build up to a fair advantage, he can also play aram or dominion just to level up first. Rune pages help him customize his champs and get those early game advantages for trades most games are won from early advantages. OP is level 12 and only can get teir 2 runes. With the community as it is and as much possible harassment he could face muting is the best option, lets him keep his head cool if he makes mistakes. Played this game for 4 years and there's barely any good communication or positive help or feedback from other players, read his post he's already getting hate for being new and trying to learn the game.

DWill101 votes

Just wanted to throw out my thoughts from my own experiences.

I started playing with friends who were for the most part didn't really give me a whole lot of advice. Can't really say I blame them, there's so much to talk about that it's kinda like, just play and figure it out mentality. Trying to explain everything would be a daunting task.

Anyway, they threw me in the jungle and just kinda left me to fend for myself.

My advice is start making the jungle your main role.

Some Pros of this:

  1. Arguably the best role to get an overall, outside the box mentality on how the game works. You get a feel for the ebb and flow of the game pace and such, as you aren't concentrating on last hitting, 'trading' (the concept of attempting to damage the enemy laner while ideally taking no damage in return, then backing out quick, retuning to CSing) and things of that sort.
  2. You won't be feeding as much, as you won't have anyone directly trying to kill you in a lane during laning phase (of course enemies coming into your jungle is always a threat, something that good players always keep in consideration as they go about their routine)
  3. It puts you in a position to positively influence the flow of the lane by ganking lanes, and at the low levels you're playing in, most won't be dropping wards to watch out for them. And even if they do, that doesn't necessarily mean they'll see you coming; people tunnel vision all the time, even at higher levels, it happens.

Some Cons:

  1. I hesitate to list any because.. well, I'll just say that a running joke in the league community is, essentially, everything is the jungler's fault. The jungler is an ideal punching bag for a lot of people. If they over extend without wards, get ganked and die, some of the more toxic players (of which there are many, sadly) will blame you for it. Sounds silly I know, but it happens.
  2. Your last hitting skill won't be getting developed much, as in the jungle you won't be doing any actual last hitting skills, just killing mobs with no worry of them dying to anything other than you.

Anyway, in closing, I learned this game as a jungler, and eventually it gave me insight into parts of the game that even some of my friends, who had been playing much longer than I, hadn't really picked up.

Then eventually you should get some laning experience in obviously, but once your a jungle main, it's always there, and something you can fall back on. It's always a great role to feel confident in. So after you've been laning for a while, and you end up going jungle again at some point, the knowledge and awareness come back to you. I still remember seeing a funny meme/story thing I TOTALLY related to about a lower ELO jungle main, who caught a higher elo enemy jungler, but that player was still new to the jungle role:

"Ohhh, you think the jungle is your ally? You merely adopted the jungle. I was born in it. Molded by it. I didn't see a lane until I was already level 30 and by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING."

I'm not saying you should only jungle til level 30 of course but it's nice to have this type of mindset. After countless LoL games, I consider myself more of a top or mid main now but..

When I get back into the jungle every now and then, it all comes back to me. Like coming home after a vacation.

It's something to consider anyway. Cheers and good luck.

GoodLuckInSoloQ1 votes

Everyone who talks like that feel like they have power over someone on the internet, so just ignore them. Play the game and practice and then you can make yourself better. Playing with friends helps especially when they are familiar with the game(that way they can help you improve) and also watching games in LCS or High ranking players will help.

freeformline1 votes

Levyathyn made an excellent post that covers most of what I usually say in these threads. Your personal skill aside, it may be that you are dealing with smurfs (higher-level players on low-level accounts) some of the time, so don't beat yourself up too much if you get stomped hard from time to time. I would recommend you focus on just staying alive and farming. Playing to not die is a pretty good policy at most levels of play in solo queue, and farming will never hurt you. Work on your last-hitting (perhaps in a custom game by yourself so you aren't distracted) or on using gold items effectively with your support champs.

I find the League wiki is an excellent resource for gaining a mathematical understanding of the game. It details how each champion and item works, what each stat does, and offers advice on champion strategy and build paths. It sounds like you play a lot of marksmen, so you'll especially want to get some information about the attack speed, attack damage, and critical strike stats to make sure you aren't doing anything too funky with your items.

You are welcome to add me in-game. I enjoy helping people learn to play the game and have a low level account to play with new people without skewing matchmaking (I usually play things I am not terribly good at to keep things fair) if you would like to play with that as well. For full disclosure, I am an unranked support main with a vision fetish, so I have pretty good knowledge of bot lane and little beyond the basics in the other roles. I use Curse Voice for speaking with teammates.

GrandMasterJace1 votes

Wow I can't believe those toxic players! Just learn your champion and start playing bots in intermediate and learn to cs! and don't be reckless in game or too aggressive.

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