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Should I Take a Ranked Vacation?

EkkoFroffles··2 votes·1,312 views

I made the leap to ranked way too early. Could only top lane, didn't have the runes, was still fairly new to the game, etc. This effectively torpedoed my MMR, making trying to climb feel like an exercise in futility, despite me now being able to perform respectably in every spot. Haven't gotten higher than B4 56 LP, which was all a 6 win streak after promotion got me.

Lately I've sunk most of my time into practicing. Mid Monday, Top Tuesday and Thursday, Jungle Wednesday, ADC Friday, and Support Saturday and Sunday. Placed extra emphasis on CS, warding, etc. But whenever I try to play ranked, the majority of the time either champ select trolls force me to dodge or my team is so bad and boneheaded I want to put my fist through something. Like my last match, the enemy Tristana and Blitzcrank both went on 4+ kill streaks to start the match and I was essentially facing a duo lane because my lane opponent lied to his jungler, saying it was his first time GP and second time playing ranked, and so he set up permanent residence top lane. And Vi and I were the only ones not effectively suiciding every couple minutes.

Following that match, I vowed to my friend that I wouldn't play another ranked match until next season. When ranked starts causing such rage that I slam my fist on my desk as hard as I can, I don't see the point. It doesn't help that my friend, who my other friends agree I'm better than, has made it to S5 averaging 10+ deaths on all his most played champions, playing random crap like Thresh top or AP Jinx supp, and being toxic. I'll look at his match history and find tons of matches where he had nearly 20 deaths, but was clearly carried by one teammate. All the work I put in, and he lucks out all the way to S5. This may sound like sour grapes, but I've played with the guy plenty and know what he's like. My other friends and I have had to report him on more than one occasion for his antics, including for some ranked matches. Him being S5 couldn't possibly make less sense to us, so it just adds insult to injury.

And this has all got me thinking, maybe I should just play out the remainder of my 30 day IP boost, then devote most of my time after that to leveling up the second account I created not too long ago. I could have a fresh start, or at the very least something to tide me over until this season ends and the next one begins. Does this sound like a solid plan to you guys (and gals)?

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Zoratu4 votes

Just practice your best champs until you start going on 5+ winstreaks. Then go back to ranked. At least that is what I did and im plat 5 right now. Although it is true what morbidlyobeese said about people not tryharding in normal because when I play a normal im either practicing a champ or I'm on tilt in ranked and just playing for fun.

Good luck getting out of bronze when you decide to play ranked again

EkkoFroffles1 votes

That's more or less the plan. Have level 5 mastery with Garen and Nautilus now. Next up are Malzahar and Amumu. I'm trying to do that thing I talked about in other comments where each day is a different position, but I give myself room to deviate from that a decent amount if I really want to practice a particular champ. I have yet to go on 5+ win streaks with Nautilus, but I think I'm doing about as well as can be expected considering what I've had to work with some matches. I'm certainly better supporting with Nautilus than I ever was with Sona. Like Garen, he just fits me perfectly.

Also, following Mr. AP Jinx Support's example to a small extent, I'm finding myself looking for picks that should catch people a little by surprise, bettering my chances that tiny bit more. Anything to get an edge. Naut has seen some play since popping up in the LCS recently, for example, yet I've only had a couple run-ins with fellow Naut supports, and actually seen more Naut junglers. I can see Galio supp performing a similar function once I get around to buying him, as Galio is virtually nonexistent, especially in ranked. His ult is Amumu-level good, and the troubles I had CSing with him when I tested him out during free week shouldn't be an issue if I'm supporting.

I've also toyed with Ekko in custom matches in PBE, since I know it's doubtful I get to play him otherwise, and I can see myself taking him top, jungle, mid, and maybe even support, which means, if all goes according to plan, that I'll have someone I'm comfortable with available practically anywhere I go, and that I can avoid being counterpicked by telling the others in champ select that I can switch and go whichever spot's best. That's a big if, but I love Ekko so much I'm going to work my butt off to make it a reality. He's like all the things I love most combined into one champion. Safe, ranged poke and wave clear with his Q, which has a slow on top of it. A shield with his W that can zone enemies, make him into a temporary turret-immune tank late game if you use it preemptively before a turret dive, and stun multiple targets (plus a passive which causes you to deal bonus damage to low health targets). An escape/gap closer/steroid with his E. An ult that's sort of like Zed's, only more versatile. For instance, if you're sitting on a pile of money you've been too busy to spend, you can recall, buy an item or two, and ult back to lane. Conversely, if you run teleport, and there's a kill opportunity within range of a ward, you could teleport in, pick that person off, then ult back to base before any other enemies in the area have time to react. Then there's the potential for jukes, surprise ults if you use the bushes, etc. Oh, and a passive which gives bonus damage, slows, and movement speed buffs as you stack it. I don't know that Riot could put out a champion that would get me more excited.

