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Just some things that people should know if they plan on actually rising above silver

Lowvyr··34 votes·5,217 views

First thing: I should listen to myself, or maybe not listen to myself at all. I don't know. I'm an idiot.


  1. MasterYi is not a worthy ban.
  2. Teemo is not a worthy ban either.
  3. Aatrox Don't underestimate him.
  4. Don't fight your enemy laner unless you KNOW you can win. If you lose, and blame jungler, then please go away. Your kind is not permitted in silver. Please go back to bronze. Or cardboard.
  5. Your jungler DOES NOT have to gank. He should if he can, but he isn't required to.
  6. More than 2 or 3 pings consecutively and you are just being a disturbance.
  7. Don't trash your own team, and don't say "gg ez" post-game.
  8. Don't try to solo baron. Ever.
  9. If you die split pushing, don't whine and bitch, you set yourself up.
  10. Darius is not the best champion in the game.
  11. If your jungler dies to a jungle monster, don't laugh at him at first. Unless he does it again. Then forget he exists.
  12. If you play ADC, by proxy, you should know how to play Support. It's literally the same thing, but instead you try to set up kills for your ADC and protect them.
  13. It's not just the Support and Junglers job to ward. EVERYONE should be warding.
  14. Objectives win games, not kills.
  15. Dragon and Baron respawn, turrets don't.
  16. If you win a teamfight, push the lane out, don't go to baron or dragon, unless you really need Baron.
  17. Don't even start a game unless you have at least 45-70 mins. Games don't always end at 30 mins.
  18. If you die in lane, don't get discouraged! You can still come back, just play safe.
  19. If the enemy laner has a lot of poke, just dodge it, and poke back.
  20. All in only if you know you'll win.
  21. Don't turret dive unless you KNOW you can get out, preferably without having to flash.
  22. Flash isn't the only good summoner spell in game.
  23. Junglers MUST bring summoner 11. Even Shaco and Nunu.
  24. Rengar is not the best champion in the game either.
  25. Riven is still VERY viable.
  26. If your top laner goes bursty (Rengar Riven Nidalee Ryze Zed), then go as a tanky jungler (Maokai Volibear Udyr Nautilus Nasus JarvanIV Aatrox)
  27. item 3075 is very good against Aatrox Ashe Caitlyn Draven Ezreal Fiora Gangplank Graves Irelia Jayce Jinx KogMaw Lucian MasterYi MissFortune Nasus Nidalee Quinn Rengar Riven Shaco Sivir Teemo Tristana Trundle Tryndamere Twitch Varus Vayne Zed. It pretty much counters them all. Especially Fiora.
  28. Jax is pretty much the strongest counter to Fiora.
  29. If the enemy jungler is a higher level than yours, their smite is stronger. Keep that in mind when taking objectives.
  30. Junglers, for the fastest clear time, at level 1, your smite does 390 true damage, so when the monster goes below 391, you can smite it for the kill.
  31. Junglers, for faster clear times, as you are killing the last 1 or 2 monsters in a camp, walk away and hit them as you walk to get closer to your next objective as you kill it.
  32. Junglers, don't be afraid to smite wolves, wraiths, wight, or golems. It increases your clear time. Jungle monsters (Except Dragon, Baron, and Buffs) are on a 55 second cooldown. Your smite is on a 40 second cooldown. It will be back up before they even respawn. DON'T smite them if you are planning on going to a buff or Dragon/Baron right after.

I think that's a pretty comprehensive list of important things to know that aren't common sense, or even are, but are just overlooked.

If you notice anything wrong with it, tell me, and I'll add/fix it!

Just so you know, I'm silver 5, but I have trouble carrying games. Actually I do pretty bad. I'm not a good player, I have bad reaction times and a bad pc. In other words, don't trust anything I say.

75 Comments

DEN15 51211 votes
   16) If you win a teamfight, push the lane out, don't go to baron or dragon, unless you really need Baron.

Yeah... no.

Gotta turn that teamfight win into an objective Doesn't have to be dragon or baron, but for the love of god, get something. Don't just farm your lanes like nothing happened.

Brenticus1210 votes

I think the priorities should be towers though. If you have less towers down than the enemy team, go for the towers (Maybe get someone to split push other lanes and atleast get those towers low for an easy objective when splitpushing again). If you have around the same number of towers, dragon or Baron would be a good idea unless you're already into the inhibitor/nexus turret.

acepil0t1 votes

In solo q yes towers are much more effective, because it gives gold and directly gets you closer to winning the game. Dragon gives more gold and some exp, but a gold lead is often not maximized in solo q due to poor/suboptimal builds. Also, dragon doesn't directly bring you closer to winning the game.

