What do you do if you are being camped by a jungle Xin Xao?

GuileRaven·5/15/2015, 3:45:26 AM·2 votes·2,176 views

And against an Anivia?

Played my 6th placement match. Currently 3 wins and 3 losses now (one loss was because I d/ced. Also bot fed like crazy that match). This time I was AP Ezreal against Anivia. The match starts, I poke her repeatedly. I start zoning her out, and was getting ready to close in for the kill. I used my ward on the north side. Suddenly xin xao pops out of the south bushes and gap closes me. I arcane shift to my tower, but am too low to stay in lane.

I come back with an extra ward. Now I have both bushes warded. I start zoning her out again. He takes the long way around and avoids both bush wards, and again pounces on me. I get away, but have to recall.

I come back, she has the minions pushed more towards my side, I start farming under my tower and poking her. She manages to hit me with a stray stun, but I get away. We both have about the same amount of health so I stay and call my jungler. Xin Xao comes out from our jungle side, dives me. I kite him around and kill him, but his stupid red buff finishes me off.

The jungler tries to kill anivia but gets stunned and aniva leaves.

I come back to my lane, it's back in the center. Aniva comes back and immediately throws down her AOE ult and I lose half my health despite arcane shifting out of it right away. She forces it under tower (should have backed, but I didn't know her ult was toggle based with no cooldown), she manages to stun me and kill me with her aoe.

I come back to lane this time loaded up with wards. I ward the shit out of everything. I try to avoid her ult as best as I can. She shoots her stun at me, I dodge it but immediately get hit by a thresh hook. He managed to houdini his way past all my wards and I die.

I pretty much spent the rest of the match getting focused every team fight, I'd get assists but no kills. My team bitched about AP Ezreal being useless. Anivia went around stomping everyone; she never even hit egg form the entire match.

26 Comments

Sohleks5/15/2015, 8:36:08 AM3 votes

That is amazing detail OP. You have a good memory.

Given how it played out with all that explanation sounds like you were kind of screwed since your goal seemed to be to beat Anivia down in lane (a fair goal in low elo). But you got camped.

How well people handle ganks can vary a lot. There's how well you prepare (minion wave control, map awareness, warding, positioning) and how well you react (constant map awareness, reaction speed, split second decision making)

I play a strong AD mid too; Corki actually (he's got a slightly stronger laning phase and mid game, more aoe damage, burstier, but not as slippery or good late game as Ezreal...) anyways... my usual strategy to abuse weaker mid lanes early game is to slow push for exp and creep advantage and abuse my potential damage with free high dmg autos compared to ap mid laners. The way I play is abusive to enemy laners but exposes me to ganks. I practically challenge the enemy jungle to gank me when I have Corki's escape up (rarely should you use your escape unless to secure a kill or escape an emergency). Most gankers will have difficulty catching me when I've been pressuring the enemy mid life hard, however Xin Zhao is one of the stronger and cough braindead gank machines in the game.

Mid lane is a pretty different than side lanes for a few reasons. One, the distance between the towers is shorter than the curved side lanes. That means champions with mobility skills are a lot more safe playing up the lane than top/bot. This also means getting pressured and poked into tower is more of a problem compared to side lanes where if you're caught outside the enemies tower you have to trek a mile to escape. This is a big reason why tanky champs and duo lanes run the side lanes and assassins and mages go mid.

Anyways another thing that makes mid different is the increased number of potential gank paths... It's a nightmare right? Not really. Because once you start warding and positioning properly in lane I find that mid lane can actually be relatively safe compared to long isolated side lanes. You don't need to ward like crazy. When you ward a side of your lane you can lean your positioning on that side of the lane and when the enemy does happen to come from the unwarded side you can easily use the other side of the jungle as your retreat. You just need to make sure the enemy doesn't walk over your ward unnoticed and fk you :p

You also want to be constantly aware of what the enemy jungler is doing. Because even if you see the enemy jungler someplace else on the map you now know he's not where you are and this gives you more reign to play aggressively in lane for a bit. It also helps you predict where he may be coming from and heading.

