If you're solo laning and at an early disadvantage, it does *not* get easier over time.

SelflessTeammate·12/23/2014, 11:10:52 PM·23 votes·3,960 views

After getting a fake Verbal Abuse Report from someone who said they reported me not because of anything said, but because it was more severe than marking unskilled, I think this is worth mentioning. (Especially because I've never been reported before, ever. I kinda like my Honorable Opponent ribbon. I didn't even know they told you when that happened, I thought it was hidden until I saw the pop-up and then the taunt in the chat, but moving on.)

Don't return right back to the lane and continue to fight toe-to-toe with them.

Many players feel they should do this, and then wonder why, when they're three or more levels down, they continue to get demolished. They have lots of time during respawning to write out a lot of ellipses and "wow"s to express their surprise that it keeps happening.

As a primarily Nocturne jungler, I (or almost any jungler) can only help so much if a lane's suffering before I'm even level 6. It's extremely unlikely I can get a kill in for you. It's more likely I'll be able to hold them off from csing two whole waves and hold your lane or guard your turret from destruction until you get back. I might ward nearby for you if it was a gank to help prevent it in the future. That's feasible.

But that doesn't mean, when you get back to the lane, to keep doing exactly what you were doing when they get back with newer, better items...You know, the ones they purchased with the gold they got from you, which are now significantly better than yours. And they're at a level advantage. Which means they're much stronger than you.

I'm not a Nocturne pro, by any means. I'm Silver. But I don't think I deserve an allchatted "report noc", much less a faked Verbal Abuse report ("not because of that but because you wouldn't help enough", as one summoner said before leaving post-game) from a solo laner because the concept that it only gets harder the more you are killed, not easier, doesn't register. That's how feeding happens, and it isn't necessarily the jungler's fault you're feeding.

It really is OK to not go after your opposing enemy champion every time you hit the lane. Unless it gets to the point that it's so dangerous in your lane that you can't even farm it anymore, play a tiny bit more defensively. Kite them, stick by your turret, whatever, just don't dash into them.

Please feel that it's okay to guard your lane until help arrives. When your turret's near full health, it's cool to stay near it. You aren't required to engage the opposing champion repeatedly, and it is not the jungler's "job", as is sometimes said, to lane with you. There are other things junglers have to do which the enemy jungler is probably doing now, because they tend to be smart enough to know when a jungler's in one place, they aren't at any of the buffs, they're at a lane, something I like to avoid well before Paranoia pops up.

29 Comments

auyn12/24/2014, 12:48:40 AM7 votes

Thank you for saying this. As a jungler main, I always want to say something to those players who expect me to camp their lane because they can't hold their own against their laning opponent, even if I'm underleveled because of an invade or on the other side of the jungle clearing a buff.

The Chin12/24/2014, 5:04:25 AM5 votes

It's fine to be down in cs, to take harass, just don't feed!

Play smart.

ChexMex12/24/2014, 12:19:32 AM5 votes

Here's why 'it doesn't matter about early game'

There are only so many item slots that players can fill items with.

5000000-0 lucian will have the same items and damage as a 1000000-0 lucian, even if he has 5x less kills.

You are 0-3, either you played poorly or you are meant to lose lane (mundo vs riven, r.i.p mundo)

Play safe, hug tower, get as much farm as possible. don't bother calling up jungle because you might get him killed vs your fed top laner.

AFK Push12/25/2014, 1:35:17 AM2 votes

Been there done that. I will be clearing the first jungle clear and top or bot already dies. Then by the time they get back they usually do the same damn thing that got them killed. I am usually working on other lanes at that point, and when that person is beyond help, let them drown. I'm not saying to ignore somebody for dying once to their lane opponent, but if it is constantly happening, then let them fester and make other lanes win.

Okamikazi12/24/2014, 2:24:14 AM2 votes

S5 is going to be harder for laners who depend on junglers to bail them out. Even though the theme is strategic diversity many laners STILL expect to get a gank when they are losing. Its so stupid when those laners get countered in champ select and they expect you to help. Like whenever someone first picks Nasus and gets countered with any range champ or first picks Riven and gets countered with Teemo. It never occurs to these people that you should stop choosing them if they are picking first and should instead choose a role or champ that can farm well even when countered.

