Get outta Bronze

synchroflame·3/28/2015, 8:07:06 AM·2 votes·1,044 views

I main Thresh and was a former S3 that got dropped after season 5 into Bronze 3. Been doing my best to claw my way up, but no matter how I try I lose every game. I don't know what more to do...

13 Comments

Jamaree3/28/2015, 8:09:02 AM4 votes

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I main Thresh

Found your problem, you are trying to get out of bronze playing support. Play a carry role, carrying with a support at that elo means you have to trust that you have an ADC that knows how to win with the advantage you give if you win him the lane.

hh the thinker3/28/2015, 8:10:43 AM1 votes

hhmmm, you either need to improve with the champ you are using or find different and easier champs. being a support, it's harder to carry in bronze than other roles, but is possible still.

what i did when i was first placed into bronze (was there for about a week) was take it as a chance to practice one of my worst roles which was adc. you could do the same maybe.

WukongMain3/28/2015, 9:28:43 AM1 votes

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DeadlyQuestion3/28/2015, 10:00:55 AM1 votes

Friend of mine who introduced me to League was diamond in seasons 2 and season 3, gold in season 4, and now has been on a 19 defeat streak. Sometimes you can't carry a game alone.

Angry Monster3/28/2015, 10:04:03 AM1 votes

If you want to play support you need to remember you have to play with your ADC. Lets be honest here true bronze players are not great at snap decision making or reading situations. You are need to make plays that you know your adc will follow up with and learn to follow your lead. He may be the carry but you need to show him your the brain.

rth23/28/2015, 2:21:26 PM1 votes

So, I gave some advice to somebody else about how to carry from support in bronze.

The plan you need is how to carry from support.

  1. Play champions you know and are comfortable on.

  • Do not let your team force you onto champions you are not used to as you won't (generally) play them very well.

  • Do not let your team force you into a certain style (like a tank) just because you are last pick and they think they need it.

  • You will be able to better assess trades, damage, and kill potential on champions you know.

  • You will more easily transition out of the laning play style.

  • You will have an idea what to build.

  1. Why to not play Thresh (if you want to carry).

Thresh is all about his versatility. He can hook, lantern, shield, flay (knock back / slow) and his wall slows. He can be amazing at setting up kills, ganks, making roaming plays, and abusing his utility. However, to abuse utility you need to have team follow up. If you land a hook on the enemy ADC, toss a lantern, fly in flaying the ADC, boxing him in with your ult, and your jungler is taking Krugs and your ADC is farming that last caster wave, it doesn't matter. You are dead. You are feeding. They did not do that by not following up on your play, you did it by over-committing. Thresh can be a great support, but he is just very team reliant. Which is an issue if you are trying to be the carry.

  • You do not want to play a champion that either relies fully on his team or must over-commit to make action happen.

  1. Some options

Off-Supports in bot lane really don't need a lot. You generally want :

  • Some form of CC so that you can help your lane mate, or secure a kill / great trade on the enemy.
  • The ability to scale well into the game (either through items or some other usefulness (ex. great in a pick comp) ).
  • Can still provide what standard supports provide ( you should still get a sightstone, probably want a gold item / don't steal all the cs).
  • You want to be effective regardless of your adc. This means that if they focus your ADC, you can heavily profit off of this in retribution damage.

  • Blitzcrank - A decent option, as far as "standard" supports go. This is because one well landed hook can win entire lanes, fights, objectives, and games. If it is 50 minutes in and you thread the enemy team, pulling their ADC/APC, and they get 1 shot before they can do anything you most likely just won the game. The main downside is that while you can build AP/AD and do decent damage, you are still pretty reliant on your team to bring the damage. However, you don't have to put yourself at very much risk, and teams are pretty decent at focusing whoever Blitz grabs. Just make sure to grab the right people.

  • Annie Ahri Brand Fiddlesticks Lissandra Lux etc... - Mages. Many mages fit into the support role decently and remain effective even with a support starting build. The important thing to note is that all of these champions have some form of harder CC, Scale decently, and can win teamfights without getting into too much danger (Some champs like Fiddlesticks Lissandra Morgana ) will want a item 3157 before going in too hard.
  • CC allows you to get picks / catches. This also allows you to secure kills / protect team members.
  • The ability to deal good damage without committing too hard surrounds lots of these champs. Remember, you need to stay alive to do damage. Learn your damage/kill potential and how to kite around fights.

  • JarvanIV - this is one I like a lot.

  • Has the flag/drag knock-up combo.

  • Mobility to escape ganks, jump on the enemy if they go on your ADC, can gank other lanes hard at level 6 if desired, has a slow

  • If he gets ahead in lane, he can build to nuke. Allowing you to poke the enemy a few times with q, then go all in with your ult. A snowballed J4 can destroy a bot lane.

  • If you are behind you can build a more traditional tanky build that will still allow you do remain relevant.

  • Melee so last hitting with targon's is really easy and allows you to psuedo farm.

  1. A few things to keep in mind.

  • If you are picking a damaging support with the hope of carrying, you need to be good at evaluating trades and situations. Ex. That annie / graves you mention earlier stun your adc and jump forward. If you are J4, flag and drag (e + q) the both of them, and take out that ADC. They just spent their burst on your ADC and you are a relevant damage threat.
  • You should not do this in general, but especially if you are going to carry do not sacrifice yourself for another player (unless you believe that player will carry). You are the carry. You need to be alive to carry.
  • Learn how to play the vision game. You should be doing this in any role.
  • Learn how to teamfight / kite teamfights.

There are more options available as well! Hope this is helpful!

If you do want to keep maining Thresh through bronze, you will have to realize that you are playing an enabler support. Thresh is great at enabling his team, but if you don't really have a good team to enable you aren't really doing much. One way you can compensate for this is by Duo Queuing with somebody that you trust(esp if adc). This way you can have utility, control, and tower taking pressure. You can work on consistently winning lanes and then taking objective advantage to win games.

This could also be a good time to expand your champ pool to include more hard carry oriented supports.

Good luck on the rift!

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flibitydoo3/29/2015, 2:21:48 AM1 votes

If you're maining thresh (as a support), you can only impact the game as much as your adc will.

My recommendation is you find a good adc friend to duo queue with (thresh is very team dependant) or simply play other champions in other roles (other than support, such as adc/jungler/mid, which all have large impacts on the game)

Maximum Zilean3/30/2015, 6:52:14 AM1 votes

One bit of advice I can give, support is really hard to carry bronze games with because your relying on your team to take advantage of your plays. And most of the time, they won't.

I would learn a few mid laners, AD carries, and a few junglers. Its best to be the carry and do things yourself most of the time.

The other thing you should avoid is split pushing. Most bronze players have no idea how to make this work, and get dove on 4v5 every time instead of stalling.

Lore Ventus3/30/2015, 6:17:49 PM1 votes

Use thresh as a crutch when you feel a "support" wants bot lane. In most cases try adcing or top lane to keep the game under control.