Passive adc

SuchLucyWow·Jan 7, 2015·2 votes·1,893 views

Hello everyone!

I've been hearing from a lot of people that I'm a passive adc. My main champion is jinx, and I know she's supposed to be a lane bully. I do poke the enemy, and try to push the lane sometimes, but I also concentrate a lot on the minions, especially in the beginning. When I get a few kills fast, I'm not scared and know I'm fed so I poke a lot and then I become aggressive and get even more kills! But as soon as I play a game, and I know that my enemy adc counters me, I get scared. I also have this issue with friends, so it's not that I don't know what the stranger support would do. But sometimes the support goes in, even though I don't know the support wants to, (mostly I just think the support is poking) and then I come in late and then I can't save the support from dying and then they start to blame me for being passive. But then I'm like, well yeah I prefer not to die so ping next time. But it's mostly the fear for the counter that holds me back. So I want to ask you guys some advice on how to deal with this. Because it's getting a little frustrating to hear this even from friends.

Thanks for taking the time to read this!

14 Comments

TeemoJenkinsJan 7, 20151 votes

As a person who mostly plays support if I'm poking I'll just dive into them and then immediately pull back. If I want to kill them I'll ping who we're going to kill and I will unload on them. Communication goes both ways. You have 1:55 to develop a strategy in game, use that time.

PhazeticJan 8, 20151 votes

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As a person who mostly plays support if I'm poking I'll just dive into them and then immediately pull back. If I want to kill them I'll ping who we're going to kill and I will unload on them. Communication goes both ways. You have 1:55 to develop a strategy in game, use that time.

I main Blitz, and I agree with this... I try to pull to get the other adc worried about making cs, and the way I see it, the more I send the bot to base, the better off we will get, so pull, hit, but don't go aggresive and die... let it come and then the snowball works... I want my adc to keep getting cs especially at the begining stages and if we get behind

so I wouldn't worry about it

SuchLucyWowJan 8, 20151 votes

So what you're saying is that the support also plays a big role in how aggressive the lane is?

RawrfulJan 7, 20151 votes

Jinx is not a lane bully. Corki and Lucian and Graves are lane bullies.

That said, you do need to get over the fear. Playing scared of your opponent won't ever get you ahead. You just need to play more and get a good handle on how to trade with Jinx against the other ADCs so you can stay in a threatening position without actually being engaged. Once you are confident on how to trade effectively and how to position, you should be able to join in with your support when they go in without too many issues.

ShmeckleMancerJan 8, 20151 votes

I definitely agree with Rawrful here. My most recent example of "confidence" is that I my main is Teemo, but recently started trying out some other champs. I really like Kog'Maw but I'm not confident in him yet, and it's been showing. I've just been getting wrecked. Where as with Teemo, I know him pretty well and can pull off silly plays and don't worry about to many champs giving him grief (Lucian is a very notable exception!)

The more time you spend running a champ, the more confident you should be come. Knowing when and where to act, and you'll find that it matters less and less what support your paired with, and to some degree their ability level. Sometimes it's nice when the support isn't there and you can still grab a kill or push the lane to their tower with out suffering any real loss.

JUST KEEP PLAYING, until that champ fits like an old shoe and then run through the opposing team. Don't get discouraged, it's hard especially if you've been playing for a while and a champ you really want to use is causing you a lot of loss.

BUY VISION.

KIeiJan 8, 20151 votes

Outplay the matchup. Ask for ganks if you know you can't win, and only engage when you get them. Don't feed the lane nor push too far, freeze it to farm safely. When you see your support doing stupid shit, ping them away. It's not their job to kill an enemy it's yours so if they want to kill someone tell them you will go in, not them. You won't learn if you constantly chicken out and see how you can outplay them. Losing is a great way to learn. What did you do wrong in that fight? What will you do next time against that counter?

TerraeclipseJan 8, 20151 votes

Here's a tip.

If your support goes in, follow. If they back off, back off. This way you're there if they create kill opportunities, at the very least, both lane members charging at you is likely to give most people pause and have them back off a little.