Sansix4 votes

I think that's what he meant by pushing.

Grimspeake8 votes

33# Stop playing champions like zed or lee sin if ur not good with them.

OxBaker1 votes

Don't recall seeing any bad Free Win's...

The Chin6 votes

4 - Disagree. You should fight your enemy laner all the time. fight him so he doesn't get the cannon minion. fight him if he's out of position. Fight him if you've got a bunch of minions... A lot of times simply being more aggressive you can zone them off of a bunch of CS. The only time you SHOULDN'T fight your laner is if they've got 2 or more kills more than you (or an equilivant amount of CS) and they have a strong item lead over you. Or they've got a champ that hard counters you.

It'll be almost impossible to carry the game if you never fight in lane. That's how you get strong for the mid game. Best case scenario your team carries you to a win, but I'm sure you've realized by now that you can't always rely on your team to carry you.

for the same reason #20 is also wrong.

What you've got here is a guide for not throwing the game, but this is not a guide for winning the game.

Kaebi1 votes

facepalm rofl

The0therDad2 votes

Ok Read it again... It says "Don't fight your enemy laner unless you KNOW you can win. If you lose, and blame jungler, then please go away. Your kind is not permitted in silver. Please go back to bronze. Or cardboard."

Lets break this down. You say "you shouldn't fight your enemy laner unless you can lose, if you win, and don't blame the jungler, then please stick around, your kind is permitted"

OK, Being a little facetious.

But the main reason for this, is why would you attack your enemy KNOWING you could lose? Why would you even step towards a champ that has the curve on you? Now if you had a teammate on your six and KNOW you can win... then do it...

No one takes a turn in a car at 100mph when the sign clearly says 25... any one who has disagreed with that, you can see the tire marks leading to the guard rail.

The Chin1 votes

Well, it's VERY situational but a lot of the time I'll take a fight even if I have no clear edge. You'd be surprised how often you can zone someone off of cs and exp just by being the more aggressive one.

Again, super situational though... To say "don't ever fight unless you have an advantage" or even the opposite "fight whenever you can" both are wrong, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

so my point is it's not a great rule because too often there's exceptions to it.

It's kind of like saying; coffee is bad for your heart and it makes your breath smell bad, don't ever drink coffee. But there's plenty of valid reasons to drink coffee. Let's say you have to drive late at night and you're really tired, well it would be dangerous not to have a coffee. Or you've got a lot of work to get done but you're too tired, get a coffee.

The idea itself makes sense, but in reality there's too many exceptions for it to be a legitimate rule.

Bringing it back to league; when I play, my goal is to get a significant lead in lane phase so I can have a bigger impact in the mid game. Unless I'm playing a lane I'm not that comfortable in (top lane) then my goal is just not to feed. Otherwise I'm doing everything I can to get fed or shut my opponent down.

In my experience if you've got a 50/50 situation. Same items, same level, same amount of minions, champs of equal strength, you'll win 80% of the time just by making the first move. Which means yeah sometimes you will lose the trade, but the majority of the time you'll come out ahead.

semthews1 votes

Making the first move into 5 minions top lane is gonna lose your lane. Its about keeping track of your opposing laner's cooldowns, how big their minion wave is, are their summoners down, did they neglect to recall when you were forced to buy. If you're ever going ham in a 50/50 situation, you are never getting to plat.

The Chin1 votes

Probably true. I don't think actual 50/50 situations are very common tho. Usually there's some kind of advantage to press. I like to play lane bully champs so you kind of have to be aggressive, especially if you're playing against a late game champ

Gym Leader Yaki1 votes

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4 - Disagree. You should fight your enemy laner all the time. fight him so he doesn't get the cannon minion. fight him if he's out of position. Fight him if you've got a bunch of minions... A lot of times simply being more aggressive you can zone them off of a bunch of CS. The only time you SHOULDN'T fight your laner is if they've got 2 or more kills more than you (or an equilivant amount of CS) and they have a strong item lead over you. Or they've got a champ that hard counters you.

It'll be almost impossible to carry the game if you never fight in lane. That's how you get strong for the mid game. Best case scenario your team carries you to a win, but I'm sure you've realized by now that you can't always rely on your team to carry you.

for the same reason #20 is also wrong.

What you've got here is a guide for not throwing the game, but this is not a guide for winning the game.

