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How to nuke your ELO/hidden rating/whatever MMR thing? (normal play)

Blackmoon9··1 votes·1,326 views

Hey all.

Finally made it through to 30 this year, after countless (literally, you cannot see how many you have played.) bot (mostly FWOTD) games (also with XP bonus occasionaly/when on sale.).

I thought the idea of getting to 30 quick would be interesting, as you would have all masteries unlocked as well as many if not most runes, and lots of heroes (as well as fairly good basic understanding of the game.) - and from there, pick up your game and play against real players.

Unfortunately, now that I HAVE reached 30, I find myself almost always paired against/with people who are probably at least one, if not two divisions above me, and it makes me feel pretty bad for my team -- esp. on ARAM where I bought like a dozen new champions just before stopping playing a few months ago. .....

On top of that, you have like 15 free to play characters right now. sigh (and no matter how many LCS games you watched this spring, you've only really got to learn/see in action about 15-20 or so chars, and the rest, a lot aren't seen in bot play or played by players in those game modes. ..)

Since there's no way to voluntarily, immediately "dunk" your MMR (or at least reach your appropriate level.) in normal play, (which would probably be quite easily abused to seriously beat up new players anyway. ..) I was wondering what would be the most efficient way to do it? Play actual ranked games until you get Bronze or something, perhaps? Play champs that you usually play and purposedly lose on them? More matches in less time with shorter-game-time modes, or the inverse?

Esp. with the featured game mode right now, I'd like getting into the action, since it's Summoner's Rift (which I never personally favored, as I personally prefer shorter, faster-paced games.) without necessarily getting into all of it (crazy negative K:D:A, full-power flamethrowers, etc...)

Either way, sucks that I'm probably gonna have to lose a few dozen games almost (if not.) on purpose just to get around my actual ranking, but, oh well. At least from there I won't feel like I'm being parachuted into a warzone, lol. ..

Thanks. .~....

;D. Kennen

(of course, another option would be to read through every champ's descriptions, builds, strengths and weaknesses and memorize it by heart like it was a science degree, but, I'd rather skip that option right now. xD.....)

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TheVishual1 votes

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Hey all.

Finally made it through to 30 this year, after countless (literally, you cannot see how many you have played.) bot (mostly FWOTD) games (also with XP bonus occasionaly/when on sale.).

I thought the idea of getting to 30 quick would be interesting, as you would have all masteries unlocked as well as many if not most runes, and lots of heroes (as well as fairly good basic understanding of the game.) - and from there, pick up your game and play against real players.

Unfortunately, now that I HAVE reached 30, I find myself almost always paired against/with people who are probably at least one, if not two divisions above me, and it makes me feel pretty bad for my team -- esp. on ARAM where I bought like a dozen new champions just before stopping playing a few months ago. .....

On top of that, you have like 15 free to play characters right now. sigh (and no matter how many LCS games you watched this spring, you've only really got to learn/see in action about 15-20 or so chars, and the rest, a lot aren't seen in bot play or played by players in those game modes. ..)

Since there's no way to voluntarily, immediately "dunk" your MMR (or at least reach your appropriate level.) in normal play, (which would probably be quite easily abused to seriously beat up new players anyway. ..) I was wondering what would be the most efficient way to do it? Play actual ranked games until you get Bronze or something, perhaps? Play champs that you usually play and purposedly lose on them? More matches in less time with shorter-game-time modes, or the inverse?

Esp. with the featured game mode right now, I'd like getting into the action, since it's Summoner's Rift (which I never personally favored, as I personally prefer shorter, faster-paced games.) without necessarily getting into all of it (crazy negative K:D:A, full-power flamethrowers, etc...)

Either way, sucks that I'm probably gonna have to lose a few dozen games almost (if not.) on purpose just to get around my actual ranking, but, oh well. At least from there I won't feel like I'm being parachuted into a warzone, lol. ..

Thanks. .~....

;D. Kennen

(of course, another option would be to read through every champ's descriptions, builds, strengths and weaknesses and memorize it by heart like it was a science degree, but, I'd rather skip that option right now. xD.....)