It can also help you zone. I would say mimic your support. If they're just hanging out in the bush autoing peeps, don't sweat it. You see an ability go off (that's not nami w, because that's part of her poke, etc), you'd better be RIGHT there ready to engage.

It might also help you to play a bit of a longer ranged adc due to this as well. Jinx is strong, but not early. It might be easier to play aggressive with a strong early champ. IE , Cait, Lucian, Graves. Someone that has a huge amount of kill potential Pre 6. And then team up with a support that will have your back.

Ez. ;)

-T

SuchLucyWowJan 8, 20151 votes

Thank you very much everyone! I'll try and do my best to work on these tips. Perhaps playing Caitlyn is a great idea! Her long range is insane, and I poke an enemy from long range! Perhaps she'll help me to become more confident in lane.

But that also means that I have to get a better look on what my support is doing? But I do agree, communication is the key to teamwork!

Drunk RummateJan 8, 20151 votes

Levels 1-3 pretty much dictate how the lane is going to go for a very long time. You should be trying your hardest to gain an HP and wave advantage at the early levels as an ADC because this lets you gain a CS advantage going into your first item.

Being passive at this early stage will snowball. The side that loses early pressure often gives the first kill in lane, or at a minimum is the first to recall if there is no jungle pressure. As jinx you have a decent range advantage with your Q as well as tons of pushing power. You should auto the first wave a little extra to make sure that when the second wave comes you can kill it much faster than your opponent, and then use your minion and level advantage them to harass them very aggressively (or go all in if possible). This should secure you the early lane phase. Depending on how that goes you may want to stop being as aggressive and freeze the wave to punish them, or try to harass them under tower behind your creeps if they aren't low enough to freeze on.

SuchLucyWowJan 8, 20151 votes

Thank you! This makes a lot of sense, because it's mostly the enemy team who's lvl 2 first. Because I let the minions come to me, so I actually have to push hard in the beginning and then later on let them come more to me, and then back to pushing, kinda like that?

Drunk RummateJan 8, 20151 votes

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Thank you! This makes a lot of sense, because it's mostly the enemy team who's lvl 2 first. Because I let the minions come to me, so I actually have to push hard in the beginning and then later on let them come more to me, and then back to pushing, kinda like that?

Wave control itself is very important. You should learn to control the wave to the best of your ability so that you can make the most of your advantages or turtle up when necessary. The more you attack the wave the more it pushes, generally. But if you don't attack at all while your opponent does then it will shove all the way into your tower and reset.

The key to freezing is to make it so there are 1-3 extra minions on the enemy wave than your own, attacking when necessary to thin out the wave and letting those last 1-3 minions attack you instead of getting to the turret if your wave disappears. You want to freeze under 2 main conditions - 1 is if you think you are going to get ganked. The other is if your opponent has very low health and you want to force him to recall or overextend for his CS (which can help you kill him).

There are several ways to push and you have to decide which to use and how you want to punish your opponent. One way is to slowly last hit when you have more minions in your wave than the enemy wave. This causes your minion wave to slowly build up and become very large. It kind of works like a reverse freeze. This is useful if you want to harass/dive your opponent under turret or put a lot of damage on their turret in one big push. Keep in mind your opponent can counteract this by thinning out your wave. The other way to push is to shove very hard and quickly. This resets the next wave in the middle of the lane since your minions will all quickly die under the opponents turret. It makes harassing and putting damage on the enemy turret tougher to do, however, and it causes you to extend yourself more often if you want to take advantage of that.

Skia AsteriJan 8, 20151 votes

helpful video

The best place to start on not being too passive is to train yourself to hit the enemy whenever they do damage to you to keep you HP closer to even.

insaiyanbaccaJan 8, 20151 votes

the way i learned to be as aggressive as i play now(maybe to aggressive) is i played and learned the champs that you have to be aggressive with to do good (shaco, draven, teemo that kind of stuff) it might not work for you but it did for me

DlGNITYJan 8, 20151 votes

Here's another tip:

ADC match-ups don't matter. Support match-ups do. The only ADC that really counters anyone is Caitlyn who counters everyone, but is weaker later on and most supports can cancel her escape.

Just make sure you play around the enemy support and don't eat unnecessary poke.