I agree. OP needs to correct these two points.

Champion Skin6 votes

Thornmail is not very effective against teemo (unless he goes AD) as the damage from item 3075 is based on the auto attack damage (teemo's poison is not counted)

lol its georgie1 votes

0riley?

AbyssionKnight3 votes

I agree that you should always harass your lane opponent if you can. That doesn't mean go all in, just poke them, and make them hesitate to go for that cs, or hesitate to attack you.

Harass opens the opponent to all ins, and makes jungle ganks more likely to succeed.

I think a good way to practice harass without going all in is to play a champion with a weak early game. On those champions you can't all in and expect to win, while harassing and making a lane opponent hesitate to attack you really pays off.

Writing it out like that it seems kind of silly, but the rationale is that, if you can successfully harass and not feed with a very weak lane champion, then you should have no problem harassing and winning your lane with a stronger laning champion. You'll also have a clearer understanding of when you can and can't harass.

Spacesuit Spiff3 votes

I'm sure I could come up with another 200 entries for this list if I had the time, and they'd probably be less specific than yours. Such is league. The first step is to acknowledge that there actually is that much to know. The second is to acknowledge that if you aren't at least Diamond 1, you probably know very little of it (I'm plat, I got there by learning the macro parts of the game really well and when I go for diamond next season it'll mostly be a matter of studying).

Just some basic things for silvers: -Learn how to not throw games, and recognize when your allies will too so you can spam the ! ping (I'm remembering Bronze, where every game was decided by which adc would decide to go facecheck every bush in the enemy jungle lategame). -Learn how to not be heavy when you get behind. There are ways to comeback from 0/3, and they do not involve begging for ganks or trying to fight/farm normally. Just try to cs under your tower, kill your opponent if they get bored and dive you, and splitpush when your opponent leaves lane. -Learn how global pressure works. There's zero point in splitpushing and dragging 3 people top to stop you if the rest of your team is jungling. If one person is going to be applying pressure, everyone has to be or there's nothing stopping their whole team from collapsing on you. Don't splitpush unless your team is setting up to push the other side lane as 4. -Stay away from baron. It's a throw magnet and even if you get it, your team will probably get cocky and end up aced. Still happens a lot in plat. -Taking dragon stops the enemy team from taking it later, taking a turret opens up the map but you'll have to go further to get the next one. It's a very contextual choice. -Know when to, and not to, kill your opponent's turret, and know what to do after you do. That's enough for now.

The Soulforged3 votes

Supports aren't very similar to adc's at all... Setting up is a lot harder than right clicking and using ur point and click dmg abilities. It requires so much more than you think.

High Lord Blaze2 votes

Wow

Lowvyr1 votes

Is there an issue?

High Lord Blaze1 votes

Nah, just surprised at how accurate most of this is.

Marenjii2 votes

You are wrong on 28. It is a skill match up.

Lowvyr1 votes

Well his e blocks her ult, parry, dashes, so I'd say he counters her pretty hard. BUT I guess in the end, it does pretty much comedown to skill.

Marenjii2 votes

Well his e blocks her ult, parry, dashes, so I'd say he counters her pretty hard. BUT I guess in the end, it does pretty much comedown to skill.

Fiora unless bad is not ulting while his E is not on CD. Jax is also not using E until she attempts to ult unless bad. counterstrike does not counter Riposte. riposte is not an auto attack.

ChimeiTekinaNasu1 votes

So basically, Jax fights without E and Fiora fights without ult. When going all in, one is bound to use an ability first. Jax killing Fiora without using E or Fiora killing Jax without ult would be....weird. Like if neither never used those two abilities. One is bound to give in eventually.

ChimeiTekinaNasu1 votes

Actually. Fiora has Jax early levels. Later levels, Jax wins. So Jax only needs to survive early levels to bash her face in later.

Marenjii1 votes

Actually. Fiora has Jax early levels. Later levels, Jax wins. So Jax only needs to survive early levels to bash her face in later.

How so? By time Jax gets his items, and his ult active becomes stronger, Fiora has LW, and BC. Nothing changes later on. They both get exponentially more powerful, and it is still a skill fight. Unless of course he buys thornmail, but that is the item flat out hard countering her, not Jax beating her.

ChimeiTekinaNasu1 votes

How so? By time Jax gets his items, and his ult active becomes stronger, Fiora has LW, and BC.

