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How to beat fiora

usul1202··1 votes·1,662 views

I recently was a Quinn Vs a Fiora top lane. i killed her lvl 2. she hit 7 before i did though, somehow (i pushed lane after i killed, stopped her from csing. had literally double her CS when she hit 7) and she wrecked me with her ult somehow. i figured whatever, went back, played safe. after a quick damage item, i built a thornmail. the moment i got in lane she pushed and ulted me. while i had a thornmail. and had her blinded. and i died while she was over 50% health. how are you supposed to beat that? (note: she was firmly blinded. it didn't effect her ult, or lunge. or really anything)

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Leti the Yeti3 votes

alrighty so its possible, you just made some false assumptions blind only affects auto attacks so her lunge and ult WILL still kill you

I suppose you simply kite her till she lunges you follow up with vault she will most definitely lunge at you again.... NOW you use your blind, her AA wont harm you but i suggest you kite anyway

really at no point should you use your blind until they are on top of you and your vault is on CD

AkitaSaito1 votes

Fiora will miss her attacks if she is blind when she attacks an enemy champion.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Fiora

Blind always worked on her ult ever since she was released since it's on-hit autoattacks like WW's ult. I blinded her in in my Quinn vs Fiora matchups many times sucessfully since I usuallly timed it right.

As for OP, Quinn's blind lasts for 1.5 seconds while Fiora's ult lasts around 2-3 seconds. Combine that with her ult's cast time and the distance Fiora has to travel (even with her Q), while blinded, to get into range to use her ult.

usul12021 votes

Okay, so how do i counter her? I can't just leave her to speed push towers after lvl 6, and my jungler was not helpful.

usul12021 votes

I saw on a few fiora threads that her ult counts as AA's, so ninja tabi work. Although, quinn's blind is still bugged, so there's no telling what gets through. This fiora was good. wouldn't pop the second lung till i vaulted.

I'm fascinated by how she out leveled. by the time i was 10 she was 13, and we couldn't kill her because of her passive and a hydra. it was ridiculous.

DeadlyQuestion1 votes

I am not sure if this is what she did, but I typically out level and out gold my opponents in the early game when I take teleport. Being near a minion that dies gives you XP regardless of if you killed it, an ally killed it, another minion killed it, or the turret killed it (though you get less XP when an ally is near the minion death too, which is why in some games your lanes/jg will fuss at each other for "soaking xp").

Being able to force my opponent back to base by harassing or killing them and retaining my presence in lane through more minion waves than my opponent is able to generally gives me at least a two level lead. Especially if they don't have teleport and I do, because I can force them to base, push through several minion waves (meaning 2 or potentially 3 more waves of XP than my opponent is getting), go back, heal at base, and teleport just as their tower has killed my wave and resets the lane.

If a little later in the game she was able to be present near more minion deaths than you were able to be because she killed or forced to go back to base (or you roaming even), then she soaked more xp than you were able to.

usul12021 votes

Well, that's the interesting part. we both had tele. i killed her, pushed wave to turret and backed, denying her xp while dead. then i tele'd back. she bought a long sword since i had denied her farm from anything bigger. but then (after we both didn't leave lane again) she hit 7 when i was half way through 6. I had at least an entire minion wave up on her. then the insta-deaths happened and i wasn't safe anywhere in lane.

DeadlyQuestion3 votes

In your defense, Quinn does have a blind spell and Fiora relies on auto attacks as an AD melee. If that's why you thought you stood a chance, then it's actually justified and good reasoning, it's more thought than I see some players put behind a matchup. Personally though, I have a priority list of comparing my champion to my lane champion that tells me whether or not I think I have the advantage or the disadvantage.

  1. Summoner Level/Runes/Masteries/validity of build
  2. Champion Role
  3. Champion strengths/weaknesses relative to abilities
  4. Rank level

A higher number ignores any of of its lower numbers, and two lower numbers ignore the one just above the higher of the two lower numbers: Since Fiora is an assassin, assassins dominate squishies, and ADCs like Quinn are squishy that dominate tanks, I would have immediately felt Fiora had the advantage in a 1v1 even if your blind potentially reduces her overall damage. Even if someone is willing to argue about Quinn's potential in this match up, to me an assassin is a hard counter to a squishy, period. You chose scissors, they chose rock, in my personal opinion it's that simple. It isn't to say Fiora will 100% beat Quinn, but a Fiora clearly has the advantage if knowledge/skill levels are even. If you're not carrying 90% of the games you're in as a top Quinn, then when you saw you were going against Fiora, you should have heavily insisted in champ select that it would benefit the team that you adc or jungle (assuming you were in a draft pick), and if somehow unpreventable in champ select (like you being in blind pick), then heavily insisted a lane or jungle switch with you. You and your jungle being behind because they have smite as top and you don't have smite as jungle is a more mitigatable circumstance than a fed Fiora.

So lets just assume that in the future you decide to take another Quinn as top, you get get paired with Fiora, and your lanes refuse to swap with you: Knowing that I am only an average player and knowing what I said in the first paragraph, I know I would do absolutely terrible against someone that has the role advantage like that. I don't even pretend that maybe they're bad enough for me to handle them and just do my best with my fingers crossed (figuratively); I would take every necessary step to prevent feeding kills to Fiora even if it forced me to be behind. I would rather me be behind, never having fed Fiora a kill, than hoping our circumstance turns around the moment I'm able to catch up in mid or late game.

I would have taken my typical runes and masteries (maybe would have considered taking my AD melee runes because they have +12 armor instead of the typical +9), taken teleport (assuming draft pick) to help me retain a presence in lane so I don't get behind in XP and potential last hits, started with and max my Q first, rushing Zhonya's even before first tier boots (to make her ult irrelevant) before straight AD items (her Q scales off of both AD and AP, though more off of AD), and would have done my absolute best to survive by poking her down with at least Q (I'd try to do as many passive mark+aa+e+aa combos as well), and if she was too stupid to back. bursting her down with that combo, my ult and that combo, or flash and that combo.

I am not saying this is the best strategy. Like I said, I am an average player. I assume if you played Quinn often enough to know her capabilities, you doing something different than my suggestion wouldn't even be argued against by me, but if I am ever forced to lane against a champion who has the role advantage, I typically am not risking feeding unless I notice they aren't playing/building the champion properly and are making lots of mistakes. Or like, in normals, when LoL Nexus tells you you're playing against a level 23 because of party queue, their rune/mastery pages aren't going to be complete and are generally going to make them super easy to zone regardless of their role advantage.

usul12022 votes

This was very helpful. It was blind pick (or i would have gone tanky), but tha'ts the risk involved with blind pick. as for the zhonyas, that is a better idea than rushing the thornmail, upon rethinking it. will definitely keep it in mind if it happens again.

Tsugaga2 votes

Hard matchup I imagine, you probably need good marksman mechanics and be good with Quinn. Fiora's ult range is quite low so distance helps. I think blind would be best saved for when Fiora uses her attack speed buff since that's when she's planning to AA a lot. Randuins might be better than Thornmail.

2000boxes1 votes

Rammus + item 3075 + gromp buff + w = fiora took more damage from her ult than you did from hers either that or just cc lock her

usul12022 votes

The post directly points out playing quinn........... and that thornmail didn't work

2000boxes1 votes

ya you didnt mention playing quinn then you asked how to counter fiora's ult so i gave you a way to counter fiora's ult you never asked how can quinn counter fiora's ult

usul12021 votes

did you...... read my post beyond the title? I very clearly stated quinn. I also stated that thornmail didn't help enough.

Spikeman711 votes

You can kill her post lvl 6 then don't even bother getting near her anymore. Lol.

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