I'm Just Not Good

Felo·2/4/2015, 8:44:28 PM·3 votes·1,666 views

So I have been playing for a while now i'm level 18, I play the game as much as I can. I have the time and the desire to become a better player. I'm looking forward to playing ranked once i'm 30 but I just don't feel like I will be good enough.

My Problems:

  1. I can barely get any CS if i'm playing mid I usually end the game with around 100 CS
  2. The only role I ever seem to help my team in is support
  3. If i am forced into a different role I almost always lose that lane/can't jungle worth a crap
  4. I don't really know when to dive, roam, and recall
  5. It's simple i'm pretty much terrible at everything besides support even then all I do is use Thresh's hook and get assists

Any tips/help is very appreciated, THANK YOU

15 Comments

CrossedOverKirby2/4/2015, 9:20:12 PM2 votes

While I'm in a similar boat as you, mine is more of a confidence issue. Here's just what has helped me, though:

1 - Practice farming in a custom match.

You wouldn't believe how much this helped me. Just put yourself in a custom game, no bots, and just attempt to farm. Seriously, it works. Just keep in mind, it's all about timing and gauging health and how much damage you do. As I recall, 100 CS by 10 minutes is either perfect CS or just a good amount to have at that time, so just aim for that. I can only get like, 60 when I'm playing with Ziggs, so don't feel down if you can't.

2 - Find your strengths and expand

Now even I haven't found what I'm good at other than running away, but just keep experimenting with different champs until you find the one that you like / suits you the best. After that, try to learn as much as you can about their mechanics, strengths, and weaknesses. You can find a lot of these things online, but they are best learned just playing the game. After you find one champ that your comfortable with, experiment again, but this time try outside of the roles that champion provides. Trust me, my friends give me heat all the time that I love playing support, so I try to find champs in other lanes that I want to learn.

3 - Don't be afraid to try.

Everyone makes mistakes. If you decide to try something out that is within reason that you think you can pull off, by all means, try it. Some of the best and funnest builds in Leauge were discovered that way. I wish I could do this myself, but whenever someone tries to judge you based on your performance in a nast, negative way, ignore it.

4 - Learn through play.

Like I said earlier, you pick up a LOT of stuff just by playing the game. It all comes in time, your not awful just because you haven't picked up all the finest points in strategy at level 18, you still have a long way to go, don't worry.

That's all I can say. I hoped it helped. I am only Silver III, though, but there are plenty of nice helpful people who can give you more help that a "gitgud" here.

Best of luck! Hope to see you on the Fields of Justice!

Xtremey2/5/2015, 5:14:12 PM2 votes

this guide explains thinking ahead: http://leaguecraft.com/strategies/gameguide/734-strategy-tactics-and-winning.xhtml

this is pretty good decision making guide http://passthejelly.hubpages.com/hub/League-of-Legends-Decision-Making

a good explanation of opportunity cost: http://www.lolpro.com/articles/faladrans-articles/2596-economics-and-decision-making-in-league

Remember that objectives > kills and you should be fine. a good rule of thumb for prioritizing objectives is inhibitor > baron > tier 3 tower > dragon > tier 1 or tier 2 tower > buffs

CS will naturally come with experience, but zed has a very easy time doing it if you specifically want to focus your cs game.

AuraMax2/4/2015, 9:07:08 PM2 votes
  1. Try playing a champion easy to farm with like Ziggs, Ahri or Lux.

  2. Don't underestimate the power of a support, they can be just as scary as any other role because of their ability to lockdown champions for long durations. Also the support role can be fun, I like to play Janna and Nami both are squishy but have high mobility. If my adc is not doing so well, I try to gank mid or ward out enemy jungle and catch enemy jungler off guard with my jungler or mid laner.

  3. I can't play jungle that well either, if I'm stuck with Jungle I focus on ganking to try and get midlaner, toplaner or adc fed so they can carry the game.

