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Why I can't carry as a jungler at lower elos

Elendil Dagorlad·11/2/2014, 4:45:29 PM·1 votes·2,078 views

Hi, I am new to lol (june) so I've not much experience. I recently started to do ranked and I firstly placed in silver 2. I main jungle, playing shaco, amumu, xin, pantheon, shaco being my preferred one. I started to lose games and to be decreased (I am now silver 5 in like 2 weeks).

I don't understand what am I doing wrong. I play bad games sometimes, you know, some bad starts or some misplayed matches; sometime I play in a role that I am not good at. It happens. But I generally tend to be good and to get kills and assists in the early game. Then I don't know why my laners start to feed enemies...

I just played my second match of a series to gain silver 4 and I lost the opportunity I don't know why... Look at the final score in the image. I started to counter jungler fiddle like crazy, he never touched a blue but first and just few reds, I scored first kill, I solo dragon 3 times and they never had one. I helped mid and top in the early game, ryze was like 2/0 and garen 1/0 and.........

Caitlin started to feed vayne, and we started to lose bottom. Fizz started to roam bottom and killed ryze and some bottom champions, garen stopped to farm cause kha is outfarming him. I tried to split push like crazy, destroyed 2 or 3 towers and we were like 3 towers ahed. While I was split pushing caitling in team fight was every time got caught in the first line, even if I told her to stay behind team. At some point it happens tthat we had 5 kills vs 2, and 2 lanes pushed to their base. I told them to push mid and then to come fast at baron to do it, no one wanted to come, 2 of us went mid to take a tower and back again. Next team fight we lost and they did (obviously) baron. I had like 2 deaths, at the end of the game I obviosly got killed too, that's why you see 6 deaths.

Every time it's the same, laners feed enemies, no matter how good is my score. Every time there's a damn feeder who starts losing lane. Every time we have a good start then someone mess it out and I keep losing even good matches. What do I have to do? I am really disappointed as I can't figure it out...

14 Comments

Lapison11/2/2014, 5:52:56 PM3 votes

Hmmm...well, disclaimer, I'm probably not right, because I don't play much jungle. But I have some tips maybe? Just for this game, though; can't speak to your effectiveness in other games.

Seems like for the first ten minutes, you're essentially counterjungling. I don't see too much gank presence from you until around 10 minutes, although you're really shutting down Fiddle. Counterjungling is essentially aimed at the enemy jungler. Looks like you're doing that exceedingly well. So Fiddle is now extremely behind. He can't actually gank for a while. And you convert that pressure into a couple of kills, and you feel like you're ahead, right?

Well, the gold deficit says otherwise. It seems like the enemy is always only 2-4k behind you, which means one bad team fight can really turn the tides. It doesn't seem like you're putting ENOUGH pressure on the enemy lanes. Granted, you pressure mid a lot (translates into kills on Fizz), but meanwhile Kha's just farming like crazy and zoning Garen, and bot's not really winning.

If Fiddle is behind, you can afford to waste some time, show up bot, put a scare into Vayne/Blitz, and then get away. It's fine if you don't get kills. One lane can carry, but it's even better if two or more can.

Shaco's team fight is...eh, so maybe you just don't have as much presence there. Maybe your team just gets caught and dies. If they're losing, I think (big disclaimer THINK) the best way to win is to just split like mad. They have to send someone to take care of you; most likely you can be a huge pain and get away pretty quick.
In addition, when you look at "damage done to champs", your damage is actually lower than some others, like Cait and Ryze. It's worth noting that Cait's actually doing more damage to the enemy team than the Vayne. Granted, she's not actually getting kills, but she's forcing them away and stuff like that. I think she actually won lane against Vayne (but then again, that's to be expected, Cait really owns Vayne at lower levels), and you're just remembering all the times when she's out of position.

I think as Shaco, you have amazing pick potential. Try to get in and destroy their main damage dealers. In this case, seems like that's Kha and Vayne. So if you don't feel like splitting because you're a true team player, Q in behind them, and try to spot a potential squishy you can blow up. If you take them out, Cait and the others could probably clean house. If their damage is gone, they're gonna have a bad time.

When about half your team dies and they're going to do baron, it looks like you're still alive, and you know they're going to do baron. IMO, nothing is more important than stopping that baron. If it goes down, you lose. You're Shaco, and hopefully you have your Q and smite up. Go in and try and steal. It's something that merits another death; stealing baron is often a massive psychological boost, and it also demoralizes the enemy team. You can take another death for the greater good.
Just in general, I don't believe the early game matters as much as you think it does. Granted, if you win it, you have an advantage. But IMO, one kill on Garen is not enough to make him fed. He comes out with advantage, but it's still anyone's game. Just find ways to keep winning. (I know that sounds callous, but it's the best I can say.)

Um, thanks for reading this! I'm not the best League of Legends player (I'm still not even Level 30), but maybe I helped a bit?