So as a mid laner it's actually very important you ward not for your own safety but for others. Being in the center of the map you can catch a lot of enemy traffic. In high elo it can help your teammates in lane just because of the fact they saw the enemy jungle walk over one of your words, so they know they're safe for a bit even if they haven't warded.

The best place to ward is the ramp to the enemy red/razorbeaks. These are the camps that most often come before a mid lane gank. This spot also could allow an enemy jungler to sneak behind dragon/baron pit and backdoor your side lanes from the tribush. As a purple side top laner it really fk'ing sucks getting ganked from that direction.

What can also help is if you played jungle and learned their timings and jungle pathing. Be aware when their buffs spawn, and ward prior to their arrival.

Also understand the nuances of gap closing. Lets say an Xin Zhao flanked your rear as Ezreal. In this situation it's a mistake for Xin to blow his charge instead of walking up to you, because if he does you instant arcane shift. And if you arcane shift in his direction before he charges or walks up to you he can then use his charge after you flash possibly. What should probably happen is either you go in an entirely different direction which will probably be a journey through the jungle, or you run towards your tower and save arcane shift only until Xin starts hitting you.

um... later

ls2eFvBHYf5/15/2015, 4:09:34 AM3 votes

Just reading this, I really don't think you are at fault here. After you got ganked the SECOND time, your jungler should have been counterganking for you or setting more wards so that you could escape better. Honestly, its kind of retarded that he didn't. But as far as what you can do to avoid it, nothing much. The best advice I could give to you is just playing less aggressively until you hit your power spikes, I follow this same philosophy when I play my Irelia. I hope this helped and gl on the rift!

blacktornado215/15/2015, 2:12:16 PM2 votes

When I play mid, I don't usually ward the immediate river bushes. I think it's better to ward the outer bushes because if you have enough map awareness, you can tell if he's gonna come through the river bushes or the long way.

insaiyanbacca5/15/2015, 4:48:02 AM1 votes

you cry

BluePolarizer5/15/2015, 7:05:40 AM1 votes

Protip: if you see Xin approaching, do NOT blow your escape. Walk away. If you blow your escape you are very likely to just get bursted down by his gapcloser. Force him to blow his gapcloser then E away. This is why Xin falls off late game hard - even though his damage is still brutal, he can't keep engaging onto carries because they just disengage once and he is stuck in the middle of the enemy team.

Changsty5/15/2015, 2:04:57 PM1 votes

Not particularly relevant to this matchup, but sometimes it's more efficient to just drop one ward in the river bush and hug that side of the lane. It covers both gank routes and you only need one ward. The deeper ward gives you somewhat more time to react too

Drunk Rummate5/15/2015, 2:08:06 PM1 votes

when being camped by any jungler you generally just have to play safe and lose lane unless your jungler is counterganking

when being camped by xin zhao you generally have to play safe and lose lane, and if your jungler counterganks then you lose lane harder.

warpenguin5555/15/2015, 2:10:00 PM1 votes

nothing. you cry inside. and pray that your other lanes arent playing so bad they would be feeding Ao Shin, Omen, and Averdrian.

Xin is my jungle main, so ya. Once he figures out a week link he wont stop attacking it, unless hes forced too or hes bad

TMIT5/15/2015, 3:26:15 PM1 votes

I hate getting camped but usually you just wind up farming under/near turret (helps to have practice freezing lane there and timing your hits with turret since good opponents will not let you freeze just outside of turret in any lane). If you're at/near turret constantly with a champ like Ez it's almost impossible to gank you. Ward up to call MIA so you can either push and take turret if Anivia moves (wards let you know when they're coming back for you) or follow to counter-gank her roam.

aaronautumn5/15/2015, 3:56:22 AM1 votes

You could push and roam

Hasztalan25/16/2015, 10:51:09 AM1 votes

Just buy 2 wards and gg that's about it. Zhao has no movement abilities so he cant cross walls for suprise ganks.

Commit Sudoku5/15/2015, 4:26:32 AM1 votes

this is an oddly specific question you probably wont even run into that match up anytime soon

SavagePenetrator5/15/2015, 4:27:25 AM1 votes

stand behind half way before level 10, his early ganks are his strongest point, later in the game hes meh