Anywho, thanks for the well wishes! :)

MorbidlyObeese2 votes

Normals will make you worse at the game as many of the players doing normals are mindlessly grinding out ip. I like ranked for when I want to play serious and not have to deal with the excuse of "oh it's only a normal man calm down"

EkkoFroffles1 votes

Not if you take the approach I've started taking. I spam my best/favorite champions in normals until I know them well enough that I can make the jump to ranked. Did it with Amumu and went 8-2 my first 10 (3.85 KDA). Did it with Nautilus, went 0/8/23 and won my first match supporting with him. Did it with Malzahar, and went 21/5/2 in a match when every other lane lost heavily. Even tons of co-op with a particular champion can help, as knowing that champion's combos, last hitting, and how much they can both take and dish out, and knowing it well can really help you down the line. My first Lux match, in normals, I went 8/6/8 against a Katarina with top being a wreck (3/9/2) and our jungler being mostly a non-factor (5/8/5). Trynd went 13/1/3, getting fed off that top laner, and as Lux I stood zero chance against that. But still, I like to think I did quite well for a first time normal, all things considered, and having a half dozen or so co-ops with her under my belt helped.

Nothing beats experience. It's why I lose lane with Garen maybe 1 out of every 20 times, even with facing my "counters" most matches in ranked. I've played him in co-op, ranked, 3v3, team builder, blind pick, draft pick, etc. I know him inside and out and I benefit immensely from that. Which is why I'm now trying to get to the same point with other champions like Naut (supp) and Malzahar now. Just playing them a lot, even if you don't do the best, can be more help than you'd imagine.

I wish I had spammed Vi more before taking her to ranked. I probably would've fared better than 0-2 with a 1.37 KDA. Experience can't solve everything, as I was 0-5, 1.69 KDA with Janna in ranked back when I supported with her in ranked and normals exclusively. But it does help a lot.

HeroSaitama1 votes

ok let me explain somethings to help you out. first of all if your under bronze 1 you probably don't know how to trade,farm atleast 200 cs by 30mins(which you want to do more.). Now don't listen to the top 5 best champs to play in solo queue per lane. You need to know and learn a champion. For example chogath is really good for farming and extremely effective in in lower elo if you land multiple q knock ups then your on your way to winning the game. But the thing about chogath is that he is a simple champion. So your relatively new at the game so learning easy champions are the way to go or learning the mechanics of other champions. Tryndamere is probably one of the easiest champions to learn and all you have to do is how to cs,trade and get OBJECTIVES. Ok so before i breakdown tryndamere theres things you need to understand for example When you play tank top your relying on your team to do good so you have a good chance to win. If your team does bad and your chances of carrying depend on good follow ups but in bronze you should not expect anything. Carry top laners make the game easier. Back to tryndamere when you play this champ you have options. Take as many towers as you can,split push all day, make rotational plays if in position to do so. I have carried games where i was like 0/8/some assist i had the most turrets on our team. The worst thing that can happen is that your team feed a storm for example look at my most recent 2 game some of those games are winnable, and some are not. It all depends on your team making the right choices. If you have any futher questions about the top lane just add me i can give some pointers.

EkkoFroffles1 votes

Unless I have to cover my team's butt by constantly roaming to shut down the people they feed, or I win in lane to such a degree that I spend the rest of the match trying to snowball further and help my teammates snowball, I manage 5+ CS per minute, with 6+ happening pretty often. That's in top lane, by far my best position. 5 CS per minute (150 at 30 min.) is like my baseline, even mid and ADC, which I'm not nearly as good at.

