Supports And Vision, Help Your Support

Simplicate·6/17/2015, 3:52:22 AM·2 votes·1,171 views

Alright so lets get to it. My last game I played support Annie and dared not to get a item 2049 . When a premade on my team found out I was promptly flamed and blamed for us losing the game. You see, generally I don't buy a item 2049 on supports like Annie because I have control of the lane and the river with the wards I buy at almost every back. Ganks are easily fought off and my lane is never really in true danger because of the lack of one. I find this to be the most efficient since I need gold for other team oriented items such as item 3116 anditem 3117 . Later on in the game I upgraded my item 3361 and kept up with the pink wards I needed to get vision on key locations. A few minutes later our Ezreal , the main rager, cried passive aggressively about not having vision when he face checked bushes in our jungle, to which I told him if he upgrades his trinket he could help me ward since I refuse to get sight stone 30 mins into the game. He never upgraded his trinket.

The funny thing is that even with me buying item 2049 wouldn't have done much because the vision would been in the exact same places I warded with the trinket with the exception of 1 extra ward....

Personally I feel that if your support is doing a different build that isn't what you consider the "correct" or "traditional" support build then you should upgrade your trinket immediately to help out. One teammate alone with an upgraded trinket and a pink ward can cover up to about roughly 70% percent of the red side of the jungle, imagine if your entire team was pitching in.

TL;DR: Two people on my team flamed my ass for not buying a sight stone but refused to upgrade their trinkets when THEY wanted more vision. Fucking insane right?

9 Comments

Coolnave6/17/2015, 7:20:54 AM4 votes

Alright, first off, I'm a support main so I will be heavily biased on getting a sightstone but I'll try to touch both sides of your argument.

You're absolutely right on teamates upgrading their trinket, I bring it up in almost every game and when it happens the map is lit up like a christmas tree. Warding is not only the support's job.

On the other hand, you're not your adc's support, you're the team's support. Vision is crucial to winning games. The Support is meant to sacrifice damage for utility. It doesn't matter what the meta is, that has been and most likely always will be what supports do.

Supports are a part of a battle I like to call the vision war. If you decide to upgrade your trinket instead of getting a sightstone, then you will no longer have a sweeper. Sure you'll have that extra slot to build some more utility but judging by your match history you decide to build more damage. Sure you will be able to place wards like a sightstone but with a cooldown, but what about the enemy's wards? Your team might be setting up for a trap, but little do they know if they're on a ward and are about to get massacred by the enemy team surrounding them.

Btw, in your 3 past annie support games, I noticed that you didn't build a sightstone or upgrade your trinket. (judging you)

Zhou Ziyu6/17/2015, 11:05:31 AM2 votes

Support main here as well; I'll drop some insight on vision, and Sightstone vs Upgraded Warding Trinket for supports.

This'll be a long read, but it'll also explain why Sightstone is still the norm for a support. It's a hefty read, so I'll try to format it to be less of a monolith.


  • Why isn't vision covering my lane from ganks enough?

Warding also isn't just to prevent ganking of one's own lane, but includes (and is not limited to) reducing the ganking of other lanes by pointing out the enemy jungler, allowing your team to make plays without repercussions, and enabling the aggression of another lane because they know where the enemy jungler is. In addition, if your jungler is a duelist/counterjungler, knowing the enemy jungler's location allows him to move accordingly to counter the enemy jungler's efforts. That's how important the vision game is; you never want to truly lose the vision game, otherwise you risk losing the whole game itself. The earlier you can get a wide field of vision, the better it is for everyone on the team.


  • Why aren't my laners upgrading their trinkets? What if everyone just upgraded their trinkets?

For a laner, the 250 upgrade on the trinket is an investment that pays off later, so it's a purchase that one gets when one is winning and can afford to drop gold into more vision to snowball even harder. Trinkets also cannot be upgraded until level 9; and most laners cannot buy their trinkets until a little after, because they don't want to fall behind in item building vs their opposite laner otherwise the extra vision would become a moot point. The support is also delayed from level 9 because of the shared lane xp and because roaming to ward delays leveling slightly.

Thus, earlygame, the only vision that is granted is from trinkets; and that vision lasts only a small duration. Early-mid game, the only vision that is granted is from the support's sightstone if they choose to buy it, other peoples' trinkets, and any bought wards. If you neglect to purchase a sightstone early, then your team plays blind until midgame (at which point, it may become too late to recover from the advantage the enemy team gained from your own team's lack of vision, etc).


  • What if everyone makes it to midgame alright, and I have the option now of buying Sightstone vs Upgraded Warding Trinket?

Midgame, however, becomes tricky as well because the enemy support will be actively sweeping wards out (and you should actively do the same to him). With only an upgraded trinket, you're only able to plop 1 ward every 60 seconds; if the enemy team sweeps out even a single ward, they've created a huge gap in your vision that can be exploited. If you have a sightstone, you can quickly fill those gaps

In addition, any support who purchases a warding trinket has a reduced capacity to ward sweep, which is crucial for any support that likes to carry (which sounds funny, because you'd never expect a support to carry). By sweeping out wards with a sweeper in addition to pinking areas, you cause the enemy team to play more blindly. And as we all know, playing blind is a huge disadvantage; you're crippling their whole team with one item! But if you upgrade your trinket to a warding trinket, you have no sweeper!

