Bronze Experiment

Godhri·3/27/2015, 8:46:49 AM·2 votes·2,375 views

Ok guys. I just wanted to say I will be initiating an experiment. I am a Gold 2 Mid Main Ahri Lissandra Lux Orianna .

In my experiment, I will be making a new account. I will level it up to 30 and then try to play at a Bronze level to place in Bronze 5. I want to see if someone starts playing at a Gold level, would it be possible for them to get themselves out. Everyone claims it is but no one has actually proven this. I want to demystify this age old issue. Plus many bronzies claim they are silver and even gold skill level players who are just stuck in "elo hell". Let me be clear though I will not purposely lose a game just so that I will place in Bronze! What I will be doing is; I will be playing at a skill level that I think Bronze players play at until I reach actual rank games

Unless of course, Riot disapproves of this experiment then I won't do it as I realize that in doing so, I may ruin the gaming experience for some players. If I do go through with this, it will go on for at least a month. I want to see where I can take the account within just one month of play. (unfortunately, leveling it up will be a pain in the butt). Heck, I'll even try to do it with one champion only (probably one who is versatile enough to fill 4/5 of the roles like Nidalee)

23 Comments

rth23/27/2015, 4:05:23 PM6 votes

It has been mentioned, but this experiment has been done before by players of all different levels. I think the important thing to note to new players is the concept that the results of this experiment prove.

Elo Hell does not exist but glass ceilings do exist.

Elo Hell as defined as your team holding you back (either because they are poor quality teammates or due to afk's / trolls/ feeders ). This is because both sides can be assumed equal in Solo Queue MMR wise, where you are the variable you control. Symmetry arguments show that on an average both teams will have equal amounts of feeders, leavers, etc... except with you able to make your team have less of those types of players. While unlucky streaks can happen, climbing the ladder is supposed to occur over many games, not just a select few or small number.

Glass Ceilings are your lack of skill / understanding holding you back from victory. A glass ceiling is a point where you may play above your current MMR on most occasions, but you do not play above it high enough to carry the game single handed. This means you are more reliant on your team, which means if your team is playing poorly you cannot compensate. Hitting a glass ceiling means that there is something you must learn / understand about the game (whether it be mechanical skill, game-play concept, etc....) before you can proceed without being reliant on your team. Once you gain this new ability or understanding it suddenly becomes clearer what tools you need to use to effect the game (especially when your team is losing) and you are able to carry your team again and break through that glass ceiling.


The main lesson from glass ceilings is that if you are consistently stuck somewhere, it is because you have something to learn. If you are stuck in Bronze 5, then yes you may play at a higher level, perhaps bronze 4 - 2 (or whatever range) but are you playing at a skill level that can compensate for your team? There is also a consistency issue, do you consistently play at a higher level? If you do consistently play better (but only a little better) that means you will be able to carry slightly weaker teams but may not be able to carry if you team falls a certain amount behind.


As far as I can tell, this problem only gets harder as you reach higher levels of play. This is because as you get to higher levels of play, your team becomes more necessary as it becomes harder to solo carry. This line of thinking is mainly due to "The Gatekeeper of Challenger". This was during season 3 (no masters tier). Players would get into promotions for challenger, but a player (Fabbbyyy) played so often that he was generally in your placement matches. Fabbbyyy would play ultra aggressive no matter what (there are youtube video's). This means Fabbbyyy would either win hard or lose hard (be fed or feed). With the caliber of teams at the challenger level of play, it is much harder to solo carry a game (by this I mean without any of your teams help). So with this style of play Fabbbyyy almost became the deciding factor in the match. Did he rock? His team will probably win. Did he feed like a beast? His team will probably lose.

Instead of thinking of elo hell (where you cannot get out due to your team) think of a glass ceiling (where you are missing some critical piece of information / skill that will allow you to win independent of your team). The more knowledge / skill you have compared to those around you, the easier it will be for you to work with teams of less skill.

Tatsumi Oga3/27/2015, 9:00:56 AM1 votes

Have you ever heard of a booster? don't waste your time it has been proven many times people who are good enough to be out of bronze will make their way out and a person who's mid gold elo can do it easily.

3tyson3/27/2015, 9:01:55 AM1 votes

You should let me play your 10 matches i. Pretty sure im wood 2 division

Korkalek3/27/2015, 12:23:31 PM1 votes

Not interresting. We have already seen this, even with "only" gold player.

