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Would nasus ba a good champion to climb with?

BlueVestGuy··2 votes·4,259 views

My "main" top laner is shen right now. I've realised that in most cases where my team is behind and/or won't go in, looking like they're scared to fight (thus letting their team engage and get kills while we're not really doing anything or only half the team is, while the other half is just buzzling around), I can't really do anything to change the situation, and that sucks to be powerless - both damage-Wise and, well, being able to make a difference. It doesn't help that since it's SoloQ I miss many opportunities to use my ult during laning, which ends up in me using it in an attempt to save a low-health ally most of the time.

With all that in mind, I came to the conclusion that maybe I should get a new top laner that would do more than soak damage, one that can take a few hits while giving them back. And who could do that better than Nasus, the champion that seems to be unkillable once he's got an item, Nasus, the one who never ceases to grow in power, Nasus, the god who more than once i've seen carry his team?

Point is, would nasus be a good champion for me to pick if i'm looking for a tank that can carry a losing team - or any team, simply, without needing too much coordination? Or, well, whatever you could deduce from my text or something.

TL;DR I can't use shen to his full potential, if my team won't fight/is behind I feel useless and i'm sad, if I play nasus will I be able to carry?

18 Comments

NemeBro2 votes

No, Nasus relies on his team not throwing the game in the first twenty minutes to win.

Even if you get perfect stacks by twenty minutes, if the bot lane enemy Jinx or Vayne is really fed they'll shred your defenses like paper.

Only Play Darius1 votes

100% this. Nasus is nothing if his team loses early and he gets camped or is forced to leave lane to defend an inhib turret.

Predatore1 votes

In low elo he is great but from what ive heard others say, everyone knows how to shut him down once you get a little higher

Hollabakatchya1 votes

I'de ask your team if they are comfortable basically fighting a 4v4 until you have stacks. If so, I say go for it.

Gimilee1 votes

Go dunkmaster Yi and get nexus at 15

Crunchyfied1 votes

In low elo it'd probably be a bad idea to play Nasus since you rely on farming for about 20-30 minutes before actually doing anything to help your team and they'll be constantly dying and blaming you for afk farming.

MilfHuntUnitXJ91 votes

get good at riven and carry yourself and others to plat, destroying without a second glance even your heftiest contenders,

count your GG "LC$ pro big playz" with that cancerous one stop shop champ

Crowe Stalker1 votes

If your opponents have no idea what they are doing, Nasus has absolutely ridiculous scaling and split potential.

I'd also recommend you look at Malphite because he is a very simple champion mechanically, scales off of armor (yes, the tankier you build, the more damage you do) and can, after a certain point, go jump on the 12/3/10 ADC trying to split bot and kill them while retaining half of your health bar (unless it's Vayne because Fucking Percent Health True Damage)

JudasX8 Silver1 votes

In low ELO everyone knows to shut him down too. Nasus = camped.

Merxamers1 votes

Nassus is a pretty decent choice, but he has some painful lane matchups (Vlad, volibear, etc.), so you probably don't want to first-pick him. If you can learn to play safe, and get good at farming under turret and/or freezing waves, Nassus is a great choice. Just farm up for a long time, then make a clutch TP to get a double kill, then 3-shot turrets with your Q.

4ManVotedAgainst1 votes

It's not the Champion you pick but the composition you put together against the enemy's composition. Should for some reason your team-mates be clueless about how to form a composition then just queue-dodge. This type of team typically just feeds all day anyway.

PapaGreg211 votes

Yes. Nasus is very good but be aware that he has some hard counters that will beat him in lane (teemo/vayne/etc.) There are people in high divisions that play a lot of Nasus so don't let anybody discourage you from playing him just because they don't see him played in LCS. Streamers like sirhcez play him in Diamond all the time.

Nick Valentine1 votes

You say you can't use Shen's full potential. Assess what potential you are looking for. Shen's potential is a gold split push. You need to know exactly what is happening with your team at all times so you can make the decision to push or to help out your team. The goal of pushing is to either win an objective at the risk of losing a team trade (nobody dies if people died then you made the wrong decision) or force 1-2 people to come deal with you. If someone deals with you, then you tp in and then you're fighting 4v5 the person dealing with you can't teleport like you do.

With Nasus, it's similar because Nasus needs so much farm to reach that status and you will be in a lane pushing and farming with teleport. The presence with Nasus is less than Shen but if you have trouble making decisions as Shen I'd be careful of making them with Nasus who is even weaker than Shen in this aspect.

Crett1 votes

Sion

Only Play Darius1 votes

You say you struggle with Shen because people won't follow up on your plays.