Odd. That's the thing though. Fiora's don't usually build those items early on. She always goes for Hydra first. Around level 6, Jax would have BotRK and Fiora would have Hydra. Fiora would ult, then Jax dodges it, then ults and bashes her face in with his pole. His counterstrike counters her ult. http://elohell.net/league-of-legends-counterpicks/fiora-counters Even Jax is at the top of the list, and I have a friend that mains Fiora in ranked. He says Jax counters her but he's easy early levels. Her ult doesn't really do anything to him cause of his counterstrike. Even this dude says it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUD1ugUPTF4 2 year old video, but yeah.

Marenjii1 votes

How so? By time Jax gets his items, and his ult active becomes stronger, Fiora has LW, and BC.

Odd. That's the thing though. Fiora's don't usually build those items early on. She always goes for Hydra first. Around level 6, Jax would have BotRK and Fiora would have Hydra. Fiora would ult, then Jax dodges it, then ults and bashes her face in with his pole. His counterstrike counters her ult. http://elohell.net/league-of-legends-counterpicks/fiora-counters Even Jax is at the top of the list, and I have a friend that mains Fiora in ranked. He says Jax counters her but he's easy early levels. Her ult doesn't really do anything to him cause of his counterstrike. Even this dude says it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUD1ugUPTF4 2 year old video, but yeah.

Why is a good Fiora ulting Jax before he puts CS on cd? You even admitted Fiora has the advantage early level (which I do not agree) but then claim that at level 6 jax will win? Is 6 not an early level?

Counter websites are not very reliable, as there are almost no hard counters in league. Those websites are really just "i beat so and someasily with this person, so they are a counter." It does not work that way. Like how many times do I have to repeat that a Fiora that is not bad is not using her ult while CS is off CD? This is why it is a skill match up, because Jax also knows ( unless bad) not to use CS until Fiora ults. The fight is not a straightforward auto attack battle. That is why it is a skill match up. They have to do more than spam abilities and auto each other. Thy both have outplay potential over the other.

OhBoyItsaMegaman2 votes

Your Thornmail counter list is a bit silly. Teemo, Varus, Nidalee, Vayne? Irelia? Jayce?

Frozen Heart is a much less situational item for dealing with AA-heavy champions.

Sir Vejeiro3 votes

Those are 2 dif items... You get Frozen Heart when you want to reduce the number of auto attacks taken while Thornmail you want to take as many hits as you can.

OhBoyItsaMegaman3 votes

Unless you are playing a champion whose name rhymes with "yammus", you never really find yourself in a situation where you want to be attacked more.

Sir Vejeiro4 votes

Not really, i do that when i play Alistar, Shen, Leona, Braum and most tanks in general. For many times i got kills just walking by while being attacked.

Thornmail+Sunfire Cape is my option when i want to be attacked, otherwise i just build Frozen Heart + Randuins Omen when i want to stay on the back seat.

OhBoyItsaMegaman1 votes

I guess I didn't phrase that very well. I don't mean that you want the enemy to attack someone else instead of you, I mean that you never find yourself saying "The enemy is attacking me, but I really wish they were attacking me faster." (Exception: Yammus)

Spamming /laugh on Thornmail Leona and hoping the enemy focuses you sounds like fun but this is a thread about "rising above Silver" and unfortunately that is not how most people would accomplish that. FH remains an almost completely superior item outside of a few specific situations.

Duke Anax2 votes

And Galio, seriusly, it's rediculous when the enemy ADC (or even the tower) starts healing you.

ChimeiTekinaNasu1 votes

I don't mean that you want the enemy to attack someone else instead of you, I mean that you never find yourself saying "The enemy is attacking me, but I really wish they were attacking me faster." (Exception: Yammus)

Why not just say Rammus?? lol That's twice now

Ryu the first1 votes

Because Yammus sounds so much better tbh.

ChimeiTekinaNasu1 votes

lol. So where'd you get the name Yammus from? or you just felt like rhyming his name with a random word?

OhBoyItsaMegaman1 votes

Yeah, it was just me being silly.

TheI3igDaddy2 votes

You also pick Thornmail > FH if you're using a manaless tank like Renekton or Shen, then you don't have to waste money on mana you don't need.

kirbyzama2 votes

Number 19 is wildly unhelpful. Saying "just dodge it" is like saying "just don't die". It's far more complicated then that. A xerath has more poke than most champs and if you move up to harass back you will lose that trade more often then not. Also how much do you give up to avoid poke? Let him zone off cs? Is a cannon worth a xer q? Also trading back in a melee vs ranged match can be suicide. That is one of the reasons why Ryze got nerfed. In a poke heavy lane I would say avoid damage even if it means losing cs if you know you can kill them later. Example ahri vs xerath. Poke back if you can safely. Try not to let damage be free but sometimes it can't be helped.

