help on getting better at positioning
Im relatively new to lol. Im looking for general tips on getting positioning and knowing when I'm overextending for cs.
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it all comes with experience. If you don't know what you can do, or what the opponent can do (if they're good), then it's hard to know where to position. It's very hard to say in general what good positioning is. It's also different for different roles. A tank obviously wants to be in the middle of everything disrupting the opponents as much as possible while avoiding death. Assassins and bruisers want to find an opening to kill squishies in the back. ADCs should stand in the back and hit the closest target (in general) while supports stay close to the adc and keep anyone off of him. But there are very general and aren't always the best in every situation.
For laning, you need experience to know if your opponent can do more damage to you, or if you can do more damage to them, what the range of their abilities are, etc. Generally in top and bottom lane, you want to have bush control though. It's always easier to take the opponent by surprise or make plays when you're closer to the bush than they are. You can play cute vision games from them.
You might want to start with a range champion as you are generally safer standing further back to cs. If potential gank paths aren't warded/you don't know where an opponent is, then anything past mid way in the lane is "overextending".
Positioning is a very situational affair, but you should generally stay as far away from your enemy as you can unless you plan to attack them. If you plan to poke them, try to keep them at roughly your maximum attack range, so you can easily step up for an attack or two without bringing undue risk. If they tend to poke or engage hard, stay outside their range and dodge as well as you can. Don't attack your enemies while you are standing in their minion wave, or their minions will attack you and do a fair amount of damage. Regardless of your lane situation, don't push your lane unless you have vision enough to guarantee none of their teammates can gank you without enough warning for you to get to safety.
I'd be happy to offer more specific advice, if it would helpful. What specific roles or champions do you play or play against?
ur new so.. i would never overextend for cs just forget it even in SILVER, lol i can miss like 20 cs and it wouldnt even matter however in higher lvl plays, missing just abit of cs is apparently very significant...
so till you get there, I wouldnt worry bout it
Generally speaking, if you're going farther than the halfway point of your lane then you're overextending for minions. Try not to do so whenever you can, as overextending opens you up to enemy laner harass and minion aggro.
The easiest first step to take for positioning is to actively watch to make sure that you always have minions between you and your lane opponent whenever possible. This keeps people from being able to land easy skillshots on you, and makes it so that if someone dives you they're certain to aggro any of your minions nearby. Once you've got a firm grasp on keeping moving and keeping minions between the two of you, start trying to do the same but also keeping the minions between you and the path a jungler might take to gank. So if you're playing top lane, you want to try and keep on the upper side of your minion waves as much as possible. If you're in bottom lane, try and keep closer to the bottom part of the wave. If you're in mid lane, just try and keep centerish behind your wave.
Knowing what to expect from your enemy can go a long way for positioning. For instance, if you're against a Veigar you know that his Q's range is actually pretty awful, so you can predict when he's trying to land it if he's moving in past his max AA range to toss something at you. If you're against a Wukong, you know that once he reaches a certain range he can quite easily use his E to jump to either you directly or a minion near you and get some free damage on you, so you can keep away from groups of your own minions when possible, and keep yourself out of range of his leap otherwise. If you're against a Caitlyn, you know that her Q has a simply amazing range so you want to try and keep out of a line that would connect you to her while also going through your wave, so she would get farm and harass you if you're in that line. Once you know what to expect from enemy champions, you can start using that to your advantage. Give Caitlyn what appears to be an easy shot only to juke out of the way, making her miss, waste mana and put her best harass on CD while she's pushing the wave and giving you an easier time farming, for instance.
While you're learning, positioning can seem like a pretty core mechanic that's very hard to wrap your head around but it isn't really as complicated as it might seem. A lot of what you see with people who have bad positioning is more because they didn't know what to expect from an enemy and open themselves up. Once you get more familiar with the game, and a lot of champion's kits become second nature to you at a glance you get much better at predicting what they're going to do and you can position yourself accordingly.
Good luck!