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A question for other frequent Bot laners

Raemnant·1/10/2015, 8:20:43 PM·1 votes·1,393 views

When my lane partner and I have the advantage, and we push and take their tower and head mid to apply huge pressure on it, likely what I see happen is that the enemy bot lane doesn't follow to help, and instead pushes to take our bot tower, which is now undefended. What do you guys do when this happens, and what do you think is the optimal strategy?

If you let them take the tower, they will be out of mid for some time, but eventually they will shorten the gold adv you have when they do take the tower, then show up mid as well. So the problem lies with how fast you can make any sort of play mid lane, if you even can, and not waste time

If you go back to bot lane to defend it, you now no longer have any extra pressure on mid, and youre forced to stay until they back off. This is largely a bigger waste of time, but it does let you kill the bot lane, if you manage a sneaky engage, since they have no tower to fall back on.

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Asuke1/10/2015, 8:34:20 PM3 votes

Adc goes mid support stays bot or vice versa

Roaranor1/10/2015, 8:35:25 PM1 votes

I wouldn't rotate mid at the cost of bot turret unless I knew that we could get a lot more than just mid outer turret for it (ex double turrets and drag). Ideally, you'd let them overextend and collapse to kill, then roam while they're dead or shove your lane far enough that you can get mid turret without them actually being able to take your turret in time.

If it's mid inner turret though, then that is worth more than your outer turret and I wouldn't mind giving up an outer for an inner.

Edit: There's also the option to send one mid while the other guards bot, but I don't think splitting like this would be as efficient especially since they can usually take turret over one person without strong wave clear.

The Chin1/10/2015, 8:39:40 PM1 votes

Just let them take bot tower if you can get mid tower. That's 2 towers for 1.

But If the enemy team has good wave clear mid or a few people defending then just go back bot, defend the tower and get farm. At this point though you want to freeze it as much as possible rather than pushing, since they don't have a tower to fall back to they'll be really easy to gank if you freeze it anywhere near your tower. And unless there's a lot of pressure top it'll be to dangerous to try and get their tier 2 tower.

or you can clear two waves then roam top.

There's actually a lot of options, but usually I'll roam mid see what I can do - if nothings happening after 1 or 2 waves I'll just go back bot and freeze the lane.

TonyTonyMordecai1/10/2015, 10:34:34 PM1 votes

Honestly, just let them take the tower. If there's three people mid, and only one person defending it (in enemy's case, only one defending), then you can probably just get the mid tower, and rush back bot to take out two champions. Then again, it all kinda depends on which ADC you are, and which ADC you are against; I.E. you're Jinx, and go help mid, against a Graves, who is down bot with his Support. You would help take Mid, because Jinx's DPS helps with taking out towers. If you go back to bot after you killed the Tower and/or enemy Mid, then rush back to bot and try to keep the Tower. If you get there just as the Tower dies, no big deal! Now that you're back in lane, they can't really push. Besides, they don't want to start engaging on you and then figure out that the Jungle and Support is coming up the rear, right? TBH, if you destroy the first bot tower, then go to help Mid, then go and help mid. If you help with anything in the Mid lane, then you can go back bot and apply pressure again. If you see that mid is doing fine, at least ask if they want help. If they don't want help, just push bot. It will apply pressure and attract attention from the jungle and the mid laner to take out you two in the bot lane... Which helps other lanes take out their Towers. Hope this helps!

Leti the Yeti1/10/2015, 11:50:41 PM1 votes

outer towers come and go.. they fall so easily and theres no way you are gonna stop it lol

The All Tomato1/11/2015, 12:09:16 AM1 votes

The support can roam, while the ADC farms safely under turret. item 3117

AwesomeChad1/11/2015, 3:03:06 AM1 votes

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When my lane partner and I have the advantage, and we push and take their tower and head mid to apply huge pressure on it, likely what I see happen is that the enemy bot lane doesn't follow to help, and instead pushes to take our bot tower, which is now undefended. What do you guys do when this happens, and what do you think is the optimal strategy?

If you let them take the tower, they will be out of mid for some time, but eventually they will shorten the gold adv you have when they do take the tower, then show up mid as well. So the problem lies with how fast you can make any sort of play mid lane, if you even can, and not waste time

If you go back to bot lane to defend it, you now no longer have any extra pressure on mid, and youre forced to stay until they back off. This is largely a bigger waste of time, but it does let you kill the bot lane, if you manage a sneaky engage, since they have no tower to fall back on.

Hi I'm a diamond 3 ADC main and i have alot of diamond smurfs so i'm very experienced in ranked. Do not spend too much time at mid lane or whatever lane you leave bot to push in. After you take the enemy's bottom turret , quickly rotate mid and try to take that turret. The idea is that after u take the enemy bottom turret, you have a 1 turret advantage on the enemy so when you rotate to mid or top to take their turret, you're going to trade your bot turret for another enemy turret so overall, you took 2 turrets for losing 1 turret. Thats what your goal should be. If you rotate towards mid and are unable take the turret in time, immediately go back bototm to defend your turret. Pay constant atttention to your minimap to see where the minion wave and enemy is positioned so you don't overstay at mid and you can still rotate back bottom to defend the turret if nothing happens at mid lane. Remember, the whole point of putting pressure on a lane is to take objectives but if you don't take anything and lose an objective in return, that pressure is worthless. This is why pushing minion waves out before you roam is important. The minions apply pressure by themselves and can stall out the enemy's ability to push to your turret. When you're at mid, shove the minion into the enemy turret so you can start attacking the enemy turret.

Your problem is that you're overstaying at mid without getting anything and not not timing your rotations properly.

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Raemnant1/11/2015, 1:51:20 PM1 votes

There's a lot of good advice and multiple scenarios from everyone here, thanks for the insight. I like the idea that one person roams and one stays. If you're unable to shove out botlane consistently, or if their botlane is REALLY gunning for your turret, that's the best strategy. But if they're pushing slowly, or trying to freeze, then both roaming mid/top and trying to take another tower ASAP seems to be the best option, making sure you actually take that tower and not waste any time. Thanks guys

Sirin Gioro1/11/2015, 5:43:19 PM1 votes

Whenever I destroyed an enemy bot turret, I shove the wave to their tier II turret and rotate mid with my support. We could get a mid tower if their midlaner doesn't have the best waveclear like ori/syndra or the tower is already half health. After that, if my bot lane is pushing towards me, I would rotate to bottom again or if my bot lane is still pushing because enemy is freezing for some strange reason, I would recall and buy my items.

ChexMex1/11/2015, 6:24:46 PM1 votes

i'm not offended, i'm annoyed seeing links to your stream and 'i has manee dia acc 8D'.

To the OP. Don't blindly go mid whenever you take bot turret, sometimes it's best you stay bot and deny Vayne or Ezreal even more since they don't have a tower = susceptible to stronger ganks. Don't try to shove mid vs push champs like xerath or ziggs, those champs exist to buy time for bot lane to catch up to you. Go mid if the champion in question cannot push well Akali or runs out of mana quickly Ahri or a combo of both Fizz .

Stay bot if you can't 3 man mid easily, rather just freeze in front of your turret at bot until dragon or mid tower is being targetted. I find some regions to play it out differently as well, most NA bot lanes I play vs head mid no matter what while KR/CN half and halfs it