  4. Dive: if you know for sure you have a clear advantage against the enemy champion your are about to dive and think you can get the kill then go for it (for example if your jungler reached level 6 and is nearby to gank your lane, and the enemy champion has low health/no summoners or immobile). You'll get better at knowing when to dive with experience. Roam: A lot of different opportunities, one might be if your lane is pushed to enemy tower and one of the nearby lanes is pushed towards your tower. Recall: This really depends on the situation, if your low health and you think an assassin is nearby, get to safe place and recall. After obtaining enough gold for an item you want and either push the minion wave or make sure the next wave will not go directly to your tower

  5. With more experience with other roles or just watching others play you'll get better.

Good luck :)

xX Hyper Xx2/5/2015, 7:06:11 AM1 votes

Bronze V pro here. Hey dude/dudette, you shouldn't be beating yourself up. This game has a steep learning curve and if you look at a pre-30 player V.S. a 30 player you'll instantly see a difference in ability. The 30 player will be pinging, getting cs, kills, warding ect. The pre-30 will be pulling teeth out while riding a roller coaster of asshole teammates. What can you do. The answer? Keep playing. Literally just keep playing and find your flow. Take advice people give you. For a while this will be your jumping point. I remember starting out and wanting to quit (And I did twice or so) but eventually I just grew. I started warding, got better at last hitting minions, started to figure out what was good on my champion and thought outside of recommended builds. Think of League like a piece of marble: just keep whittling away at it slowly and you'll create David. Take my advice how you want it and best of luck to you. And please don't jump straight into ranked when you hit 30. Ranked is a whole other ball game full of different shaz. Alright I'm out. Olaf summoner 4

mvargus2/5/2015, 4:52:42 PM1 votes

Hey! Someone my level asking for help. :) Nice to see someone asking early on. I used the na.op.gg board to look at some of your match stats and noticed a few things.

a) although your W/L is not great, if we compare your KDA to mine you are actually doing better than me and I'm told I'm decent for my level. So do not get too down. b) you do appear to struggle with CS when playing a lane champ. I saw one 3.8/min on Ahri, but you have a lot of games were you average under 3 per minute. I can say from experience improving this takes practice.

So I have thoughts.

  1. As others have suggested set up a custom game, and either have no one on the other side or give yourself 1 beginner bot to use as occasional harass/target practice. Your goal is to auto-attack minions such that you only hit them one and get a kill. It takes a bit of time to learn how much damage you do, but this does work. The first time I tried I took out Jinx and was usually around 3.3-3.6 CS/Min levels. Now I'm usually above 4 CS/min, and I'm still working on improving against live opponents. It will take time, but you will see an improvement.

  2. Don't believe that just because you went 4/15/12 you didn't help. Sometimes you help by pushing an objective even if you die in the process. (the score I posted is my actual KDA from a 65 minute marathon game. my team was struggling badly, but kept fighting. One thing I did multiple times was split push to the enemy base and take out as many inhibitors as I could before dying. This kept their minions from invading our base and we were able through frantic defense keep them out of our base until the Master Yi on our side pulled his own split push and took out the enemy nexus. The kill score at the end was 40 for my side against 86 for the other side, but in the end we pulled it out thanks to pushing through to objectives. It was a rather amazing fight. The key here is don't just die needlessly. A Leblanc who is 20/0/0 because she dominated you midlane will destroy the rest of the team, but you going 3/10/3 might not hurt if the deaths are late in the game during team fights and the rest of your team is getting kills.

  3. It's very hard to jungle without tier 3 runes so I wouldn't worry about it. I manage because again I took my jungle champ into a custom game and just practiced jungle clears to see how fast I could do it without a leash and how many potions I would use. Since then I've gotten a bit better thanks to 2 more levels and 2 more masteries. For the other roles I have 2 suggestions A) choose a champ for every position and learn them. Use games v bots and team builder games to play the champ until you have learned all the basics. This gives you some flexibility, although from what I've seen support positions are almost always open. B) Don't allow being in another role get you down. You have time to improve. I thought I was going to main ADC, but I've decided to try other roles for a while just to get a better feel for them. I know I can come back to ADC anytime. I've also tried other ADCs besides the one I was going to main because I might not get to play the one I want in a draft.

