If you're solo laning and at an early disadvantage, it does *not* get easier over time.

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Except it rarely has anything to do with skill and everything to do with counter-picks. You get counter picked and it doesn't matter how well you play, you won't win the lane. Your only chance to stop them from free farming is a gank or 3. That's kinda the point of the jungler, to pick up slack or make plays happen where they otherwise would not happen. Problem is with the new jungle, unless you pick one of the 'god tier' junglers, ganks aren't happening to far later. Season 5 if a failure on so many levels.

Ahem, tell that to all the lanes i win as nasus against teemo and fiora. Counter picks don't instantly make it a loss. You can beat a counter, just play it right. Too many people think they can play into a counter just like any other champion, and they can't and that's why it's a counter. A counter makes you have to change your style of play specifically because of that champion, they are winnable (in fact I beat counters most of the time in this game because I adjust) you just have to change your play style and build, and if you don't do that well you'll never beat them or get anywhere.

Let me point something out for you. I tend to play mid lane, and use Ahri as my go-to champion. If she is banned, i tend to fall back to orianna. If either of them is picked, i go with Diana.

Honestly, unless the enemy laner is much better than i am, i don't lose mid lane in any of these matchups. Counterpick is a myth in silver. Yes there are hard matchups, but the only one i never seen someone lose is Nasus vs Irelia top. That's one matchup from like a thousand.

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Except it rarely has anything to do with skill and everything to do with counter-picks. You get counter picked and it doesn't matter how well you play, you won't win the lane. Your only chance to stop them from free farming is a gank or 3. That's kinda the point of the jungler, to pick up slack or make plays happen where they otherwise would not happen. Problem is with the new jungle, unless you pick one of the 'god tier' junglers, ganks aren't happening to far later. Season 5 if a failure on so many levels.

This is ignorant, primarily because you don't know any better.

Counter picking does not secure a lane at any given time, all it does is weigh the advantage to your side. Now what really matters is the skill level of the player.

If player X is playing Yasuo and he has a skill level of 2500 If player Y is playing Annie and he has a skill level of 1000

Yasuo will win if he knows the lane better.

For example, nooby little annie will max Q verse yasuo. Yasuo will never fight while her stun is up and annie will always waste it.

Still don't believe me? Go 1v1 a challenger player and counter them.

That first sentence could not be more wrong.

I got from Gold V to Plat V in 3 days (no joke) by playing only my favorite champs. Easiest wins in the world, and I even beat my counters.

zones ? lol nope I destroy her face and dominate game.

counterjungles ? lol nope I ward my own jungle and beat him in a duel and steal his buffs. Then dominate the game.

not a real support? lol wrong proceed to skip entire divisions by solely playing Sion support and wrecking conventional supports, getting my ADC and jungler fed to dominate the game.

The only thing stopping you from not winning your lane is your own skill level and how familiar you are with your own champ.
If you're good enough, anything can become 'god tier'. The only time counterpicks "matter more" than skill level is in the later stages of the game, and still if you're good enough you can overcome even those.

Lol @ the logic though "gotta pick the good champz"
"god-tier or go home"
"my ability to win lane or dominate jungle has nothing to do with my overall skill level" counters > skill level, so if I pick Lee Win I will instantly get to Diamond I amirite?

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This is true of all roles, whether or not you're in a solo lane or bottom lane. In fact being at a disadvantage in bottom lane is even more punishing because of the fact that the enemy lane has double the spells to punish you with.

And this is honestly not completely true Okami. I give you that picking Thresh is not a revealing pick and hard to counter, but there are plenty of picks that are really easy to counter in EVERY role. The best thing you can do at first pick is pick a hard champion to counter in any lane. Orianna mid, or Maokai/Gnar top. Lucian/Corki/Graves adc. Thresh support.

First picking akali, tryndamere, or vayne, or soraka is just asking to get fucking destroyed by the enemy team, in any role basically.

First, Soraka is (or was, at least) actually really strong and hard to counter if built right.

Second, unless you're high elo where everyone has a good grasp of each champion, someone picking to counter you will probably do horrible anyways.

I feel that the bottom roles are impacted by counters less because its 2v2 not 1v1 so good teamwork and synergy can fight counters. Even if a graves gets countered by a caitlyn, if graves is partnered with blitz or leona then graves has a chance in lane.

Junglers also arnt impacted by counters because direct contact between junglers is optional. A ganker is most likely to go after lanes instead and a jungler who is more into farming and cant kill the enemy jungler can counter jungle.

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As a jungle main, I never have people get mad at me for ignoring them and I'm one of the first people that will recognize when our jungler sucks(most of the time since preseason). People only tend to get mad when it looks like you are not caring about their lane IN FAVOR OF GAINING NO ADVANTAGES ELSEWHERE IN RETURN.

If you first pick a Warwick/Nocturne, your team is going to usually respect that and pick champions+play accordingly. If you last pick a weak early-ganker after your team just picked 4 weak laners, you are a dumb ass. If you pick a Jarvan/Pantheon and don't gank until level 6, you're bad. I don't care if you go 25-0, you're bad.

Most of the time, top lane is going to be decided as soon as someone gets a 1 kill or 20 cs lead. Often, that lead quickly snowballs out of control because a top laner can't even farm 1v1 against someone that is fed. They will die simply because of how long the lane is+they can't top off their health by backing often with how far away it is. If your top laner is pushed to turret and the enemy top laner is poised to dive them and barely get out alive with assistance pings flying as you walk toward your blue buff, you are an idiot. You are the one giving up top lane. Sometimes that's fine. Give up top lane to secure drag, to get bot fed, to take mid turret, but not to freaking farm or get your blue buff. Junglers these days(in silver/low gold) won't even stop farming to take dragon even at level 12. Seriously, I have seen first dragons go at level 12 TAKEN BY THE ADC with neither jungler ganking more than 3-4 times and not even being well-farmed or even warding the thing.

Jungler hate is not misplaced, it is the role that takes the most strategic planning and understanding of the game so don't play the role just because you don't know how to CS.

Doesn't apply to Silver. Players tend to have different philosophies of how to do things their way. That in itself isn't necessarily a bad thing, because you have to adapt to that or lose trying (and hopefully learn something from it), but it's certainly unreasonable to blame the jungler when you lose your lane, if for no other reason that the jungler is always going to be lower-level than the laners.

The only time a jungler is able to really do damage is if, and only if, they have at the very least Heavy Hands, and very preferably Crest of Cinders (but no one calls it that, not even Riot most of the time, that so let's just say Red Buff). Those two buffs combined are very deadly.

Having pointed that out, it can be catastrophic if the enemy jungler, knowing where you are at the time, uses the opportunity to take one of your jungle buffs (not that I don't throw wards all over it and a pink one by the red at all times just in case, but that doesn't mean they can't grab it and run before the laners even have a chance to react).

Junglers, particularly assassin-types, desperately need those buffs to function. It's crippling to the enemy jungler if you steal their red buff in particular, though it certainly helps to take the opportunity to take all the others at the same time.

There is no exception to that, those smite buffs are what give junglers their superpowers. Nocturne just can't reliably gank unless he's got at least one, preferably two of them.

If you're not a jungler by practice, at least notice how much more effective they are when buffed up than when not. Without any of them, they're going to struggle horribly.

S5 makes jungling harder than ever, but also way more critical to do. At the same time, it's never ideal to abandon clearing them to help a laner. That doesn't mean you shouldn't, it just means in a perfect game, a jungler wants to steal all the buffs, and then use those buffs to totally cripple the other jungler and become feared, as opposed to being hunted.