Roles that should be choosen if youre one of the first 3 pickers of your team to prevent countering: Jungle, Support, ADC.

By choosing Top lane as a first pick they are just asking for a loss as it can pull their jungler all the way to top lane allowing the enemies at bot to secure early dragons.

ImHerVoice12/23/2014, 11:55:27 PM2 votes

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OmegaKraid12/24/2014, 2:50:53 PM2 votes

As a Jungle main, I get frustrated and annoyed everytime I see the following in this regard. I don't play much ranked at the moment, but I've been playing with Gold team mates (which is my level) and this has happened SEVERAL TIMES YESTERDAY ALONE. I lost count of them doing it within the month.

Champion X (My team) gets into a scrap with Champion Y. (Their team) Champion X comes out losing the fight, but is still healthy and can continue farming. Champion X does it again, same result, almost dying. They're near Champion Y's turret and begs for gank. Champion X, 2 seconds later after begging for a gank, does it third time and dies. Enemy Laner is now ahead and buys new item. Champion X comes up, scraps again with Champion Y and loses the duel once again. Again, overextending near Champion's Y tower while also, again, begging for gank. At this point, I probably secured Dragon and and ganking/counterganking mid/bot.

I seriously don't understand this mentality. Thought I was the only one suffering this problem recently. Glad I'm not.

The worst thing though is Champion X could not even be a flamer or anything and is a decent guy and it's champion Z (on my team) who starts flaming instead causing negativity throughout the whole team.

We did win some of those games yesterday, telling them that because of Bot/Mid/Dragons, it's ok and they can attempt to catch up mid game and they're usually pretty good in acknowledging that in regard. Maybe I'm lucky with who I play with.

Jacky Shen12/24/2014, 1:37:09 AM2 votes

In this silver elo, the default response is "blame jungler". Because of course a lot of solo laners never want to admit that somebody's better than themselves or perhaps they're not playing so well in laning phase.

GGMystic12/25/2014, 3:31:10 AM1 votes

"Never gank a losing lane." This quote has always been in the back of my mind whenever I play jungle (Jungle main also). Nowadays, I've been just camping a losing lane if my teammate show signs of "The Next Time it will be Different" syndrome (more than 1 death from 1v1 fights). I don't see any reason to leave someone like that alone to feed in a lane. Logic dictates that you tell the teammate to farm under tower and gank the other two lanes, but when the teammate doesn't comply, you're left with either camping his lane or hoping that you can pull off some miraculous ganks in the other lanes just to balance everything out. Although there were some times where camping a losing lane resulted in multiple kills because the enemy was overconfident and assumed that a jungler would never camp a losing lane.

ChaoticPinecone12/24/2014, 7:53:09 AM1 votes

too generic of advice.

i know its an extreme example, but think of DruidDroid's proxy singed strategy. kills and deaths dont matter. gold does. if you are 0-3 with the same CS as the enemy who is 3-0, you can still fight them (gold difference is less than 1000). if you are down 50 cs, youre more than 1000 gold behind. in terms of gold, its better to get 20 cs and die than lose the 20 cs and stay alive.

feeding for CS means that 1 person on their team is fed, but you can fight the other 4. getting zoned off CS means that you cant fight anybody.

SpecterVonBaren12/24/2014, 8:00:13 AM1 votes

My philosophy is this, if I die once, it doesn't mean I can't take on the enemy laner, just be more careful, if I die twice though, then I'm hugging my turret unless my jungler decides to gank. If THAT fails, then its done, no more doing anything to the other lanner, I'm farming.

Deathless81C12/24/2014, 8:36:12 AM1 votes

What I always felt was odd about that was the solution is to cs. And yes sometimes you get that matchup where it was hard to cs but even then it is still good to learn how to cs through harass, when to fight for a certain minion, when to let one die,etc. Learning to farm well and farm under turret is the surest method to come back and be useful after a tough lane.

B3ER12/24/2014, 9:44:57 PM1 votes

Nasus I don't get it.

soulbanana812/23/2014, 11:41:28 PM1 votes

Well, pre-6, you kinda have to face them. But I agree that you should try and play passive if you're behind so that when the enemy goes aggressive at the wrong time, you can attempt to counter-engage.