  4. Some of these are situational and all vary from champion to champion. Some champions want to camp in a lane for as long as possible, living off their sustain and will only recall if the other champ recalls and is going to come back with better items. Others will want to push the lane hard and to recall as soon as they have the gold to upgrade equipment. And the opponent you face can change the plan. You might decide to rush armor first or get boots for movement rather than the first damage item in your build plan. This is something you have to adjust on the fly.
    As for roaming. It depends on your lane and situation. Most top laners won't want to roam unless they are already ahead, as farming tends to be very important to them. Some mids (Katarina, Leblanc, Zed, Nidalee, others) want to roam for more kills. They tend to be the faster ones who can get back if things go wrong and who can escape if they run into the jungler. Others like Cassiopeia won't want to roam at all due to their scaling and movement speed. Bot lane usually won't want to roam unless they've pushed and dropped the first tower, but as support you should be checking the river and dropping wards. If your ADC is dominating or getting squashed you might need to roam to help others. Again its very situational.

  5. I considered myself terrible at everything except ADC (with one champ), but I've seen improvement. I recently took Sejuani jungling and helped my team to a win despite not being a fast jungler. I've had some luck at the other positions depending on my teammates and opponent. But it has taken a LOT of games and practice. I usually really struggle the first 3-5 times I run a particular champion, but time and enough playthroughs helps.

Another thing that can fix is a few ARAM games. Yes, its a random champion and a very small battlefield, but if you want to learn team fighting mechanics, these are a way. The battles tend to be one huge team fight so you pick up what your champion can and can't do in a team fight rather quickly. It also can force you to try out champions you would never have thought of trying, which does help. If you know that champ X has an ability that does Y, you can anticipate it better and that helps avoid some damage.

Hope that helps some.

Raxicor2/5/2015, 6:27:33 PM1 votes

To practice CS, open a custom game, load yourself in, and practice on the mid minions. You don't have to do it for long but its helps give you the feel for how low they need to be for a successful auto-attack. AP champions have less damage in their auto-attacks so its easy to miss a lot of CS with them. Also you can use your abilities on them if you need to. Don't spam your skills or you'll run out of mana, but if you do it once in awhile you should be fine. Tip - the 3 minions in the back have less HP and are easier to clear with abilities.

Don't be ashamed of being a good support. With practice of good ward placement and teamfight presence, you can really help your team win.

As a general rule, don't dive by yourself. When people dive a tower usually the laner and the jungler are working together. One is tanking the tower shots while fighting while the other is focused on killing you. If you see them coming at you when you're under tower then move away or run around it if they're low and its early levels.

You can roam if you're wave is pushed up to the opposing tower. This is often done by top or mid. Roaming is actually really easy and can really help out your teammate.

Recalling is safe to do when your opponent is dead or recalling and you've pushed the lane. Also if you have Teleport summoner spell you need not worry about losing CS to your tower. You may also ask your jungler nicely is they can "hold" your lane. Essentially they will CS in your lane until you get back and make sure those minions don't hit your tower.

palkia252/5/2015, 8:18:18 PM1 votes

the simple answer- play heimerdinger (Heimerdinger ). Literally I could only cs on a basic level, but with heimerdinger I just plopped three turrets and let my mechanics and understanding of the game unfold. Of course I main urgod jg, but literally just spam heimerdinger until you are comfortable playing mid and understand the game. Then you can move onto other champs.