Supports carry by denying vision; by not purchasing a sweeper, you're reduced to becoming just a warding cc-factory because support damage falls off mid-lategame without Void Staff. If you intend to do huge damage as your ADC's partner, then you've essentially become a kill lane duo; in which case, you should state that in champion select so your team can adjust accordingly. Your team can then play around the fact that you're playing as a damage champion, and not necessarily a peeler for your ADC (whose role it was to deal damage anyway), or as a primary warder.


  • Why should I be the one shouldering warding costs?

Whoever deals damage (whether it be APC or ADC) scales exponentially with itemage. This means that an ADC with 6 items is better than one with 5 items; but the gap between 5 items and 6 is much larger than the gap from 1 items to 2 items. This is usually seen when an ADC purchases their PD/Shiv after their IE and their sustained DPS increases dramatically, or when they purchase Voidstaff or Last Whisper, and gain huge penetration.

Because of this, it's beneficial to grant as much money advantage to your ADC (and APC) as reasonably possible; this means that to an extent, becoming the main (but not sole) warder for your team early-mid game. Once your team is snowballing, your laners can purchase extra vision to snowball even harder; but until then, it's more generally more efficient to have specialized roles of dealing damage, tanking, warding, etc.

I'd also have to say that an early sightstone also helps your team snowball, which enables your team to then purchase warding trinkets. The vision you grant allows your team to purchase the vision that complements your initial vision.


  • Am I wrong for asking my team to complement my vision? Is that Ezreal in the wrong?

Nope; your team should indeed be trying to complement your vision. As long as you have some vision placed, you enable your team to safely place more vision. The circumstances would have been a better determination on whether or not Ezreal should have upgraded his vision, because most ADCs (especially low mobiilty ADCs) aren't good at warding; if they get caught out, they're dead as doornails. However, I do agree that he shouldn't have been facechecking bushes; he has abilities that can spot for enemies in bushes, silly him!


TLDR: Too bad. The above has juicy information that can't be summed up any shorter without making it seem out of context. If you can't spend 10 minutes to read to improve your game, then no amount of TLDRs will help :D

TouchpadExpert6/17/2015, 2:41:47 PM2 votes

I'm a support main also. I don't see a reason to forego a sight stone. Ever. Postpone it maybe, but only for an upgrade to the support item. The gold generation can usually net you a sight stone on the next back. But you NEED to have that sight stone by 10 minutes in. If you don't you're behind in your supporting duties. Rylia's crystal scepter is a very expensive item with very expensive components. This alone dissuades it from being a first build item. Rylia's helps for long chases. Early game no towers have fallen yet, those long chases are a long way away. You do not need this item so early. I understand how it synergizes with permaslow tibbers but it should not have higher priority than a sight stone. If anything upgrade your spell thief's edge into Frost Queen and abuse the active effect on it. There's your slow and some mana regen with it.

The items you should be building on a support generally have poor stats but very helpful actives. Mikael's Crucible is one of my favorite items, its cleanse active has saved many of my carry's lives. Shield of the Iron Solari on my tank supports can help counter and diminish AOE comp set ups. Twin shadows can help your team pick off enemy laners and greatly dissuades counter jungling and any stealth based champions against your team.

And as far as upgrading your trinkets, just remind yourself its solo queue. Do your teammates a service by reminding them of it but don't go in expecting anyone to listen to you. Solo queue players can be really daft and absentminded at times. Have low expectations for solo queue but practice good habits yourself. They tend to listen after you've proven yourself to be competent.

Also support annie falls off late game. Rylia's helps her stay relevant. But you have a strong early game. Abuse it by building smart support items.

Teachan6/18/2015, 7:05:46 PM2 votes

Unless you have as a team smashed the enemy team going 15+ kills in the first 10 minutes, I see no reason to delay item 2049. Supporting is about doing the most with very little. You don't need damage to carry. If that was the case, go play Katarina support or something ridiculous.

As the others posting, I'm a support main, so I'm also biased towards item 2049 . Hell, I build it on junglers now whenever I go cinderhulk.

If it works for you fine, but you are going to get your butthole ripped open almost every game because you don't want to fork over 800 gold for unlimited wards plus being able to get a sweeper to clear vision then catch people out.

You're not really supporting imo this way. You're just a secondary carry that donates farm to another carry and has to pray you get enough kills to be able to snowball and win.

baby reksai6/17/2015, 10:05:48 AM1 votes

Hey bro, i agree in a sense of delaying your sighstone however, i don't agree in putting it off completely. the fact that as a support the biggest impact you can have on the game is either catching people out or keeping your team from getting caught out, correct ward placement and vision control is key in both of these. Sweeping is so underrated when it comes to the game because it denies the enemy team vision. Also, when chasing down opponents idk how many times the sighstone charges have come in handy to get brush vision to land aas or skill shots.

Tyren6/17/2015, 4:18:45 PM1 votes

As long has you have sight stone and upgraded sweeper, to grant and deny vision, and help the team as much as you can most people will not be whiners.