Isn't Dying 300g?

Tl;Dr: Lives are priceless (also applies to real life)

I think your point was "Don't die" which I think everyone who plays LoL already knows...

in all honesty creeps are worth more income then kill gold or exp, taking towers when your in a good farm spot can blow up your income. killing someone in lane doesn't give you a boost so much as it inhibits their growth potential by setting them behind.

the guy who is ahead by 3000 income who gets meaningful choices in items and has levels on his lane opponent wins. Kills are not really worth anything, it's the absence of a person that can be worse. In which case backing to buy items or dying removes you from the picture for an objective. why people bash teleport revive I will never know, and it's the true strength of champions like TF and shen is they can enter the fight from anywhere practically. The guy who who cses well gets ahead and then leaves to be where he needs to be wins, and with good wave clear he doesnt really lose anything for doing so.

Most players do not get this however, all they are concerned with is the feeling of accomplishment of being "Over powered" by having too much damage or kdr, they want to look at the game afterwards and smile at their kills and gold and brag about it, but the guy who split pushed, died 50 times and took your towers and inhibitors, then back doors your nexus towers wins the game.

Honestly if you suck so bad at csing that one kill ruins your game, you might wanna spend some time with bots practicing controlling where the creep wave goes and getting those last hits in to get more cs.

The current meta like anything in life is a worthless practice if you don't know why you're doing it. And the current meta is trying to grab hold of anything early, farming and quietly taking objectives is always more advantageous then trying to snowball by kills, and then simply being there and STRONG when you need to be.

And last of all, if you fed your lane and I am a jungler, I am not going to go in under powered with you at 10 hp to die when you're worth less gold, I might grab my fed mid laner and back him up, but im not going to come save your lost fight, when its just lost. and im not going to waste my time ganking a tank who will just walk away and freeze under tower who im not going to kill. waste of time. DO the best you can and quit worrying about "Kills and deaths" focus more on the basics of winning a game.

300 gold isnt shit. 20 kills? 6k gold, out of the end game of 21000 gold you think 6k means anything?

JS, Vayne Hentai, you seem to be one of the most sensible people I actively notice on these forums, so GJ, keep it up.

so don't die

And that is why junglers play such a crucial role in the current meta. Objectives and map pressure are extremely important for winning the game. Junglers are the only role that gives you a summoner spell to secure dragon/baron and allows you to roam anywhere on the map at any given time. Don't be that jungler that farms all day. Make the plays that your team needs to win the game and think it through, weighing both the rewards and potential consequences of your decisions before executing them.

it depends on how the minion wave is when you die, it is possible that dying makes u win the lane

if you can stall a game long enough eventually kdr doesnt matter because everyone will have 5 items + boots and is a potential threat. Sooo I dont get the kdr, you dont win for 20 kills, you win by nexus. its pretty much capture the hooker.

Speaking of which why doesnt LOL have a capture the flag mode? XD!!!

At least League isn't as punishing as other MOBAs where you usually also lose gold when you die. The only other MOBA I know that doesn't make you lose gold is SMITE. So, while dying is really bad, don't get me wrong, it could be a LOT worse.

Imagine if no one died

Think about it...

Seriously, think about it. You'd never get a kill. Never, Zero, nil, none

Worth?

Thankfully i'm in silver, and no one capitalizes that much on deaths until mid-late. :P

Completely agree with this thread. Just wanted to add 3 things:

1. If you gank when your laner is too weak to follow up and they die for that, it's your fault. This includes not having cooldowns up, so watch their lane for 5 seconds or so while you're on your way in.

2. If you gank in, very specifically, low gold, it's your fault when your laner tries an idiotic tower dive at level 3 and gives up first blood. It's your fault if botlane gives up 2 kills like this. Low gold is a weird sort of elo hell where laners are smart enough to ward but dumb enough to always try to dive (they got gold, clearly that means they're gods), and it's the only elo bracket where I'd actually recommend just farm jungling unless someone is really really pushed.

3. In terms of cs value, getting your enemy laner out of the lane means more than the kill gold. If you're at 100% hp and your opponent is 10% under tower at level 2, don't dive, just zone them and let them go b. Dying for them under tower isn't worth when they're already effectively out of lane, and even if you do kill them, you'll have to go b because of all the turret hits you took so you won't get ahead in cs unless the wave is pushing on them. Get ahead in cs first, THEN go for kills.

This is why high elo snowballs harder than low elo. People know how to capitalize better. Small mistakes can become big weaknesses later on.

At least League isn't as punishing as other MOBAs where you usually also lose gold when you die. The only other MOBA I know that doesn't make you lose gold is SMITE. So, while dying is really bad, don't get me wrong, it could be a LOT worse.

I misread

He said equalized smite and league, he didn't compare them.

And this is why my 2nd piece of advice for getting out of [division] after "Did you have more than 150 cs by 20 minutes?" is "Try not to die, unless there's a really important reason to do so."

That's a really good point, i'll keep it in mind to help others

I feel like people are misinterpreting this advice. It isn't saying don't die, its saying death is a bigger penalty that the gold and exp given by the death. This, like any other general rule, has exceptions, but is very accurate, especially in the early game.

now, post-laning phase, if I'm the tank and initiate a team fight that goes 1-3 or 1-4 in our favor, my death was worth it. If that same fight goes 1-2, probably not worth it because we are down a frontline for the re-engage/clean up that turns that 1-2 into a 4-2.

Tanking a turret is different from tower diving. I do the former all the time, the latter is really rare in my experience(I play with a pre-made group).