Help creating a small champion pool for myself...

Wyenot·12/4/2014, 12:47:11 AM·2 votes·2,598 views

Hey friends, I am trying to develop a roster of champions that I can practice/master in solo queue so that I can climb the ladder this next season. I'm trying to only have 2-3 per lane or role that I'd like to get better at.

I am struggling because I don't really know how to pick those champions. Should I pick ones that I like? Should I look at winrate, or not worry because taht will come up as I get better? Should I pick a main and a back up? Should I pick for versatility (like having an ad character and then an ap character or a carry and a tank)? I ask myself these questions and then I feel like I get overwhelmed with champions trying to satisfy champions that I like and being valuable to my team.

So if there are some good guidelines I can follow when selecting my champions like only ones I like or pick for variety to fill roles. I'd also like to mention that Riven is my favorite, however I would like to play mid lane because I feel like I can better help my team and "carry" from there, but she plays top most of the time and I feel like maining Riven mid is kind of a strange thing?

One last thing the lanes I'd like to main or become good in are Mid and ADC, however my favorite champion goes Top so I'd also like to set up for Top also. Jungle and Support are my less favorites.

24 Comments

City of Toronto12/4/2014, 12:53:32 AM5 votes

I find that if you want to climb, learn to play off-meta or more uncommon champions. If you can master a champion that is never banned and people don't usually play against, you hold the advantage.

e.g. nobody really plays Viktor. When I run into an experienced Viktor main, I have no idea how to fight him or what exactly his skills do. He then usually proceeds to rape my team.

Cale01712/4/2014, 3:59:40 AM2 votes

Generally speaking you want to start out by picking champions that you enjoy playing, because they're who you'll naturally have an easier time with even if they aren't strictly the best power picks you could go with. Start with that while you get more comfortable with build paths and playstyles, and eventually open yourself up to trying champions who have kits you aren't quite as familiar with or enjoy quite as much, but can make a much larger impact on a match.

You'd be surprised at what you learn to enjoy once you've mastered the basics with someone else. For instance, when I started learning top I did so with Shyvana back in season 3 when she was in a better place than she is now. I thoroughly enjoyed her kit, and I still do, but eventually I had to admit that while she was really fun for me to play, and I had learned how to use her to disrupt enemy teams and protect my carries or mop up fights, she had no real utility built into her kit to capitalize on outside of a meh knockup from her ult. So I branched out and started learning champions with a bit more capabilities, like Riven (RIP season 3 Riven), Wukong, and Teemo. Since then I've switched from being a top main to a jungle main, but I've made sure that I'm at least competent with most top laners.

Outside of what you enjoy, or can learn to enjoy, you do need to pay attention to who's popular and why they are. Renekton can be a powerful pick because he can out-sustain most other top laners while still dealing a good amount of damage. However, he falls off in the late game pretty hard. On the other hand, someone who's more worried about a late game comp might go with Jax, who starts off a bit weak but rapidly hits his power curve around the midgame, and can go hyper carry by the end of one. The main reason you want to know who's strong and why is because you want to make sure you can counter where possible, and that means you need to have more than just two or three champions available. It's a good starting point, but you'll naturally accrue more you feel confident with as time goes by so don't rush yourself.

It's good that you're already considering versatility, because that's one of the main things the top lane is there for alongside the jungle. Midlane will always be a squishy AP caster, be they assassin or mage. Bottom lane will always have a glass cannon ADC and a support with varying levels of tankiness and utility. But the top lane, and the jungle, both give opportunity to play pretty much any role in the game provided it syncs up well with your team, and you don't counter yourself. This is where a deeper champion pool really comes into play. You want to have multiple champions you can play for any role you might have to in the top lane, because you never know what your team might end up needing during champ select, and you won't know who you're fighting until that point either. An enemy that one fighter might be weak against another might be strong against, and you have to be ready for that. As well you need to make sure that whoever you pick has synergy with your allies if at all possible.

I should probably point out to you now that there's no such thing as having one role help the team and carry more than another. I can't tell you how many matches I've carried as a tanky Volibear in the jungle, as a slippery top lane Teemo, or as a wall of "you aren't touching my team" with support Thresh. Who and where you're playing isn't as important as how you're playing. There's a good reason Riot removed the name "carry" from champion descriptions: anyone can carry with any champion provided they know what they're doing and work with their team. I'm not saying you're wrong for wanting to play mid, but don't hold yourself back with that sort of a mindset.

