How do you carry a game when everyone on your team is feeding?

Fluttershiy·10/8/2014, 3:33:34 AM·5 votes·46,735 views

So I decided to play some ranked as I feel I am ready and I am no longer bronze level. So I win the first game because people did not feed like crazy. I got 9lp. Then this game I lost and lost http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1573455290/201024945 16lp putting me at 0. Everyone keeps saying "If you are any good you would be able to win no matter how bad your team is." But can someone please tell me HOW? Because I am doing all I can do. And I do not feel that I am as bad as most of the other people I see in bronze. But I am also not a plat level. So I can not just 1v5 team fights and win and stuff like that. And the amount you get for wining VS the amount you lose for losing seems a bit broken to me. It is like they do not want anyone to advance.

38 Comments

Bowlbo10/8/2014, 3:40:45 AM5 votes

The LP system is there so that it is like climbing a ladder. Do not think of losing LP like dropping a rung on the ladder, the entire division is that rung. Yes it sucks when you cannot co-ordinate your team and you feel like they are not playing carefully and assertively. But you're also in Bronze. Managing complete strangers as teammates is one of the skills required to rank up. Besides that, keep playing and you will find players that work well with you and you will have some fantastic games. Just be patient and try your best.

God Mode Enabled10/8/2014, 5:37:19 AM3 votes

the issues began with champion selection to be perfectly honest... their team has an ashe ult for ranged stun, their heimer has an aoe ranged stun, and taric has a stun, along with a vi who can dive in and grab one of you, and zed who is the most ridiculous get in and get out burst assassin...

you guys have... very lackluster CC

khas slow is meaningless vs a 3 stun / 1 knockup team comp morg can be effective, but against that much CC its unlikely.. and jinxs root isn't a hard enough CC

when you pick teams you need to COUNTER PICK as a team... they went for 1 burst, and 4 hard CCs, you guys all picked higher damaging champs thinking you could just push through them with your damage

and to be fair, u aren't gonna carry a game as morgana no matter how good you are, any half decent ADC will sidestep your root, and get out of your ult while blowing you up regardless of the zhonyas.

its less an issue about who is trolling who, and more an issue about your team comp being horrific compared to theirs.

equal skilled players will have that same result 95% of the times they play

MorikTheMad10/9/2014, 7:41:11 PM2 votes

You can't always win.

Think of it this way: if everyone on your team has equal skill, on average you'll each contribute to 20% of the game outcome. There is a lot of variance though--one guy can completely lose a game with one bad play in late game, for instance. (But on average, with 5 equally skilled players, each contributes equally to the game outcome.)

If you are better than your current MMR, that means that on average, you should be contributing to more than 20% of the final outcome. How much more depends on how much better than your current MMR you are.

Some games you will just lose. Lets say you are good enough to contribute to 80% of the final outcome on average. There is still a chance that your team fails hard and you lose.

That said, there are things you can do to increase the odds of winning. Focusing your team on objectives instead of running amok chasing kills, for instance. Play in positions that let you hit many areas of the map to help teammates who are having a bad game get rolling (mid & jung).

If you win your lane hard, your team will be more likely to listen to you. So the basic steps are:

  1. Figure out how to win your lane most of the time.

  2. Figure out what your team as a whole needs to do after the laning phase to win the game.

  3. Perform really well early game so your team is more likely to listen to you.

  4. Lead your team; tell them where to group up and what objectives to take. Tell them when to fight and when not to fight.

    • They won't always listen. Try to find the right balance between firmly suggesting the right course of action, and not being a dick. (If you say something like "HOLY **** YOU SCRBUS! Get mid NOW idiots!" they probably won't listen. If you say "Ok guys; time to group up mid & take some turrets. Stay behind Leona and don't go in until she does.", and maybe "Leona: We aren't strong enough to turret dive, only initiate if we won't be under a turret"). Be careful of being too much of a dictator though--even if you are right, people often don't want to be told what to do. Try to guide, not force.
  • Sometimes they will listen to you, but not execute properly. In the above example, Leona may get excited and engage under a turret anyway (even though she meant to follow your instruction, she tunneled and went in). Or your teammate interprets "stay behind Leona" as a general suggestion, but wants to poke the enemy so gets in front of her every now and again; enemy engages on him, blows him up, and now you are all either running or in a 4v5. There isn't much you can do about this. If it happens, make a judgement call as to whether it would be helpful to point out what just happened, and what to do better next time. ("Ok, that went poorly, but lets try it again; this time make sure to always be behind Leona please.") Be careful of pissing people off though--they will be frustrated if the plan isn't working.

