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Ok so apprently bronze matches its all about you carrying and no team work

Lv16 Flaaffy··3 votes·1,291 views

So a diamond player told me. They said you cant rely on your team and you have to carry and how even no matter how bad the team is you can always carry, always- if you are that good.

Then I am told "teamwork op" by players in the boards.

Who the hell do I listen to?

I always reply with "if you've seen my attempts to communicate with the team in game chat then you'll realize how frustrating it is and why we lose".

Will I ever get a clear answer as to how to climb out of this "elo hell"? Team work? No team work and only selfishly carry myself? I just don't understand.

18 Comments

Serevas3 votes

Don't forget pure dumb luck of not getting awful teammates.

TMIT3 votes

You always try for teamwork, because there's only upside.

But if you're a diamond level player who hops on a bronze account, you will do a ton of carrying, typically by completely blowing someone up in lane and then taking your gold advantage to disrupt other lanes early, then using that advantage to get objective control. It would be very difficult for a bronze player to just stay even with a diamond player in lane.

The diamond player would still lose from AFK or spectacularly bad teams, but he'd win a rather overwhelming majority of his games all the same.

Part of carrying is teamwork though. If you're doing well and not being immature about it, players will typically at least attempt to do things if you request it, like take dragon, take a turret after a favorable team engage, or go for baron. If you combine that with how hard a top player would win lanes in low level games, you really would see a lot of carrying.

The fewer mistakes you make, the more you will win, and one of the most important skills to pick up in LoL is the ability to identify those mistakes because most people (myself included) make a ton of misjudgments across a game, and those are usually more costly than missing some CS (though good players don't miss much CS either, unless forced to miss it with a bad lane matchup).

Reformed Dunni1 votes

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You always try for teamwork, because there's only upside.

But if you're a diamond level player who hops on a bronze account, you will do a ton of carrying, typically by completely blowing someone up in lane and then taking your gold advantage to disrupt other lanes early, then using that advantage to get objective control. It would be very difficult for a bronze player to just stay even with a diamond player in lane.

The diamond player would still lose from AFK or spectacularly bad teams, but he'd win a rather overwhelming majority of his games all the same.

Part of carrying is teamwork though. If you're doing well and not being immature about it, players will typically at least attempt to do things if you request it, like take dragon, take a turret after a favorable team engage, or go for baron. If you combine that with how hard a top player would win lanes in low level games, you really would see a lot of carrying.

The fewer mistakes you make, the more you will win, and one of the most important skills to pick up in LoL is the ability to identify those mistakes because most people (myself included) make a ton of misjudgments across a game, and those are usually more costly than missing some CS (though good players don't miss much CS either, unless forced to miss it with a bad lane matchup).

You make some good points there now my post feel self-centered and of course you do still have to work with your team but Im just saying that you cant expect them to do anything so you have to be willing to make calls and carry.So a little bit of both

Grashnim3 votes

"Why I'm Bronze: Trolls AFKs Feeders Riot My mistakes"

OhBoyItsaMegaman3 votes

Imagine a hockey game where all 10 players are blindfolded. People bump into each other, skate into walls, lose track of the puck, shoot in the completely wrong direction, and just generally do an awful job.

You're one of those players, and you want to start winning. Someone suggests that you take off the blindfold. You explain that even if you could see, your teammates would still miss all of their shots. Well sure, but regardless, shouldn't you take off the blindfold? Ah, but if you tell your teammates to pass to you, they still end up passing to someone else or passing when there's someone in the way. Well yes, but even so you're massively better off without that blindfold. But, but, but I bet there will be times when it'll be really difficult to make a shot from where I am, so it's like do I try to make the shot myself or pass to one of my blindfolded teammates since either way I'm sure it's going to fail. INSTEAD OF WORRYING ABOUT IT, JUST TAKE OFF THE DAMN BLINDFOLD!

It doesn't matter if you try to carry or try to work as a team as long as your skill level is still Bronze. Improve yourself. Don't worry about specifically how you'll do better once you're a better player. Get better, and it will become obvious.

If you've ever watched a Challenger smurf in Bronze, it really is like watching someone play hockey with blindfolded people. There are tons of things that that person is doing that you're not. They have map awareness. They have game knowledge. They can cs. They can land skillshots. They know their damage capability. If you just start doing all the things they're doing, it won't matter whether you carry to victory or shotcall to victory. Everything you do will get you closer to victory.

There is a difference between "I want to climb" and "I want to get better." If you feel that you're already better than Bronze, and your teams are what's holding you back, you're only asking how to climb. You're keeping the blindfold on.

Ih8ucuzurtoxic2 votes

I've found that you should always try to carry. This works best when you have a champion that also boosts the entire team.

I've been up 12:2 on Diana and watched in horror as my team blew a 15:5 lead by running up mid one by one and dying to a 1v5. Nothing I could do because Diana can't really help her team all that much like that and unless they wanted to listen to my pings and chat they're dead ducks.