Aside from that tip. I like the list. Anyone who still advocates for riven is okay in my book.

ChimeiTekinaNasu1 votes

Number 19 is wildly unhelpful. Saying "just dodge it" is like saying "just don't die". It's far more complicated then that. A xerath has more poke than most champs and if you move up to harass back you will lose that trade more often then not. Also how much do you give up to avoid poke? Let him zone off cs? Is a cannon worth a xer q? Also trading back in a melee vs ranged match can be suicide.

No. Xerath does not have more poke than most champs. You also need to know when to poke Xerath back instead of only dodging/taking his hits. He's not very mobile which is his weakness that you should take advantage of. Melee vs Xerath. Xerath can't do close combat, or rather, he's not good at it. So as a melee, you need to close that gap. To get a cannon minion and avoid his q, Katarina's or Akali's q can get it safely. Fizz can q the minion safely. If you think you might die from it, then e out. Though as Fizz, you punish Xerath's lack of mobility by poking him with your q. Then if he tries to stun you, you e and land on him and he can't do anything to you. Akali, you can always close the gap with shroud. When melee vs Xerath, punish him for his lack of mobility. Some champions, you need to know which ability to avoid. For Xerath, avoid his stun and you can fight him easily. Ahri, avoid charm and try to avoid the return damage of her q.

Rokon2 votes
  1. It's not just the Support and Junglers job to ward. EVERYONE should be warding.

And trinket alone doesn't cut it all the time. Upgrade it and if there's an Evelynn or a Shaco or Twitch or any other goes invisible and kills you in a second or jumps up on you unsuspecting...get pink wards!

warpenguin5552 votes

if anybody disagrees with 14 you dont deserve to move out of bronze. ever. there are so many people who will only go for kills and wonder why they lose.

semthews1 votes

But the penta is always worth

Marinaras Trench1 votes
  1. Don't try to solo baron. Ever. What if your Tryndamere? Or Fiddlesticks?
FantasySniper1 votes
  1. At really bad levels, he is, since he's hard to shut down in a world where no one wants to build tank and are incapable of peeling. Not saying I ban him, but I don't complain the one time a week I see him banned.

  2. Not really true, the mechanics involved in Supporting and the knowledge are vastly different from playing ADC. They only share a lane, not play styles.

  3. Take any objective. In fact, if you know you're not going to take a tower in time, just go ahead and take an easy and uncontested dragon/baron to deny them the opportunity.

  4. Please only take her top-lane, or mid if you're actually good at her. Every Riven jungler I've seen has sucked @ss.

  5. item 3110 > item 3075 Also, half of those champs are barely countered by Thorns, they sort of have half their damage, if not a great majority, loaded into their ability rotation.

  6. Actually, I think that smiting asap (if its not a buff/objective, because it can easily be contested) is a good way to clear. You won't be wasting any true damage and you will have smite up faster for your next clear. Edit: Less true with the new season, just smite when you can use the buffs however you want.

Otherwise, that's a pretty good list.

Terff1 votes

Thorns is amazing for AS champs, (master yi Aatrox etc) because of the 30% damage done back to them, you could probably shut down a fed yi easily with a team who has a atleast 3 to 4 thornmails (1 for each person)

FantasySniper1 votes

I know that, I was saying it doesn't work very against enemies who rely on their ability rotation, such as Nidalee, Zed, Ezreal, and Riven, just from the list he provided. Even Varus and Kog aren't hurt that hard by it.

Also, it's worthless against Teemo. Even with his AS based kit, a majority of his damage is magic damage and if you just spent all your gold on Thornmail, you're not countering him right.

Frozen heart gives the same amount of armor, but also with hefty CDR and some mana. It's passive is universally effective for teamfights, and it doesn't require you to be the target to punish them for relying on AS. Why bother forcing everyone to get a Thornmail, when just one person can get a Frozen Heart and help tank for them all at once?

StaggerWolf1 votes

#12 i find very untrue, support and adc are VERY different roles and by proxy doesnt fit how different you need to play the two of them. Also adc is mostly ranged damage and the play style is to stay on the edge of team fights, Support you could be ad, ap or tanky. you could be in the middle of the team fight or adding benefits from the side, either way adc players wont know support by proxy or vise versa.

As a support main, for the longest time adc was my absolute worst role.

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