Try not to do anything too complicated. Generally things like split pushing work out poorly in low-ELO soloQ. The players won't have the mechanics to execute properly--keeping pressure so the enemy team can't go get the split pusher while not getting engaged upon is hard. And most of the time they won't even remember to back ping the split pusher when they stop pressuring (and the split pusher won't remember to keep an eye on the skirmishing to see when the enemy comes for them). Etc etc. That was just one example--any sort of complicated strategy (more than 1 or 2 things that need to work together) will more often than not end in chaos.

So, stick to simple things: "Stay behind the tank, go in when the tank goes in."

"Every time the wave pushes up to their tower, ranged people hit it a few times, then we back off. Go all in if they engage on us."

"Every time the wave pushes up to their tower, ranged people hit it a few times, then we back off. Run if they engage on us."

And so on.

Subdue10/8/2014, 3:57:08 AM2 votes

My advice for you would be to stop focusing on the games where teammates held you back, and instead focus on the games where you were the problem.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/201024945?matchType=2

Perhaps you did well that game and still lost, and that's a bummer. But that game alone did not put you in the situation you find yourself in. You doing poorly in just about every game before that is what got you there.

ChimeiTekinaNasu10/8/2014, 6:14:42 AM2 votes

Get off support and play a carry champion, if you can. Though honestly, your support Morgana was great that match. First off, you're in Bronze V. That's A LOT harder to climb out of. One of my friends, had this friend, where it took him 280 ranked wins to go from Bronze V to Bronze 1. This one friend of mine who chooses to only rank and never practice anything in normals, has like 1200 ranked matches total and is still stuck in Bronze V. So yeah. Bronze V. Very hard to climb out of from what I've seen.

Now let's start off with builds. Your teammate Jinx, her build is trash. She needs Berserker Boots, Vampiric Sceptar, and Infinity Edge first before completing Bloodthirster. Your other teammate, Kha'Zix. Eldar Lizard is better than Feral on him, Lizard is even on the recommended item for the bug, too. Also, brutalizer isn't worth completing into Black Cleaver so early. His build should be like, Elder Lizard, cooldown boots, brutalizer, and last whisper. Next up, is your teammate Yi. He kind of needs Infinity Edge early.... and I don't know about teleport/ignite but eh. Also, jungle Yi is just better. Also, Frozen Mallet on Yi so early??... Just...no.

Also, I see you tried Jax awhile ago from the dude's link of your rank match history. Jax scales a lot better with Trinity Force early. I can help you a bit with Jax. Though if someone is a Jax main is here, he might be able to help even better. I know the basics on him though.

Edit: It shows the title of my screenshot. Gay. Completely ignore the titles of my screenshots, please. lol

SwiftKitten8810/9/2014, 9:46:42 PM2 votes

i am only silver but i also find it stupid when people say" you can carry your team with bad teammates. this is completely wrong.. i can get kills with bad teammates i can even get a positive kda sometimes... but when i have 10 kills and the res of my team has less than two and each opponent has 15+ it doesn't matter that i can outplay then.. i doesn't matter than even with 10 kills i can take two people down who both have 15 kills. the point is i cant take all 5 of them down and the rest of my team cant do anything.

Aurora Celeste10/12/2014, 6:19:22 PM2 votes

I feel you: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1557434378/51355671

Just a tip if you are looking to improve: watch your replays with something like lol replay and look for your mistakes. Then write those mistakes on a piece of paper and read them before every game and when you are dead. I found my old note card and it says, Switch between trading/cs stance, look at the mini map every 2 cs, time enemy flashes, and look for enemy jungler when opponent goes for a weird trade. If you become aware of your mistakes, you can consciously correct them, leading to more wins.

IndianHippie4/22/2015, 6:51:23 PM2 votes

First off, get this thing straight. You WILL NOT win all games. You cannot always carry your team if they are doing really bad or the enemy is really good. People who say if you are good enough you should be able to carry games no matter what is PURE BULLSHIT. I finally left Bronze today. It took me a total of 122 games (70 wins/ rest losses) to go through Bronze 4 to Bronze 1. I currently stand at 0 lp in Silver 5. If you see my games I make it at around 57.something perc win rate. SO you can say I had my fair share of losses. One thing I learnt was that you need to get into the mindset that : You have only advanced if you cross the promos, and not by gaining lp. Cause often gained lp is easily lost by just one loss. Also the amount of lp you are gaining is quite low. I usually get 20+ LP with every win )I am not shitting you I swear the few times it was less than 20 was 18-19 LP). So you either perform badly or you have a low MMR. You can change this by winning consistently in ranked or winning more games in Normal before playing each ranked game. The most important thing is perseverance. Remember it took me 122 games in all (including placement). I was demoted once and lost around 3 promos in all before reaching silver. Of course it goes without saying that if u absolutely suck at the game then no matter how much you percevere you cant do anything.

6Pieces10/8/2014, 12:34:24 PM1 votes

It starts at level 1. If you get yourself fed and help your team snowball, you automatically win. If you are passive at that rank. You my friend are going nowhere.

