Riven vs Akali: who wins?

Madman357·3/9/2015, 4:11:07 PM·1 votes·2,774 views

So I played this matchup today as the Riven and got absolutely destroyed by the Akali at all stages of the game. All she did was spam her Q at me and whenever I tried to A) farm or B) harass her she would just proc the Q that was on me and sometimes even hit me with another Q>AA combo before I got out. Nothing I did was capable of out damaging her enough and she had 5 pots + cloth armor to my 3 pots + long sword so had the advantage immediately anyways.

Bare in mind that I also had to leave my lane at level 2 to protect my Fid jungle from the enemy Shaco at our red, causing me to lose like a wave+ of EXP. Akali got 6 first, and proceeded to get a couple kills off me (even under turret) and then just roamed and killed everyone else.

Was I suppose to lose this matchup? Am I just a terrible player? Nothing I ever did compared to the damage she could dish out both burst wise and sustained wise, so im at a complete loss here.

5 Comments

Sir ArmaMalum3/9/2015, 4:26:24 PM3 votes

Usually it'd be given to the Riven, but I'm going to bet you did two things:

  1. Engaged in the middle of her minions. Minion damage early game does much much more damage than many realize. This is something to look out for especially for aggressive melee champs like Riven. Akali can reset minion aggro with her shroud stealth, and used right she can really use this to her advantage.

  2. Focused on trading instead of pushing. For numerous reasons an Akali will out-sustain you, especially with a cloth-5 start. So the best way to counter that is to push your wave, both for the same issue mentioned above as well as forcing her to use her Q, which is where Akali's pre-6 damage is locked away.

Riven by nature is feast-famine. And what that means is that they either do really well or really badly, nothing in between. A shut down Riven needs a huge burst of gold to get back on their feet. Whether it's through smart trading in-lane or jungle camps if you're Riven and not getting kills in top lane then you need to play very defensively and focus on farming.

ScreamPaste3/9/2015, 4:16:41 PM1 votes

You can't be afraid to trade on her as Riven, it's not an easy match up by any stretch due to Akali's damage and W, but if you shield the autoattack+mark detonation and land your combo on her you should come out ahead in damage. If you don't have your shield and she marks you, get back until it wears off.

If you can bully her back or kill her before six you win, if not you lose.

Madman3573/9/2015, 4:31:53 PM1 votes

Ok so basically aside from my own misplays the fact that I had to miss so much gold/exp in lane to save my fiddle really really hurt me in this matchup. Im prolly downplaying the amount of time I had to spend hovering around in the jungle to keep shaco off my fid though, cause it really was quite a while (fid let the red buff reset on him somehow -_-). I doubt ill be seeing this matchup against anytime soon but ill keep this in mind.

Sohleks3/9/2015, 5:58:50 PM1 votes

Riven should win vs. Akali, but it's definitely not a free win. You're supposed to get yourself an advantage before she hits 6 and gets some of her ult stacks. After that she is very strong 1v1, but still manageable for Riven (I think)

Leaving lane to chase Shaco was probably a questionable decision. Unfortunately jungle invades are really cheesy right now with how difficult it is to clear. Jungle Shaco is a menace in particular because even if the team tries to react to his invades he can escape easily. And if he doesn't invade his ganks can be very troublesome. Warding the side of your lane vs. shaco may only help so much; the more dastardly shacos can just run up the lane with his stealth and box behind you. Warding Shaco's jungle as a team can help you at least keep an eye of where he is on the map though, and warding the river or bush when you push up can at least help prevent him from flanking you without using his stealth so he can't use it as a gap closer during the gank after you flash/dash away. Enough about shaco though.

When you auto attack the enemy champion you'll draw minion aggro (ability damage does not draw aggro). When playing aggressive as a laner, especially a melee laner, especially a squishy melee laner, you have to respect enemy creeps. Particularly the ranged creeps (their damage is hard to kite). There are champions that can power through minions with their sustain, beefiness, and AoE damage like Renekton. But if you are not Renekton (or even if you are) you play around creeps in 3 different ways. Last hitting, pushing slowly or pushing crazy fast.

Fast pushing is only if your champion can AoE creeps fast and you just want to scale and pressure the enemy into being unable to attack you directly in your creeps. Your champion needs a lot of creep damage so you can delete the wave and reset if it's too close to their tower. This is just for getting past the early first couple levels and sneaking an early recall for pots to make a tougher lane easier.

Slow pushing is the standard aggressive strategy. This is where you maintain pushing slightly harder than your opponent. This gets you slight experience advantage so you have windows with a level advantage. This also gives you more creeps than your opponent to fight on your side making trades easier. The faster the push the bigger your temporary advantage, however the shorter it lasts (the weaker their creep line the sooner yours hits their tower). This is what I would do as Riven vs. Akali. Push slightly faster, attack her when she goes near your minions to last hit and definitely go on her when you have a level above her.

Freezing is for when you really respect your opponents skill level and that of the enemy jungle and his ganking power. And it's more for ranged champions who can poke easier. This is smarter the less mobile your champion is. So when you play Xerath or Lux mid or something.

I'm talking about the 3 above regarding the start of the lane, level 1.

Also remember, you generally don't want to leave your lane or recall when your wave is bigger but not at their tower. It'll push on its own deleting your farm and exp. If you pushed the lane a little vs. Akali then left to deal with Shaco you might have lost a ton of EXP if she last hitted only. Ideally you push the lane into tower before recalling or roaming, to minimize farm loss. Of course if you're too low hp you can't always do that, and dying sucks.

Drunk Rummate3/9/2015, 8:59:15 PM1 votes

trading with akali as riven is easy, especially pre6. Her Q harass on it's own can be annoying, but every time your E is up you get free damage on her:

E -> auto -> W and walk (or Q) away before your shield falls off. It's free damage that she can do literally nothing about. Even if she hits you back, your shield absorbs it. If you get her down to half HP then just all in her and she's done.

First item hexdrinker and you proceed to win the lane fairly easily. Your all in is stronger post 6 if you have detection, just make sure to grab a pink ward before you hit 6.