A lot of my losses it comes down to the fact that, like you said, tankier champs are more there to boost an already good team. My 10 matches with Amumu are the perfect example. 8-2. 8 matches where I was able to act as an amplifier for my team, 2 where they were too outclassed for a team-dependent jungler to be of much help. If I jungle Amumu, and every lane is losing by a kill or two before I hit 6, my chances of winning are really low.

With Wukong I could possibly turn that around if I get fed enough, but not with Amumu. Likewise, if I don't win lane hard with Garen and make it so I can leave top alone the rest of the match, barring an epic carry on my part, I'm not of much use. I have carry type champions I could play. Darius and Wukong for instance. But my comfort level on Garen is a 10 whereas it's maybe 7-8 with them. I can win against any lane opponent with Garen, even my counters, so despite him offering my team less overall, and my win rate with Wukong being identical (in fewer matches), I find it hard not to choose him when I get top.

CrownPuff1 votes

Leveling up a 2nd account won't do much. You may get lucky and place higher than you are right now, but with time you'll drop to the same or a similar place to where you are. Believe it or not, after a certain # of games, the ranked system is actually pretty good at judging your skill level.

EkkoFroffles1 votes

When I started, back during pre-season, I landed in either B3 or B2 after my provisionals. I then proceeded to go 2-15 because, like I said, I started way too early. This season, in every respect, from stats to wins, I'm leaps and bounds better, and performed better in my provisionals, yet got slotted into B5. I improved even more from there, winning 60+% of my matches for a month or two and getting promoted to B4 like 5 times, with the one time being when 6 wins in a row only netted me 9 LP per victory because of my MMR still somehow not being high enough for it to just get me to promos like it would for someone else.

Since then, all my luck has dried up. I've been almost perpetually 5-7 wins away from a 50-50 record (110-117 currently), which means I've been averaging about 50% (at least) since my extremely poor start. I've been told that should be good enough to climb slowly, but it's getting me nowhere due in small part to the worst string of luck I've had since I've started. My last 8-10 attempts at matches, I've had to dodge to avoid a sure loss (ex. double jungle, no ADC) over half the time. In the matches I have played, I'm 3-2. The one loss everyone took the push-deep-with-no-wards approach to laning all match and acted surprised when the enemy jungler cleared house and I couldn't do much ganking wise. The other my entire team had 10+ kills each in a mere 35 minute match. I went 9/8/11 despite, for all intents and purposes, duo laning against GP and Voli. Whenever I went to try and help other lanes, those two were right back at my turret making it so sticking around elsewhere meant them taking out all my turrets.

When I top, I keep my CS at 5+ per minute, unless it's one of those matches where the laning phase is almost nonexistent due to other lanes losing, meaning I have to teamfight the remainder of the match or else they'll be helpless. This is happening with alarming frequency, and it's difficult to win in those scenarios. I'll blame myself when I know I was most certainly at fault, like my two attempts at Vi jungle not too long ago, but I'm hard pressed to think of what more I could possibly have done in some of my more recent matches and it's driving me mad.

So even if I just find myself in B2/3 like when I first started, that would be enough for me for now. I'm not saying I'm a silver level player. I'm not one anymore than that friend I mentioned is. Had you ever played ranked with him, or even normals, you'd agree. But I do believe I can at least play at a high bronze level and one day make it to silver. And the people in B4 and B3, from my experiences, are a cut above the B5s I've been stuck with recently, so the going shouldn't be quite as tough as it is now. I mean, when I was spending a lot of time in B4, things were so much better team wise. You wouldn't think one division would make that big a difference, but it does.

CrownPuff2 votes

I think your perception of what cannot win (i.e. double jungle no adc) really doesn't apply in the elo bracket you are in. Really anything can win and you just have to go in with the mindset that even if your teammates 'troll' you'll just carry them to victory. Also, regarding CS/min, thats a good metric to keep but what's a better metric is the gold difference between you and your enemy counterpart. It's fine and dandy to be cs'ing well, but to climb you need to consistently be richer, higher lvl, and have a bigger impact on the game than your enemy counterpart.

EkkoFroffles1 votes

I've won 4v5s and the like, yes. That doesn't mean I'd rather hold out hope for the off-chance that we win in spite of not having an ADC, and in spite of one of those two junglers being a bad and toxic player, than sacrifice the 3 LP and 5 minutes to try for something safer. Especially since I've also lost the reverse (5v4s). It's easy enough to lose in bronze when everything's "equal," as bronze is the land of throws, trolls, etc. I don't want to enter a match where that potential's much higher than usual.