Deathless81C10/8/2014, 4:00:19 AM1 votes

Conversely do not ignore the games in which your teammates cost you the game. A popular lie paraded about a lot of League discussions is that all games are winnable. They are not, some games just are not meant to be. Personally in those games I concentrate on tweaking things I am practicing with a champion. Things like setting a comfortable build order for champs with multiple options, gaining information on how I should adjust and what I should itemize for based on the game state(which will be skewed in a lost cause game but there is still some info to get), analyzing your lane matchup particularly if it is not one you feel knowledgeable about,etc.

Shadow B34ST8/24/2015, 1:08:33 PM1 votes

CS if adc is bad take his cs and carry XD

oBi Kenobi 18/19/2015, 10:31:21 PM1 votes

i think bronze is a joke people not only suck but they play ranked and pick cchampions thye have no knwledge of. or get matchus they have no knowledge of and feed top and ask y. bronze is frustrating i carry games get to b2 then lose 7 in a row. no skill can keep teammates in games or make then not pick dumb champs in draft. the only thing trying to be a leader gets you in bronze is a report from the asssholes who thinn k yopur the asshole trying to help them. i love paying money to play in bronze hell love it keep up the good work

Vicvictorw10/12/2014, 6:34:35 PM1 votes

I'm seeing two glaring problems in a game that would need to be carried:

  1. You're playing support. That is a tough role to turn the tides from if you can't provide guidance and morale support to the team. You don't exactly have the budget to hypercarry (not that you can't pick, like, Annie or Fiddlesticks for that role), so you're very reliant on your team.

  2. You're playing Morgana. She's a good champ and all, but she won't carry a team. Her ult requires her to get really close to her opponents, and she's not exactly a tank. If your team can't back you up, you'll go in, ult, maybe use a zhonya's, and then die.

Mikal Pikal10/17/2014, 4:14:09 PM1 votes

WW is a VERY risk pick in low elo solo queue. The game can simply get out of control by the time you can do anything to help. As for how to play if all lanes are feeding, I usually just pick a lane and camp it (usually mid or bot). If I am mid, I get mobi boots and continually gank bot. If laning is not working, then stop laning and win a few team fights, take a few towers, get drag. You can always come back and you'd be surprised how often your team can dominate team fights in spite of losing lane. Often you lose lane because your team comp is aoe or team oriented.

MasticatingGrill10/17/2014, 8:14:33 PM1 votes

Lol I just made a new smurf and spent pretty much the whole game farming in JG and taking drag each time it came up.

Never really ganked as much as convinced lanes to B.

By endgame we had so much gold and CS on average it was unfair.

I walked into their base and was unkillable 1v3 while the team 4v2'ed and caught up.

Then we won. But until the last few minutes team was threatening to report me lol.

Beeshrine210/8/2014, 5:01:17 AM1 votes

There is a lot of good tips here but keep in mind that LP gains are based on your hidden mmr number. So if you are gaining less and losing more, it means that you are in a division, but due to a losing streak or absence or some reason you are below the rank of other people in the same division. As you win games this would eventually balance out (inversely, going on insane winning streaks can allow you to skip divisions completely)

GankedByQuan4/22/2015, 6:37:58 PM1 votes

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Goth Thot10/8/2014, 6:38:34 AM1 votes

Try your best to help out other lanes rather than just your own and it'll help you out heaps in the long run. I main mid and if I feel that I'm doing well in my mid-lane matchup I try to roam to a losing lane and help push that lane out around the time I hit 6, even if I haven't yet pushed down my own tower. I feel like this is more advantageous in the long run, because I'm probably more capable of going back and catching up in my lane than someone who is 0/5 ten minutes in is capable of doing anything more than continue to feed if they don't get any help. This isn't just restricted to mid - you can take TP and gank as a top laner, roam mid as a support or of course try your best to help a losing lane as jungler (you don't have to get any kills, just forcing the enemy team to back off can give your team some breathing space). The only reason you wouldn't do this is if you've got a laning opponent who benefits tremendously from free farm like Nasus or Veigar but otherwise I think the benefits outweigh the loss; not only do you help to get another lane back into the game - your teammates in that lane ACTIVELY SEE YOU MAKING A GOOD IMPACT ON THE GAME, this is important because as a result they're soooo much more likely to listen to you shotcalling when the lane phase is over, far more than if you just go 8/0 in your own lane, at least in my experience, and as other posters have already said being able to rally up a team is one of the greatest skills you can have in bronze. Good luck.

MasticatingGrill10/8/2014, 7:27:19 AM1 votes

You got boned on the matchmaking there, but the big problem was that ziggs. Your Jinx was terribad and you tried to cover but it all went to hell.

It happens. Play some more games before you QQ please.