Duchess of Deer11/2/2014, 4:52:18 PM2 votes

well you are playing shaco you fall off hard late game

God Mode Enabled11/3/2014, 4:06:08 PM1 votes

maybe you should think more about not using guides to make your build and actually play right, you literally followed the purchase order to the T of several guides showing you have no clue what you are even doing with shaco. move along, l2gank

Elendil Dagorlad11/10/2014, 5:40:54 PM1 votes

I update the thread with 2 more examples: shaco amumu

Shaco game: I was ahead 7 0 2 early game... Vi did not do a thing. First dragon, lanes good. Then, all of a sudden, all lanes started to fed... What am I suppose to do to keep the advantage? I cannot gank 24/7 all lanes, I also need to farm and counter jungle and take towers... I am expecting some self lane sustain, Vi didn't gank a lot so why their lanes are always getting kills while mine not?

Amumu: I was farming till lvl 4 or 5, I ganked 2 or 3 times mid and top to put pressure. My teammates started to die like flies. Is there something I have to do or does it just happen and there's nothing I can do?

Genreninja11/10/2014, 6:16:36 PM1 votes

Applying some math:

Effectiveness Ratings

Fizz : 3.1 Shaco : 2.5 Vayne : 11.0 Caitlyn : 1.0 Blitzcrank : 3.75 Ryze : 1.4 Fiddlesticks : 4.1 Garen : 1.2 Khazix 8.3 Leona : 1

Don't ask how I got those #'s, it's Math. The point is, just look at the effectiveness rating of each champion on the board. The lowest opponent, was more effective than the most effective person on your team (you).

Now these numbers don't tell me what the problem is per se, and rather tell me that there is a problem.

Were you the most effective member of your team? Yes. Were you strong enough to carry them? No. Was it there fault? No.

You CAN carry, but you have to be MORE effective than the other team. In order to get how to actually do that we'd have to look at your actual in-game decision making.

Counter-Jungle Less: As you can see, even though you counter-jungled Fiddle hard, it didn't really help. He was almost 2x more effective than you were. My guess, is your after-counter decisions were weak. After you steal his blue, where do you go? After taking his buff you want to push an objective. He can a) try to get your buff, which keeps you safe while pushing an objective. Or b) come stop you. In which case you're stronger because you have his buff so at most he can stalemate at tower. Opening up 2 other lanes for your team to pressure.
Solo-Dragon Less: Solo'ing dragon is a great show of power. But it's slow. It's better to communicate with your team and have them come join you. Not only will Dragon fall faster, but your team is safer when they are near you. If you're solo'ing it, your teammates out doing god knows what are less-safe.
Focus TOWERS more: In you're entire post you list all these great things: Solo dragon, Counter-Jungle, help lanes. But you're goal is not to do any of that. Your goal is to secure the tower fall. Whether that's gank the lane so your ally can take the tower. Or take an undefended tower after your ally dies. You should always be setting up your allies to take objectives. Not just helping them survive. If they aren't taking the objectives, you take it for them.

God Mode Enabled11/10/2014, 6:49:57 PM1 votes

to the op... you are the scum of league of legends... seriously

look at their deaths? YOUR WORST ALLIE ONLY HAS FOUR MORE DEATHS THAN YOU

Just because you have the most kills you simply ignore all those assists your allies have, implying that you think you actually did everything in this game on your own when the reality is you most likely waited for enemys to get low then went in and 1-2 shot them when they were already at half HP

so congrats on being the "best player on your team" while not only ignoring your allies actualy scores ( kills + assists combined ) but also building your shaco with a SPLIT PUSH JUNGLE BUILD...

you are a fucking assassin... and you choose hydra? STOP FOLOWING MOBAFIRE GUIDES AND L2P

its not the low level elo, its your completel crap mobafire build and lack of acknowledging your teammates actually did more for you than you think.

post the game stats bro not just a picture of the scores, im sure the damage to enemys will reflect just how little you did compared to your allies

logique11/10/2014, 7:14:51 PM1 votes

@Lapison good point but incredibly frustrating to see a comment that he's not putting enough pressure. That's classic blame the jungler (point one). He already shut down his "lane" opponent and helped out other lanes. Just how much map pressure can one person give without assistance from his teammates? Especially someone whose source of income in the game is spread out.

insaiyanbacca11/10/2014, 7:21:51 PM1 votes

ok you can carry from jungle just not with shaco in silver. he does very good but he falls off late game usually unless insanely fed early like 20/0 fed, but lategame shaco usually has to rely on his teammates which sometimes doesnt work in silver. i'd recommend a jungler with an okay early and a powerful late. personally for this i prefer hecarim, but maokai and vi are both good for this. i haven't played much amumu jungle but i think he does ok for this. and jax is reasonable for this purpose. hope this helps and isnt to confusing

StOrmysLIVE11/2/2014, 10:06:23 PM1 votes

Be a proactive jungle not a reactive one. I'm guessing you are reacting to stupid moves your team does and try to fix/save the bad situation, when instead you could have counted on your team sucking and turning that into a actual play by yourself. Don't feed kills yo crappy players who dies, keep it for yourself to make the most impact on the game.

I'm an adc main, and although I'm not the best adc, I make plays happen by wreckingbad players that do stupid things-i Just make sure I'm closeby enough to punish them