Let me tell you as a Nasus main that it is 10x worse with susan. I'm not sure why, maybe people think they can do whatever they want early game because they have Nasus to autowin late game, but when I play Nasus my team likes to feed to high hell early game and it completely screws him over. Nasus scales with farm and not gold, which means if he falls behind (and he is utter shit when behind) he can't just get a couple of assists and catch back up like other champs, if he misses farm he is permanently set back. So when a fed ADC starts camping him and he gets 3 man dived under turret it's painful. Contrary to popular belief, Nasus is actually extremely bad in low elo where games snowball out of control in 10 minutes and if he is on the losing team then the game ends long before he hits any kind of powerspike. But he is also bad in high elo where even though people play more even games, enemies know how to play against him, punish his early game, punish his 4v5 etc. He is overall pretty mediocre to be honest, even in the best situations he is low-risk low-reward and really can't carry on his own.

BlueVestGuy1 votes

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Go dunkmaster Yi and get nexus at 15

I'm not pro as heck enough

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get good at riven and carry yourself and others to plat, destroying without a second glance even your heftiest contenders,

count your GG "LC$ pro big playz" with that cancerous one stop shop champ

Could be a good idea, altough I don't perticularly like riven..

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I'd also recommend you look at Malphite because he is a very simple champion mechanically, scales off of armor (yes, the tankier you build, the more damage you do)

I thought about getting him at one point, however I was told not to for reasons i've now forgot - I think I asked about him for jungle though. I might give him a chance if I can't settle with anyone.

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In low ELO everyone knows to shut him down too. Nasus = camped.

Your teamates/ennemies must literally "deserve higher elo but i'm held back by my team", i've barelly ever seen a jungler camp top lane against nasus in norms or silver ranked, or at least camped and succeed in shutting him down...

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It's not the Champion you pick but the composition you put together against the enemy's composition.

I'm not going to lie, I usually don't pick champions based on my teamates' picks other than "tank if I planned to play damage but we're all squishies", "AP if we're all AP" & etc.

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You say you can't use Shen's full potential. Assess what potential you are looking for. Shen's potential is a gold split push. You need to know exactly what is happening with your team at all times so you can make the decision to push or to help out your team. The goal of pushing is to either win an objective at the risk of losing a team trade (nobody dies if people died then you made the wrong decision) or force 1-2 people to come deal with you. If someone deals with you, then you tp in and then you're fighting 4v5 the person dealing with you can't teleport like you do.

What I meant mostly by "full potential" was during laning phase with his ult, as in finding at what time it would be best to ult an ally and get them kills, things like that. However, the "split push/group" part would also be an issue ; Most of the times, when i'm pushing alone, I either can't pick a good moment where my team will also get objectives and/or force fights, or, well, I do find a good moment but either they send their whole team, delete me while my team is pushing the creep wave, ignore me and kill them, we're confused and we can't get anything, etc.. The main reason I wanted to go with Nasus was to OBLIGE them to send a few to me (if they don't want to lose multiple towers) and most likely kill their squishy damage dealer (thing that I can't do with shen, although with shen I have way more chances of getting out alive) , so if my team still won't get towers during that time i'll at least reduce their ennemy's offensive.

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No, Nasus relies on his team not throwing the game in the first twenty minutes to win.

Even if you get perfect stacks by twenty minutes, if the bot lane enemy Jinx or Vayne is really fed they'll shred your defenses like paper.

Wouldn't change much with shen ; as I said, most of the times I only manage to use my ult to try to save a teamate (which doesn't always works), in which case the ennemy vayne would only destroy me/us a bit slower.

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Sion

Tried him before, I don't really like him in lane and don't do well in the jungle.

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You say you struggle with Shen because people won't follow up on your plays.

Let me tell you as a Nasus main that it is 10x worse with susan. I'm not sure why, maybe people think they can do whatever they want early game because they have Nasus to autowin late game, but when I play Nasus my team likes to feed to high hell early game and it completely screws him over.

Yeah, well, I wasn't talking about the games where my teamates would feed to oblivion because they're expecting to be carried :p

VesperNadal1 votes

Bronze? No. Silver? Yes. Gold? Yes, though less reliable than in Silver. Platnium? You really shouldn't. Diamond? You really, really shouldn't.

He can work anywhere that isn't Bronze. Bronze you get teams that feed super hard and can't hold out into late game. And past silver the player base starts to get a clue on how to beat you.

Carnarius1 votes

you can easily reach any division as nasus, but the problem starts when you hit master and above. ppl there understand how to deal with him, you can expect being kited to death, camped, and it's basically really difficult to carry single handedly. if you do everything correctly with him tho (understanding when to pressure and when to help your team, lane mechanics, etc), you can expect having 70% win rate even in diamond

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