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I need to learn how to hard carry

Dr Endeavor··1 votes·769 views

I'll start off by saying I know some of the big solo Q carries are people like Tryn, Akali, Zed, Kat etc etc, but I want to hear what people think are the hardest of the hard carries.

I normally play heavy utility and supporting champs. I like having a lot of CC, making plays, and turning a bad situation into a recovered or good situation.

Generally I can fill any role, ADC being my weakest... but most the time in any position I don't feel like my decisions have a whole lot of weight.

So I am looking to try to learn some of what you guys think are the hardest carriers in the game. I'm talking about when fecal matter hits the rotating occilator, I can at least make an attempt to wrap up the game solo. A few of the "carry" champs I have experience with is Nasus, Wukong, and I guess Shyvana... but again it never feels like I am big enough to change the tide of a bad game.

TL;DR Help a guy find a champ pool to turn around more games when they don't go so well

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Linna Excel2 votes

TL;DR Help a guy find a champ pool to turn around more games when they don't go so well

This is less about a champion pool and more about a player. I guess the best champions for this is teamfighters that don't require a lot of gold. Teamfights win games far more often than they should.

There's another component and that's being able to take out the champs that are carrying the other team or is at least fed.

However to turn a game around, your team needs to be able to fight as a team and win, even with a gold deficit. That's not a champ, that's a skill. Even if you go 1 for 1 with the player carrying their team, if your team can't teamfight and theirs can, you guys are still screwed.

So maybe you'll think "I'll just splitpush". It isn't that easy. Especially when your team wants to initiate a 4v5 without you. What usually happens is your team will start a 4v5, die without getting a kill, and you are screwed. Worse yet, they won't know how to delay, disengage, and keep the other team's attention while you split push so even if you are lucky enough that they don't start a lost fight, they won't be able to prevent one either.

My best advice is learn how to win your lane and then learn how to team fight. Learn how to start a team fight and learn how to keep one from starting.

Dr Endeavor1 votes

TL;DR Help a guy find a champ pool to turn around more games when they don't go so well

This is less about a champion pool and more about a player. I guess the best champions for this is teamfighters that don't require a lot of gold. Teamfights win games far more often than they should.

There's another component and that's being able to take out the champs that are carrying the other team or is at least fed.

However to turn a game around, your team needs to be able to fight as a team and win, even with a gold deficit. That's not a champ, that's a skill. Even if you go 1 for 1 with the player carrying their team, if your team can't teamfight and theirs can, you guys are still screwed.

So maybe you'll think "I'll just splitpush". It isn't that easy. Especially when your team wants to initiate a 4v5 without you. What usually happens is your team will start a 4v5, die without getting a kill, and you are screwed. Worse yet, they won't know how to delay, disengage, and keep the other team's attention while you split push so even if you are lucky enough that they don't start a lost fight, they won't be able to prevent one either.

My best advice is learn how to win your lane and then learn how to team fight. Learn how to start a team fight and learn how to keep one from starting.

A lot of the champs I play I manage to win my lane. My issue is even if I go 8/0, most the champs I play cant carry hard enough to turn around games where the rest of my team didn't do so well.

Example - One time I went like 10/0 against a Riven as Chogath, absolutely demolished her... she couldn't even farm under tower without me killing her, and the jungler also if he bothered to try and save her. At one point she rage quit, and the game became 4 vs 5. Even though I was extremely fed, had high cs and items... I couldn't carry everyone else that did very poorly.

My cooldowns were too long, their team work was really well organized and they focused/tried to catch me out a lot, and my team was like a bunch of paper bags to their damage. Now I have watched games where Akali is behind, or leblanc, or katarina... and a double becomes a triple... and then a quad. Next thing you know she is penta killing the enemy team on her own.

Again TL;DR - I know skill is involved, but there are champs that carry harder than others... that's a fact.

Crystalyst2 votes

I've been watching http://www.twitch.tv/thornswitcher for past few days. I strongly encourage it. He teaches how to carry in Bot lane and will help you improve your ADC gameplay. You can even submit replays.

Dr Endeavor1 votes

I've been watching http://www.twitch.tv/thornswitcher for past few days. I strongly encourage it. He teaches how to carry in Bot lane and will help you improve your ADC gameplay. You can even submit replays.

Have to give it a look. I do really well in lane as ADC (good cs, trade, win fights, stay aware of ganks myself). But then when team fighting starts, my damage feels weak, and I feel like I poof if anyone on the enemy team even looks at me. Some of it is because at my elo no one bothers to protect the ADC, but the majority of it is because I dont know what to do until I am like 5 items + lol

Dont Smite Me1 votes

play yi every day <3

Dr Endeavor1 votes

play yi every day <3

I have seen Yi wreck teams as well, but I think you would REALLY have to choose your battles with him. I've played against enough Yi players to see what happens when you just go ham all the time lol

Dont Smite Me1 votes

Yeah but once you have played him egnoph you will know when you can go ham all the time . Like i like playing him beacuse for me at least i like it cuz 1 ylu run fast 2 you fond some one you kill them if they bring friends kill them too

Drunk Rummate1 votes

you don't have to super hard carry to win games. it's really only maybe one in a dozen games that are won in that fashion.

what you want to do is pick a champion that you can consistently win lane with and has enough mobility to gank other lanes OR is capable of fast pushing your opponent's tower to open up roaming for you.

Example: Top lane Jayce. You certainly won't be 1v5ing with Jayce unless you're disgustingly far ahead, but you'll win lane against most champs because he's a bully, you'll take the tower super fast with his W, he's pretty speedy due to his passive and E allowing him to roam a lot, and he can force people off of towers with his range form Q.

Dr Endeavor1 votes

you don't have to super hard carry to win games. it's really only maybe one in a dozen games that are won in that fashion.

what you want to do is pick a champion that you can consistently win lane with and has enough mobility to gank other lanes OR is capable of fast pushing your opponent's tower to open up roaming for you.

Example: Top lane Jayce. You certainly won't be 1v5ing with Jayce unless you're disgustingly far ahead, but you'll win lane against most champs because he's a bully, you'll take the tower super fast with his W, he's pretty speedy due to his passive and E allowing him to roam a lot, and he can force people off of towers with his range form Q.

I do consistently well with all the champions I choose to play in ranked. The problem I have is that I don't feel like I have any weight when my whole team is behind, and it happens very often in my elo. I generally am ahead in kills, CS, and sometimes even take the enemy tower as far as laning. I roam when I can, usually help people get a kill or 2 and try to contest dragon whenever the majority of the enemy team is down.

But that's where all the good ends, and the bad begins. Team fighting starts... people keep getting caught out since no one will ward... people focus bad targets... or try to 1 vs 3+ people... so on, so forth even though we are behind. So I figure if I played champs that carried harder, it wouldn't matter what my team does or doesn't do.

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