With regards to CSing, I keep track of all that you mentioned as well. For Garen, I even have a Word document listing every match I've played with him this season, sorted by opponent, with the KDA and CS per minute listed for myself and each opponent. I'm still working on denying CS, but I am getting better at it, and I generally out-level, out-earn, and out-perform my lane opponent whenever I top lane, win or lose. It's rare that I'm the one lagging behind. Sometimes I alone can't do enough to salvage a win, but it usually has little to do with my lane opponent.

ItzxJosh1 votes

u didn't get 9 lp because of your mmr... you got 9 lp, because the matchmaker expected your team to win, just like if it expects you to lose you don't lose much lp either. watch how much you gain or lose when a major stomping occurs on either side, probly not much, cuz your team mmr was probly like 20-30 mmr higher then their teams... which is a lot, Idk exactly how their matckmaking system is based or why it makes so many unfair matchups... I have my ideas but most of all I know lp is gained or lost in the amounts they are because of team mmr's.... whats a team mmr? Well in 5v5 rift you +4 other's mmr add them together an divide by 5... one other thing is the introduction of the master tier... it's scrambled the division's around, so now b5 is like... well, wood league xD ppl really give no shits about their ranked in this division, or if they do, they either gave up an just play ranked more for fun or they gave up hope an troll most of their games, or just don't understand enuf to rank up... consistency is the key to ranking up my friend :) keep playing, an stick with it, if you're really as good as you say you are, u will rank up. Promise. I sorta stuck in b3 myself atm. I don't give up that I'll rank up when I lose a 2 or 3 in a row, I try to learn where I messed up, an what shots I called that were bad, or if I shotcalled an no1 listened then what did I do to make them not wanna listen?

EkkoFroffles1 votes

I've been told on numerous occasions that that's a lie. That all ranked matches are made to be as even as possible and that if you gain 9 LP per win for 6 straight and 27 LP for a loss it's the game's way of telling you you don't belong there or higher due to your MMR.

Kagemyth1 votes

so basically due to the way riot does resets you would want to raise you rank before the season ends or no matter how well you do in placements for season 6 you will end up back in low bronze, your best bet would probably be to play with someone who can help you get a better grasp of the game preferably on voice Dominican seems like a nice enough guy and would probably be able to legitimately coach you if you are willing.

EkkoFroffles1 votes

I have a S5 friend, and one who's been silver in the past and will probably be silver again soon (B2, 90 LP ATM), but they tend to get caught up playing duo together. Like last night, before that debacle that had me wishing death on all but my jungler, I invited both to duo with me. One declined and the other was doing something else at the time, so I gave up and played on my own. He thinks I overstate how much having a duo partner you can Skype with and rely on to not be a waste of space or a troll can help. He keeps saying I have to focus on improving myself, which I know is important. But it's hard to do that when I go into every match expecting to have to win all 3 lanes singlehandedly, no matter what spot I'm at. In normals he'll get mad when I don't fulfill a particular tank duty, such as go in to CC/meat shield to allow my teammates to escape, or to initiate a team fight. But the teams I've had in ranked, or even normals without him and my other friends, make it so anytime I do stuff like that it's a waste. Oh, I blew all my CC on the jungler who's trying to gank my ADC, and the two bot laners are also there? Forget escaping, I wanna fight. Oh, you initiated and nearly had 2 of them by yourself? We're gonna run instead of follow up. The more I play in bronze 5, the worse I feel I become in some respects because playing with the quality of teams I get is teaching me bad habits.

EkkoFroffles1 votes

And I wasn't ignoring you. I was busy practicing my Nautilus support and, in those matches, busy trying not to flip out on my teammates, particularly my feeding, useless junglers. I tried using "/reply," but that only works if you get a message while in match. I don't know how to message a specific person while in match otherwise. For now I'm just going to continue practicing on my own and with that S4 and B2 friend.

