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I feel like my inability to climb the ladder is completely out of my control.

Wyenot·12/10/2014, 7:25:59 AM·4 votes·2,653 views

I can focus on myself and do the 'right' thing in a game, but I just cannot get the interaction with my teammates right. I can't. My gameplay and how it connects to my teammates is something that I cannot improve and I don't know why.

If I try to be a shot caller, no one listens. Or they don't do their part in the objective. If I don't try to lead, no one else does and they just sit there and slowly and painfully lose the game.

If I try to gank and share my advantage, they don't follow up. Or they totally whiff when I try to let them have the kills. I don't even want the kills. I just want to win. That's all. I can function in the game without kills and solely on farm.

I'm not saying I am perfect. I'm not saying that it's not partially my fault that I lose. I just don't understand what I am supposed to do when it is blatantly someone else's fault.

People say to help your teammates, but it is impossible. They never listen. They argue. And if they are the type of player to be feeding in the first place, they aren't going to be able to accept my help.

I'm only one person and I am just so sick of playing shitty uphill battle games where it feels like I am the only one trying. I don't even mind losing. I mind that there are people who are awful teammates that are preventing me from improving. I don't care how good you are. A 4v5 is difficult to manage. Even if both teams have 5 players and one player is just so awful.

Sorry I am rambling, but I feel so stuck and its like no amount of attitude adjustment or focus on improvement is helping me get better or climb. I just feel stuck in gold 5 grinding on these games where my teammates just plain suck and it is so hard to manage.

I honestly would rather have a teammate that plays well and is a complete asshole than a nice guy who is in the wrong elo. Shits messed up.

14 Comments

Xtremey12/10/2014, 1:23:40 PM2 votes

"before you get to platinum, your team shouldnt even be a factor" - cowsep 2014

LiyV12/10/2014, 8:58:28 AM1 votes

im stuck in gold 5 but i feel like there to many elo boost people in that division thats it bro :( we can duo if u wanna i main adc

here my ign Just Play Smart

Leti the Yeti12/10/2014, 9:17:15 AM1 votes

hard to say... I do believe that not all games are winnable, im not miracle making jesus, and sometimes team throws games and therers nothing you can do bout it

but then we got those pro streamer smurfs going from bronze to plat in like 17 hours somehow ;l and alluvassudden everyone believes that its possible to carry yourself out of games

KOREA Blaze 42012/10/2014, 1:19:00 PM1 votes

High elo players can carry low elo games because they focus on advantages they can get themselves to carry the game essentially 1v5. Gain and push your leads and draw pressure to yourself. When you learn to handle it you'll climb the ladder quickly.

Also make sure you're playing champs that can carry. Strong Solo Q picks with mobility and outplay potential. Keep your champ pool small.

If you're a mid laner, roam and make plays bot with your lead. If you're a top laner, split push or group early with your lead. If you're a support, get deep and good vision of an area related to an objective you need/want, roam with jungler to make players, keep adc safe. If you're an adc, learn when and where to take towers, and keep your lane pushed. Jungling is hard to put in to simple terms because each game is situational, but basically you just look to set up plays for your solo lanes (or bot lane if it's possible) and transition it to bot lane ganks for objectives.

The harsh reality is your teammates do suck. And so do you, but that can change.

Zamiake12/10/2014, 1:22:57 PM1 votes

Maybe your teams gambits just suck. What you have to do is learn your gambits and then figure out what kind of gambits your enemys and teams use. You have to mold your self around what they do and gain the advantage

City of Toronto12/10/2014, 1:59:40 PM1 votes

You need to take a step back and think about what it takes to win the game. Here's the catch: I know you're already thinking about that. But you need to understand that you're not doing it right.

Take ANOTHER step back and think about the bigger picture. There's ALWAYS something you could be doing to win the game.

e.g. You are 0/4 after continuously getting ganked by the jungler. You may think you're doing the right thing by warding from then on, but instead you could be realizing a pattern here and warding inside the enemy jungle and calling your own jungler to 2v1 him. You realize your two mids double KO each other and you notice your enemy top laner has backed, you could go mid and push the enemy mid turret down in this time.

Lamfira12/10/2014, 5:30:40 PM1 votes

Sometimes the best way to share an advantage is just pressure. When people say to help your teammates, that means through gameplay. Not through the chat interface, talking to somebody isn't helping them.

If someone is feeding, it means they are being outskilled. Talking about it doesn't do shit. Shutting down the enemy mid and hunting the jungler will alleviate more pressure on the guy who is being targetted by the other team than telling him to stop building Armor items against an AP champ.