Don't main Riven mid though lol. The idea got a bit popular during season 4 but fell off just as quick. It CAN work, but only in certain situations.

But yeah. The main things you need to worry about are whether or not you enjoy a champion, their current standing, and whether or not they can work with their team. Let your champion pool deepen at it's own rate and you'll do fine.

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Daishø12/4/2014, 2:47:26 AM1 votes

It always depends on the matchup. I'm an experienced zed main, but i would never match him up with lets say, a oriannna. It matters. Usually, melee champs don't do to hot against ranged champs. I would also try to master 1 or 2 off meta picks. I almost never see annie mids now, but she is still insanely good. try to master champs your already good with, then have a general understanding on how to play or champs that do better in a certain matchup then your mains. I main yas and zed, but i have a general understanding on how to play annie, ori, viktor, akali if i have a matchup that would heavily favor these champs.

ValyrianBlade12/4/2014, 1:51:59 AM1 votes

I think Here's a good strategy for filling out a champion pool: Main roles (2-3 roles): start with your favorite champion in each role. So for you, this would be riven top, riven mid, and something adc. continue with one or two strong meta picks for each role, preferably not someone who's OP but someone who's kit contains something consistently found valuable: examples include maokai top for his damage reduction and tanky skillset, caitlyn adc due to her long base range, etc... Finally, pick someone who counters one or both of the previous champions (if one, the one that's less frequently banned). The purpose here is you're going to focus on those first 2, but if one is banned and the other picked, you have a counter to pick.

E.g. For adcs, when tristana was really meta, my adc picks were tristana and caitlyn. Tristana was frequently banned, but I frequently got caitlyn. If caitlyn was picked, I had sivir as a hard counter to her.

Of these, play your favorites the most, pick the meta picks when your team is mostly off meta (it seems that off meta only really works when not the whole team is doing it), and obviously pick the counter when they take your pick.

For your off roles: Pick one favorite and one champion you like who is reasonably meta. Play the favorite when forced to, and the other when your favorite is unavailable. You want a meta champion for your second choice as typically you can get away with more mistakes on a meta champion - you will make lots of mistakes in your off roles.

I hope this helps.

Toshihik012/4/2014, 12:57:24 AM1 votes

Look for the most commonly played champions and start there, those are usualy safe picks. Or just play whatever you like, and train with those champions. I recommend never having main champions so you learn to play the game itself better.

Siachi12/4/2014, 1:21:47 AM1 votes

Keep in mind, I don't play Ranked games, so you should probably listen to someone with more experience.

I feel like, early on, you should focus more on champions you think are fun to play, as long as you have a champion to play for each role. I feel like having fun with a champion inspires you to get better at them: Say you're not a great jungler, but you have a lot of fun playing Vi and think she has an awesome character, so you start putting more effort into learning the role to get better at her.

I wouldn't worry too much about individual champion win-rates: Those fluctuate every patch, so what's strong one patch might get nerfed to obscurity the next patch. Of course, if a champion you think has a really fun playstyle just happens to be strong, there's nothing wrong with that, but you might want to brace yourself for when they might get nerfed anyway, and adapt to the changes. (Any fan of Kha'Zix or Yasuo can attest to that)

Later on, when you've got a group of champions your comfortable with, then I'd look into getting more versatility, but still try to find champs that interest you, that just happen to add versatility. For example, say your favorite ADC turns out to be Kog'maw, it wouldn't hurt to look into ADCs that are stronger early game like Caitlyn or Corki (I'm not actually sure if Corki is strong early game, sorry), or more mobile ADCs like Ezreal or Lucian.

EDIT: And honestly, since you want to work more on mid-lane, you're not going to be starving when it comes to variety. There's damage focused mages like Xerath or Brand, utility mages like Orianna or Lissandra, Assassins like Fizz and Zed, and a few other categories.

Not sure if any of this helps; like I said I don't actually play Ranked, so I'm basically trying to add to a conversation I'm really not educated on.