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Trying to be an entire team...

DeloricVI·3/21/2015, 4:55:46 AM·2 votes·1,454 views

Can someone please give me a way to win something... I'm not a bad player, but one player can only do so much when the other team has all good players with champions like akali, hecarim.... annie, graves, and I'm the only one who doesn't feed kills... at least not at first, but when my entire team feeds kills for 10 straight minutes, they get me too....

Behind minions isn't safe, 5000 feet away isn't safe, under tower isn't safe, in the shop isn't safe anymore, half the time. I've tried everything.... I'm playing a great champion that I've practiced with and understand the mechanics of, at least enough to do the job. I'm not LCS material, but I can win, I know I can. I'm landing my skill shots. I'm almost killing people, but then someone else fucks up and screws my game up. Over the course of the last month I've lost about 5 games to trolling and 10 games to other players feeding, and I occasionally join them... When it happens I feel so powerless... I want to be morg just long enough to land her snare, then I want to jump into our tank, have him stand in front of me, then flick back to my carry and then do damage, but no one wants to be where they should be and no one wants to play this game right...

The further down I descend in bronze, it's like the people on my team get worse, but the other team stays the same as when I was in bronze one. Yeah, over the course of the last month I've been demoted a grand total of 6 times. I haven't won a game in a week, my teams think that one kill is gg and we lose because no one keeps high morale no matter how much I try to keep it up; they just don't listen when I say it's not over. And because they don't believe me, it comes to pass...

Can someone please help me... somehow. I don't want free elo. I know I'm a good player, but I just can't play this game 10v1.... it's how it feels when your whole team feeds. It practically doubles the size of the enemy team, and leaves you all alone... the one person that knows what they're doing...

19 Comments

hh the thinker3/21/2015, 5:56:39 AM3 votes

believe it or not, if you are going down in the ranks, you are doing something wrong. also, if you are going down In the ranks, the other team is getting worse and if you don't see that, then it's just you not seeing it.

one thing that helps sometimes is to just relax and not go try hard, but keep trying. it can sound a bit silly, but if you are so focus on winning, one mistake can put you on tilt sometimes.

main thing is, if you are going down, it's not your teams, it's most likely you. it often means you are on tilt, you are unlucky (this doesn't last too long), or you are simply not good enough to win at those games which means you need to improve more.

hh the thinker3/21/2015, 11:11:05 PM2 votes

it's not about winning all of your games, it's about winning about 60% to 70% if you want to climb. if you want to stay were you are, you need to win 50%.

while no one is saying it's 100% your fault for every game, it's your fault for the rank you have since you get that over many games. even if you have teams that feed every game, it would mean that at your elo, it's easy to kill them and that you aren't taking some free kills because you may just not see them.

if you want to carry about every game I bronze, you need to get ahead early, and this can be hard to do if you don't see their mistakes.

playing in bronze, you could get just as fed as the other team gets from your team, you just don't see the mistakes as easily. this is where learning comes in. you have to watch for positioning, and not just yours, but your team's and the other team's. you have to poke whenever it's free and force poke them if you win in trades so they are either low in lane or you force them back and get ahead in cs.

basically, you have to get a lead one way or another, and then you have to push that lead more and more.

if you manage to win about 70% of your games, then you will climb and should be happy and not worry about the 30%. if you have less than 50%, then you are making game mistakes overall that's bring your team down (even if your KDA is good and you aren't feeding, this doesn't mean you are helping your team).

the other thing is playing consistently. if you have a bad game and lose it for your team, you saying it happens is both true and can be a problem since the game might have been easily won. the next game might be much harder and a loss which equals two losses instead of 1 for 1 which is even.

to climb, you really have to win almost all of the easy wins, and some of the hard wins. 50% of games are hard, 50% easy (even if it doesn't feel that way). if you have less than 50%, you are losing about all of the hard games and some easy games also. mmr can play a part of this also, but having low mmr, games should become easier and high mmr for your rank, games become harder.

you should also look at the reason you want to climb. if it's to get good teams that do well in lane, this kind of doesn't change as people lose lane sometimes, it happens. if it's to face harder games, then that's a good goal, but it sounds like you have good practice at your point so far. the only thing that really changes the higher you go is that you get harder games. that's about it. they don't get easier because better teams because the other team also improves as well.

if you want help, I could watch you play a game of ADC or something and let you know what you need to work on. just add: hh the thinker or reply here and I should see it.