Also, a successful gank doesn't require a kill. It literally doesn't matter if your teammate whiffs, because you gank for map control and objectives. As long as the guy you are helping doesn't die (which does suck...) you still got the tower / dragon and that's what matters.

Don't try to give away the kills anymore, tbh. I know that's the top tier method, but the guys you are playing with can't handle it so just take the gold and let them have the assist. If someone comes to gank the lane and they get a kill, I'm still happy with the result. Because I also gain all that time where my enemy is not gaining anything and I am.

The Chin12/10/2014, 7:08:11 PM1 votes

I feel like you're just focusing on the negatives.

Yes I'm sure all those things do happen, but they also don't... not ALL the time, like you're suggesting.

Sure, sometimes when you gank people don't follow up, but usually they do, so stop focusing on negative results.

Paper112/10/2014, 8:01:40 PM1 votes

I have recently felt exactly the same thing in my diamond four/five games : About three months ago I started a really long losing streak. I took the time out of game to think properly about how this happened and I honestly felt (and still feel) that even though I definitely made mistakes, the other players on my team made more costly mistakes. As much as I attempted to use pings and communicate in a positive way, I kept losing games. soon enough I just lost patience and started being annoyed in games, so much so that I afked games that became very unlikely to recover from. it was so bad that I ended up getting a short chat restriction, which was, although deserved, it was also heavily influenced by how the game is designed to give victories and defeats in streaks (I don't have a citation for this, but it occurs so much for me at least to believe that it is not coincidental).

As soon as I realised this, I unfortunately have the view to not get too excited about winning streaks, because I feel that They don't really indicate how well I play. My only advice would be to take a break if you experience such streaks to not let the emotions cloud your decision making. Even if you feel like you have moved on from a bad game, subconsciously you may not have.

FederalSuper4212/10/2014, 8:00:32 AM1 votes

To climb the ladder you need to play at a level where the only thing that can happen is that the game will place you at a higher elo because it would be unfair to place you against lower elo players. Like, you play so well that you win almost every game and the game is like ''if I don't give this guy a higher elo the game will be unbalanced''.

NyNz MozaiX12/11/2014, 5:59:36 PM1 votes

i agree for the most part.

ok most of you are like putting michael jordan in a high school basketball team. of course he will win unless the other team pulls off some prolevel And1's. yes, if a plat or higher makes a smurf and plays ranked, they will be almost untouchable. if a master or challenger makes a smurf, well, league just forces enemy team to surrender before jungle spawns. theyre that good.

anyways, as far as the majority of players in the league community, they (we) all fall under the category of moving up in rank is quite hard, and even a reasonable superstition to believe its pure luck. my friend who invited me to league is gold, and he admits this to me all the time i ask the burning question of "why cant i rank higher!?!??!"

so, lets look at some reasons why so many players think this way.

According to the latest info (i say latest cuz i only been playing 3 months and so anything i know is "late"): http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/win-stats

blue team and purple team win ratios are about the same, a 3.6% difference. team builder shows purple team winning, a .5% difference which makes sense because team builder has a more even matchmaking system (at least rumor has it). so lets give the benefit of the doubt and say that average player wins 52% of their matches. this means that the team you get paired up with is slightly equal to your own level, making each team having a slightly even chance at winning. until you get a diamond smurf to mess it all up and rocket through the ranking system. but eventually, at their level, they start evening out on their win chance to about 50%.

your ranking is based on 3 thing.

the first and largest factor is skill. depending on your skill level, you will win more matches at lower tier ranked games. but the closer you get to your skill level, the more the next 2 factors play a larger and larger role and skill becomes less and less because you cant carry your team against 5 players that are as equally good as you.
teamwork/teamcomp. now that everyone you play with is at your skill level, you have to start relying on your team. sometimes you get teammates that just make your head throb at how they play. sometimes you synergize real well with your team, other times it seems while your team is all standing together in a 5v5, no one is playing off of each other.
luck/chance. you have no clue what team you are getting and facing. any match can play out differently. even against the odds, as not all matches are even, you can still come out ahead. likewise for the other team though. how do you increase your chances of winning though? look at that link i showed you.

getting first blood increases your chance of winning by 9%. getting first dragon boosts it by 20% not including first blood.

i cant tell you how many times i ping for my team to get dragon and they are like nahhh lets get this tower. umm. especially new dragon.. you want it over a tower. a lot of players dont realize the importance of dragon.

and lastly,

{quoted} "before you get to platinum, your team shouldnt even be a factor" - cowsep 2014

this doesnt really help, in fact, it might even be bad advice. it tells the new players "hey, dont work with your team. you dont need them until you get higher rank. just do everything yourself because thats what all the pros do."