Kagemyth1 votes

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And I wasn't ignoring you. I was busy practicing my Nautilus support and, in those matches, busy trying not to flip out on my teammates, particularly my feeding, useless junglers. I tried using "/reply," but that only works if you get a message while in match. I don't know how to message a specific person while in match otherwise. For now I'm just going to continue practicing on my own and with that S4 and B2 friend.

oh yeah no thats fine i waws just checking to see if things were goin ok tbh i havent slpet in about 30 hours sooooo

grooveline1 votes

Best way out of bronze is to play a carry champ and not trust your team. I'm spamming renekton out of bronze as we speak. godspeed my friend.

EkkoFroffles1 votes

See, my problem with that is I'm not exactly the "carrying" type. Sure, I'll sometimes have matches like the one in which I went 9/0/6 as Wukong top, outperforming Nasus to such an extent that he was 0/5 and had something like 1/4th my CS, and forcing a surrender... but there's a reason I often build "carry" types like Wukong or Darius on the tanky side. You could drop me into a match as, say, Katarina at level 18 with a full glass-cannon build and I'd crumble. I just feel so much more at home in the tank/support/fighter spot, despite being decent at multiple potential carries since I don't respond well to that sort of heightened pressure. Naut support, for instance, I can do stuff like I did last night, where I had next to no HP and could still duke it out with my opponents under their inhibitor turret like it was nothing for a good 10-15 seconds. I like that room for error. If I try to carry with a nearly full damage Wukong, it's so easy for everything to collapse, as evidenced by the match in which I got my first ever (and still only) quadra with him. I did all I could to carry, but a mistake here and a mistake there was all they needed to win. Tanks are so much more forgiving.

Vakosh1 votes

Hey man if you want I can practice with you and play games with you. I landed silver and this is my first season but I've kept my eye out on a lot of league stuff but I have that bronze mindset and get rekt. We can both improve on what we lack but it's up to you. I can help you with stuff you don't know and point you to the right direction on mistakes. I sent you a friend request.

If not, then don't get demoralized man. Losing is a part of winning. Bronze is pretty low and I was sure I was going to be bronze 5 lol but I landed silver 3. I went 6-4 in my promos but It could have easily been a 9-1 type of thing. I had trolls and a first timer takin my mid spot at one point. The other two my top and jungle just threw and fed 15 something kills each. You just have to play a role where you can carry from and make plays to make up for your team.

Practice CS, trading, and lane positioning. Try to work on your last hitting and trading the most because the more gold you got the easier the time you will have in lane. Trade when you can see it benefiting you and you taking the least possible amount of damage. In bronze positioning is bad on everyone's part so if you can work that out a little while doing well with CS you can easily get out of bronze. It's just that you have to carry your game because there are a lot of trolls and derpos in bronze. So you have to do a lot to ensure you put that fear on the enemy team. Use your team mates if you have to.

The main thing is to not let your feelings get in the way of the game. My 9th promo game went bad but not as the ones before but the important thing I want to touch on is after getting rekt that game I played my last right after. I was 7-1 in my 9th game but my team roamed my lane and pretty much caused the game to end in a loss. I was in a fk it mood but I played my last promo and I got my main role which is mid. I played the same champ and I tried to touch on my mistakes from last game. My team was more useful even though the jungle was a first timer. I kept everyone positive and didn't go out of my way for kills that would end in my death and my team being baited to theirs. I went 17-6 as Kassadin vs TF. Try to keep a positive mind set and don't rage. If other ppl make mistakes that's their problem. You have to focus on your self and your goal to carry them through that game.

EkkoFroffles1 votes

I'd be up for playing, sure. Just, for now, I'm going to be doing what the one guy said and spam my best champions until they're second nature to me, like Garen. Did it with Nautilus. Tonight I'm going to start doing it with Malzahar. The next 2-3 days Wukong (top and jungle). Friday Graves. Etc. Then, once I've reached that level of comfort with all my best champions in each spot, maybe... just maybe, I'll play ranked again.

And I can take losing. Even the occasional troll. It's when 3/4th the time I either have to dodge because of champ select trolls or lose because of crap/troll teammates, which has been the case lately, that I get discouraged. That and the trolliest, Leeroy Jenkins-est guy I play with somehow being Silver V despite feeding 10+ kills every match. He does all the wrong things, literally everything that people tell bronze players to avoid, and is a worse player than me in the opinion of my other friends and he's that much higher. When we were at least close to one another it was fine. But him being S5 makes me want to give the entire ranked system and the ranked gods a big middle finger. :/

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