On the other hand, I do almost full AP Sona and have a near 90% win ratio on her because I'm constantly rushing around helping my team win lane and team fights by offering an incredible kit that boosts my entire team every time i cast a spell.

The truth is teamwork is OP. The easiest way I've found to carry is to play a champ that lends itself into carrying the team. Make your team WANT to be around you and play in a manner that boosts the teams power and you'll win more games. No man is a island. It's 5v5, not 5v1.

Reformed Dunni1 votes

Yes yes I had to figure it out myself you cant depend on your team in Bronze so yes you gotta carry you cant depend on your team to Ward Roam Group Split Play passive Play defensive I find its better to duo with someone you know about the same elo as you and practice with them

Duke Anax1 votes

My Tip: do something completely ridiculous and unexpected that has huge impact when it works. It usually will because no one knows how to deal with it.

Like Soraka Top. In toplane she actually get's gold to buy AP and with those AP she can save those suicidal teammaniacs. It's just normals for me, but sofar in 10 games I tried that, I have 10 wins.

FooDang1 votes

No one knows how to work as a team effectively in Bronze yet so...carry hard...

what you deserve1 votes

You want to duo. Don't soloqueue ever.

roroer1 votes

I still have to carry in diamond.

AwesomeChad1 votes

sorry but i'm another diamond player telling you that you have to carry each game as a 1v5. Teamwork exists in games where your team is willing to communicate and listen to each other. In my experience, bronze heavily lacks that. So pick up a champion that can snowball hard like katarina/master yi and focus on winning lane and snowballing that advantage to win the game.

TMIT2 votes

I am pretty sure that if you played in bronze as a support...

You'd still win a much higher than normal % of your games, especially if you broke out one that can punish bad positioning really obviously like Thresh or Blitz, or something like Annie to just slaughter.

Sure, you'd probably win 5% more often still with something like Kat, Riven, Yi, or Irelia, but I would wager diamond supports could carry bronze with no trouble at all. I'm not that good myself, but I've started looking over my games compared to better players and there are so many mistakes, big and small, that your tier doesn't make or makes extremely infrequently. Those things tend to add up in a hurry. I would be shocked if a diamond ADC or support couldn't win well over 60% of games in bronze/silver. I think it's easy for you guys to forget sometimes how routinely you do the little things correctly. Every bad trade, missed opportunity to take an easy dragon, missed early turret gold adds up, and unlike CS that stuff only starts showing up if you look for it.

A player who consistently avoids those mistakes is going to win at low levels, a lot. I don't care what role/champion it is. And I do think you're underrating the importance of directing teammates, even if it will feel like herding cats if you're a good player. A lot of low level players have no idea what they're doing and won't automatically execute teamwork nor execute it well when they try (also true for the other team though). It's not reasonable to expect them to just know what to do and react, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't point them in the direction of priority objectives at the right time. Basically, even getting them to attempt the correct action is more leadership than the other side is going to have, and that can easily be relevant. There's no downside to attempting said leadership as long as you're respectful in the approach.

AwesomeChad1 votes

The problem is that this only works under the assumption that your teammates communicate and listen to each other. I mentioned this in my post. Its easier to just assume the game will be 1v5 and playing your best to snowball yourself and carry the game than it is to lead a team that doesn't listen. You're free to try it every game but do not expect or assume that your team is going to back you up.

TMIT1 votes

People don't always listen, but as long as you are respectful, this is no downside to attempting communication and teamwork.

You are correct that it's not always going to happen, but it's silly not to take advantage of every opportunity to win, including helping/leading/teaching teammates who are willing to work with you, in whatever percentage of games they exist.

Besides, it's good practice because should one manage to get into higher tiers said teamwork is going to happen increasingly often and be increasingly important to win games.

AwesomeChad1 votes

Sure, if you see an opportunity where your team is working together and communicating, definitely take it. I am presenting the case where there's a game that players don't communicate nor work together. Bronze is a unique elo in the sense that a portion of the players are detached from the ideology of teamwork. In general, you do want to take every opportunity there is to group up because u have a better chance of winning the game that way. BUT, in games where your teammates aren't working together and you can't really outteamfight the enemy, you gotta look to utilize other strategies like split pushing (buying a bunch of wards) and picking people off.

Skia Asteri1 votes

You need to do both to climb quickly. In games where you have the most gold on the team, the burden of carrying is more on you than anyone else. When you are not the one with all the money, then your role is to support the teammate(s) who has the money so they can in fact carry.

Zéychin1 votes

Another tip:

If your team is threatening to AFK, troll, or feed/flaming/generally setting up for a loss because of some stupid (or no) reason in champion select, consider dodging. (Don't do this too often or the dodge penalty can become greater. Not sure how many dodges it takes for the penalty to increase.)

-2 LP for dodging is a lot better than -20 LP for getting trolled for 20+ minutes. This can help you climb because you're not stuck playing games you are fairly certain you were going to lose anyway.

This isn't going to make you autoclimb, but it can help if you deserve to get out of there.

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