Iridis3/22/2015, 2:32:11 AM1 votes

I used to get upset over losses before I took up ranked in Season 4 (I joined in the pre-season). I found that my solution to this was to admit to myself that I am not good at this game, and that I can improve. You saying "I am a good player" - sure you might be a good player, but you are in bronze. You have a lot to improve upon. I would always blame myself for my deaths in normals before I played my first ranked game. It made me not get angry at other players, but instead I would look at my plays and understand what I did wrong. If you truly have the mechanical prowess to climb out of bronze, that is exactly what will happen.

If someone is being rude to you, just mute them. There is a command /mute all for a reason, and you can use it if you don't want to talk to your team mates at all. Other than that, refrain from saying anything to them that is negative. Even giving someone in bronze "tips" can be perceived as being mean to someone that is on tilt. A positive attitude will go a long way, especially if you are winning your lane and are positive towards your teammates that aren't doing so well. If you are winning your lane then ROAM and help them. If you are a jungler and your mid lane gets first blood on its own, camp that guy and get him fed. Secure early dragons. On most junglers, I get dragon at level 5.

I looked over some of your recent matches as well. I'm going to say this as nicely as I can: but you need to work on your decision making I believe. In many of these games, you have 10+ deaths with less than 7 kills. The kills part isn't that concerning, especially if you're losing. But you should try to play more safely if you notice that you have a lot of deaths. Don't go into risky situations without vision. You can't say that it's ONLY your team when you have contributed ~25% of the kills to the enemy team. Sure, help your team if you can, but if you know that you'll die if you help them, don't do it. Sometimes, people get caught, but that doesn't mean that you need to run into their Sejuani, Oriana, and Morgana as Sion without vision.

Also, I know you've probably heard this like a million times, but practice your csing. You say that one double kill happens and Vayne cannot be shut down. What if you are a fed Zed that is 3/0 in lane and you roam bottom with the jungler? Well, RIP Vayne if you do it right. 1 kill = roughly 13 cs, which 2 waves of minions. So say, you're 3/0 and you have 135 cs at 20 mins (I'm being realistic). Your enemy is 1/3 with 90 cs. That means that you have the gold of being 6/0 plus a little bit more, like 150 more gold. So you should go in a custom and practice. It can help you carry. You can carry in bronze, no matter how bad your team mates are. If you are strong enough to help them get kills in team fights and single out members of their team. If you start winning team fights, your team mates will get kills, helping them to catch up.

One more thing, when their fed champion is an ADC, build armor. You were playing Sion in one game (I know I'm using this example a lot), and their AD Ezreal was 15/3/10. You didn't have any armor. You had a Banshee's Veil, a Warmog's, and another Spectare's Cowl. It would have been more useful to get your Banshee's but instead of more MR, get a Randuin's Omen. In another game, when Kassadin was 10/3, you built Randuin's Omen; it would have been more useful to invest in a Banshees' Veil or a Spirit Visage.

I know I am pointing a lot of mistakes out on here, and I am not trying to be rude or anything. I am actually trying to help you. I was Gold last season, but I think that I have improved since then by playing normal games recently and analyzing my own games.

TL;DR: Work on dying less, csing more, building for the fed members. Work on focusing on your own game and not raging. Help your team and be positive.

Iridis3/22/2015, 6:19:24 AM1 votes

You're welcome for the tips; I like to help people improve, so I'm glad you liked it. To solo dragon, I don't think you need to use your passive to do it. It's alright to do that at level 1 on a camp if you're a top laner to get that early level 2, but if you're a jungler, there's so much chance the enemy jungler could steal the dragon when you're dead. I doubt they would even be there before level 5 though. I still wouldn't suggest it. If you don't want to solo it, gank bot. They will most likely back if they blow summs/get low. Then you get drag. Make sure you get a item 3341 to check if there are any wards. Good luck on climbing, I hope you get to the rank that you want~