FHMarshy2/6/2015, 4:51:24 PM1 votes

Add my smurffs in game :) Lei3lanc, Uclyr or Zicjcjs. I'll help you in game by giving you tips or showing you examples on what could be done

Tsen2/4/2015, 9:09:14 PM1 votes

You should be fine for your level? Pre level 20 and without any runes, my average cs was probably around 80 lol. (in a 20 minute game) You have 12 more levels to think about which roles you are best/interested in and plan out runes, builds, etc. Also, lv 1-20, i played mostly support. Sometimes "hybrid" Ashe (I built athene's on everyone) Don't stress out so much and enjoy the game.

I found that support and jungle players have a better foundation for map awareness, positioning, and timing than any of the other lanes. CSing? Well maybe not. The last hitting guide (tips & tricks > best) is very useful if you haven't read through it. Practice in a custom game without runes/masteries.

And. You'll be getting some good tips soon lol. The community that lurks in tips & tricks are surprisingly kind.

(xD Nuuuuu, don't look down on assists! Snowballing starts somewhere!)

SulkingRaccoon2/5/2015, 12:04:33 AM1 votes

Ah, a fellow support! I was in a very similar situation, except level 30 and playing ranked.... Good on you for trying to solve your problem earlier on. XD

Right now, I'm still better at support than any other role, but I've started to branch out. Maybe I can give you suggestions of what worked for me.

As xCrosshairsx said above, practicing farming in a custom game is extremely helpful to improving your farm. Many guides suggest starting out by yourself, then when you're comfortable farming like that, adding a bot to simulate an enemy's harass. You can also 1v1 against a buddy. A common goal is to get around 7 cs/minute. Keep in mind this is hard, and I usually am only able to hit 4-6 cs/minute in my normal games in my most comfortable lane role. For perspective, most pros hit around 10 cs/minute.

I would suggest trying to learn ADC next. As a support main, you're already very familiar with bot lane mechanics, so that would give you an instant edge in your games. Also, (in my opinion) last-hitting is easier with an autoattack than an ability cast, which you would most likely be using to farm in mid. Caitlyn and Sivir are good ADCs to try out.

As you learn new roles, keep in mind you will be learning new champs as well. This will make everything a bit harder, but don't let it discourage you. As you enter a game, make sure you are familiar with your champ's playstyle and kit. For example, Caitlyn and Sivir both tend to outtrade their opponents in the lane phase and have good waveclear.

As for being "forced" into a role, I can't recommend team builder highly enough. The waits can be long and the comps are sometimes silly but it's the best way to ensure you're playing the right champ in the right place. It's a lot less stressful than blind or draft pick, and, it's likely that some of the other players in there are trying something different as well or just trying to have a good time.

Diving? Roaming? Recalling? To be perfectly honest, given that you are at a level under 20, I would discourage diving and roaming in most cases. It's not because you aren't skilled enough, but because you don't currently have access to the runes/masteries that are so useful in diving and roaming. In your case, these two things are much more risky. That being said, diving and roaming are two skills that you will definitely need to develop as you continue playing LoL. I would suggest familiarizing yourself with champions that are good at these two activities - for example, Nidalee likes to roam because of her ability to pounce long distances and her brush passive.

As for recalling, there are a few "rules." In a solo lane, you should try to push your lane first to prevent the enemy from damaging your turret when you're gone. You should also try to quickly farm then recall when your opponent recalls, because he will soon be back with better items. Duo laners should try to coordinate their recalls to avoid a 1v2.

I also would recommend, if you don't already, watching the LCS and pro streams on Twitch or Azubu. This is a really good way to learn about strategy, mechanics, tower diving, champions, shotcalling, anything. Professionals are a much better source of advice than me haha!

And, above all, do keep your chin up. It's not that you "aren't good," you just are unfamiliar with most roles. And you can change that by practicing! If you mess up, don't think negative thoughts about yourself, but remind yourself that mistakes happen and try to learn from it so you can do better the next time. Always reply to friendly teammates with a "gj" or "ty" and always reply to unfriendly ones with the good ol' mute button. ;)

Well, hopefully this wasn't too long of a reply. I hope what I said helps you, and I wish you the best of luck, supporting or anywhere else!