Per Game Average ------Rank

Bobbi Johnson ·4/2/2015, 12:09:27 PM·1 votes·1,478 views

7.1 Kills - 5.3 Deaths - 7.5 Assists

I know these averages aren't the best. But of course I'm in Bronze V with others who have far, far worse scores than mine per game.

My question is, how do I get out of Bronze V, let alone Bronze itself, when even having the only positive score on your team in terms of kills over death ratio , still means you will lose at least 53-54% of my matches ? It's like I go 2 steps up and then 3 steps back ?

Ive played with some mid tier Silver players who have ALL said I had the game play of a traditional Silver level player....So why can I not get there ?

Things I do every game

  • Ward (no matter what position I'm in)
  • Map awareness (Not only for myself, but I tend to watch out for everyone, calling out danger when i spot the jung somewhere)
  • Playing champs that tend to carry ( Nasus, Jax, Vayne, Lucian, Teemo)
  • I try to direct everyone and "lead" the team (Thought many times at least 1 or 2 don't want to follow or communicate properly)

Am I simply not good enough yet to crawl out of this sink hole on my own or what ?

8 Comments

Gym Leader Yaki4/2/2015, 6:49:27 PM2 votes

Just keep at it, don't give up. Practice makes perfect.

On a side note, I never liked people's CSing objectives. Something along the lines of 70-80 per 10 mins and then 200-250 by 30. I rather tone down the first number while keeping the last one. I feel like it's brought more success into my games. Also, 70-80 cs is EXTREMELY SUBJECTIVE. It depends on:

  • Your champion
  • Your opponent
  • Their jungler
  • Did your opponent roam and kill (being placed against a fed opponent isn't always easy)
  • Are you playing an early, mid or late game champ?
  • Are you getting countered/are you countering your opponent?

etc etc etc. This being said, that number will vary by a lot. For that reason I have my own csing at : 100 by 15 mins, 200 by 30 and 250 by 40 mins +. I would say 80%+ of all diamond videos I've watched respect this amount. If the lane is to their favor, they might get up to 150 by 15. But if loosing I've seen diamonds get 80. That being said, it's really hard to just give out a number and respect it. Remember, it's not because pro players have that amount of CS per minute that you need to have that amount too!

Make your OWN CSing objective and try to slowly increase the number and improve :) I hope I helped.

Dedrius4/2/2015, 1:21:47 PM2 votes

The fact that you referenced KDA in a question about why you are in the division you are in is a major factor. This game is not COD team deathmatch where the most kills wins. I have had games where one team had double the other team's kills and still lost because they lost focus on objectives, the thing that truly wins games.

Also most of the champs you listed do not carry well. Nasus is not that strong with a team that lacks the coordination to allow you to farm/push while pressuring elsewhere. Vayne requires high mechanical skill to play effectively and no offence but most people in bronze can not play her to a level that warrants that pick, you would be better of with Cait/Jinx (not meant to be an insult, I was Plat 3 last season and still could not play vayne very well). Teemo has very little teamfight potential which is something you need to carry low elo games in my opinion and if you are looking to split, you are better off with someone like Trynd.

Your best bet would be to work on your decision making ability. If you see a probable kill mid or a very easy dragon opportunity you have to know that dragon is more important. Learn when it is a good idea to keep pushing a tower or it is time to back off. These things will help you more than knowing what your average KDA is.

CLG Factor4/2/2015, 1:12:39 PM1 votes

play ap nasus

Mayor Stubbs4/2/2015, 2:29:52 PM1 votes

Try to get good at roaming a lot, without losing out on much cs. Also only roam to lanes that are gankable, so don't bother with the ez/Janna at bot lane very often

Bobbi Johnson 4/2/2015, 2:52:57 PM1 votes

And how do I win in games that 1 or more lanes begin feeding ?

disregardable4/2/2015, 12:31:13 PM1 votes

Die less, group more , and farm WAY better. You should be aiming for 7-8 CS/minute, which is 70-80 by the 10 minute mark. To compare, in your Vayne game yesterday, you had 100 CS at the 20 minute mark. Dying 8 times in a game is unacceptable, and so is a 30% contribution towards kills.

Nefarious Yordle4/3/2015, 12:20:02 AM1 votes

First of all, don't listen to people that write half a paragraph to try and tell you how to play this game. Since we cannot actually see you play, our commentary should focus on how you can improve your game-play, not actually "how you should play".

I sometimes give people a "random pool of tips" and classify it as such. It won't teach you how to play, but might give you a few ideas. And then I always back that up with "the main thing is simply keep on playing and for god's sake analyse your games to see what you did wrong". I think the tip you could use the most (considering what you already stated) is to keep up-to-date with the meta on probuilds.net. Pick your role, pick your champ pool, and then look up which one's the most viable. You might even consider taking the highest-winrate champions and learning those. Then you can set up your runes, masteries and builds based on how the top-tier of soloQ is doing it right now. All that's left then is to play the champion, analyse your games and if you get stuck, look up a recent top-tier game featuring the match-up you are stuck on.

Time for a side-note, feel free to skip it. Note how this does not teach you how to play, it rather suggests how you should start working on your game-play on your own. "Work on your awareness - it's probably still bad" or "Work on your decisions/mechanics/anything else completely abstract that will always be appropriately bad based on what someone's MMR is" simply does not teach you anything. I could say "Don't die pointlessly" to you or myself because we both often die pointlessly in our games, but that does not help you improve your own game-play and as such is not helpful at all.

Now, to actually go into specifically what you said about KDA and win-rate, let me express my opinion very clearly. Anything you do correctly or poorly - mechanics, warding, awareness, decision-making based on the aforementioned, etc. - will directly influence your KDA. So, even though "This game is not a COD team deathmatch where the most kills wins", your KDA is a surprisingly accurate indicator of your performance. Your KDA will usually reflect your expected win-rate, which means if your win-rate is 45% but your KDA is 7/5/7, you are simply expected to slowly go towards a win rate of say, 55% (read: "above 50%, but not amazing enough to be 60%+").

So, just keep playing, start/continue analyzing, hopefully benefit from my tips, for instance about using probuilds.net and perhaps tournament/challenger streams to educate yourself about the current meta. Stop worrying about your current win-rate unless you have played over 200 games already. If your KDA's good, chances are you should just play more games to gain more probability to get the win-rate you deserve.

Battleforge4Life4/2/2015, 1:02:50 PM1 votes

KDA doesn't win games, objectives do.

Why you get a kill, roam, help another lane, get a tower, get drag, etc.