Yes, you will get out of bronze. Might take a bit of time, cause you can't carry every game. Also, you'll make a few mistake in the begining, because you will be surprised by teammates not following obvious calls. But after a while, you'll get used to not relying on teammates reacting logically, and if you persist you will win more game than you loose.

And you'll get out of bronze.

Honnestly, don't do it. Spare some bronzies the frustration of getting crushed by one single out-of-is-league player.

Edit : This is just smurfing. Basic, usual, smurfing. Riot frown upon the practice, but can't really prevent it and don't punish it.

Piantissimo3/27/2015, 2:11:03 PM1 votes

"challenger material (yet)"

then stay in gold you weren't learn jack in bronze there is a stream called SaltyTeemo that streams low elo games, and what you notice is every team that wins, is won by the team with the most solo carries.

if someone better than them plays in their division, then you just stomp lane so hard that what everyone else is doing is negligible, i remember seeing a fizz on that stream with 9 CS, his score was 9 kills something something, all of his CS were enemy champions, you think you'd have fun in that division? then you are insecure, 20 minute stomps are boring and any player that can carry a game knows how to stomp when ahead, that is the quintessence of soloQ

Godhri3/27/2015, 3:04:52 PM1 votes

I'm pretty sure everyone is missing the point here. I'm not doing this for the "fun" of it. Clearly this is for research purposes. I already stomp people I lane against in my own division. This isn't about stomping noobs. This is about experimenting and making it public on these forums for the purpose of reference. This is to show that those who are actually skilled enough will actually get out. Yes there are streams, but obviously since I didn't know about those streams, it means that most likely noobs won't either.

I just want to make accessible a more reliable resource that will show people that if they worked on their skills enough, they could also make it out. The thing is... casual gamers or even some new to gaming but hardcore gamers won't instinctively think "Oh maybe there is a stream about this issue that I can use!". The first place anyone would look would be the forums.

But if what Piantissimo says is true, then I might just look up links of the streams and post it up here as reference material.

Dincht3/27/2015, 3:17:05 PM1 votes

"I will not purposely lose a game just so that I will place in Bronze! What I will be doing is; I will be playing at a skill level that I think Bronze players play at until I reach actual rank games"

This is kind of stupid imo. It's like a high school basketball player playing against elementary basketball players. (sorry for the harsh example) I had an account of Bronze 5 and made it into gold 2. You shouldnt get placed in b5 and "play like that skill level." Basically you're ruining the experience for your teammates who want to win ranked games, for this "research" of yours. Imagine you're in your promo games and this challenger player "play like a bronze". I'm just saying man

Commit Sudoku3/27/2015, 4:14:54 PM1 votes

everyone has proven this already

LoRdJeSuS69694203/27/2015, 6:22:00 PM1 votes

Good luck. In my experience, dropping an account to bronze is nearly impossible. You have to actively try to lose and even then it's difficult, especially since you have to avoid being reported. It takes a lot of games.

On the other hand, I have played on other peoples' bronze level accounts, and the games are very easy to carry. Elo hell is not a real thing. If climbing rank seems like a struggle, it's because you're about where you belong.

Best Darius KR3/27/2015, 9:25:43 PM1 votes

You are the reason some say ELO hell exists

People like you act like white knights saying that they will prove once and for all that ELO hell doesn't exist, and then people feed because, you know, they are against players much more skilled than them, causing the other people on their team to rage because their team feeds

Stop, what you are doing IS NOT good for the community and will NEVER be.

Elite Void3/27/2015, 10:07:31 PM1 votes

it's not that they can't get out. it's that you have to play an unreal amount of games to get out, because 40% of your games you cannot win, due to retarded teammates. The way I look at it is 40% you always win 40% you always lose 20% is up to you. So yes players who can't play a lot will be stuck.

disregardable3/27/2015, 8:50:06 AM1 votes

You're better off just dodging until it demotes you to Bronze 5. A little time consuming if you're placed in gold, but I'd assume you'd be put in silver. And by the way, you clearly have not seen any bronze to challenger streams.

MalaceX3/29/2015, 7:47:08 AM1 votes

I don't believe this types of threads at all. This season's Bronze is A LOT different than last year's.

I would love to see one of these "Bronze is so easy" players carry a team of 2-3 feeders.