Once you get level 30 and play for awhile you'll notice you stop playing with new players and start playing with smurfs... Normal has its own ELO like ranked, you just have to play enough games.

ARAM has its own separate elo, Teambuilder has its own separate elo, and Dominion has its own separate ELO (I'm not sure about the new blackmarket brawler though)

TouchpadExpert1 votes

First off MMR is separate based on the game mode you play. ARAM has its own MMR that is separate than Normal Summoner's rift. I know this because I keep getting placed with Gold and Plat ranked players and I generally hold my own against them. Normals MMR tries to keep things even but if you're new to the game chances are you have a Bronze mindset and the game will have to sneak in some silvers and the rare gold players into your games. Not much to do except cross your fingers and hope they're on your side and they don't have connection issues. Ranked will keep things even closer. It's SUPPOSED to keep the matches close in division (If you're Bronze V it shouldn't throw in any Silver IV or higher players in your games) and it generally keeps things close in terms of who you fight against. I don't play ranked at all so I can't say much about it.

Now way back when I was in your shoes what I did was make a new account. I made the second account prior to reaching 30 with the first account. More first wins means more efficient IP farming which means access to new champs sooner. The down side is that not all of the champs are on one account so it can get annoying to have to log out to play a specific champ but hey, you probably wouldn't have had that champ this early if you only played one account. I've been playing for a little over 2 years. I don't really use the other account much and I can say I have played every single champion at least once. This is the route I took when playing the champs anyway.

You could also youtube search the champ in question. Montages are nice but generally they have advanced mechanics/understandings of the game and are hard to comprehend early in your LoL career. Typically find some non-pro player using the champ in a full game. Usually if its uploaded its a win, so you tend to learn successful strategies. And with them being non-pros you see some newbie mistakes you may come across in your own games and see how they exploit said mistakes.

Blackmoon91 votes

Yeah, that's pretty much what I ended up figuring out as a route to take. That way, sure, you don't get to play the 20 champions you love the most and you paid a lot for, (and prolly want to focus on.) neither do you benefit from the thousand games or so you had to play to earn your level 30's masteries and glyphs, but, at least you get pitted against people who are more likely to be around the same level of experience as you heh, and, since you're basically playing random all the time (chars anyway.), you get to learn a lot of different heroes. Which, unfortunately, while fun and a good thing basically, can also be quite challenging, since every one of them has dozens of particularities and different builds/routes. Hahah. :Q.... item 3751

DrCyanide1 votes

Fastest way is to just play the game. Mute everyone at the start of you're too worried about them flaming you.

It seems to me what got you into this mess is focusing on playing against Bots instead of diving into PVP sooner. Perhaps that's some advice you can pass on to your friends.

Blackmoon91 votes

Well, it's more of one of those "didn"t see it coming" things, haha. In most online games I play if not all, I'll "go for the top" ASAP, (not that I ever would reach it, but.) but this one I just stuck around quietly, heh.

I thought upon reaching lv30, if I hadn't played too many games until then, I'd probably start with people who also at that point don't really have many games played (or much of a "hidden rating". ..). (whether they are lv20, 25 or 30 heh, but apparently, this game considers a level difference a quite huge issue.)

However, I've basically being paired about people with a LOT more game experience most of the time lately, heheh. ;D.... (3-5x at least, considering you only really see 20 or 30 heroes in Bot play, excluding the ones played by players. .. and, usually pretty repetitive gameplay/not a lot of strategic value, esp. if you play TT/CS mostly like me, preferring shorter games.)

Mostly sucks not being able to play my usual (and favorite/best) champs most of the time, but it IS actually interesting using a new account to work your way around this while discover the joys of Random, in many ways. ....

Baunjo1 votes

wait did you seriously only play bot matches up to level 30?

Blackmoon91 votes

Nah, played about 1/10 matches against real players, more or less (like I said, can't see bot match statistics. ..) but at that point for me in LoL I preferred watching people play the game well over playing myself, being mostly focusing on just getting to 30 and lots of IP along the way using pretty much guaranteed FWOTD bot match win rates, lol. However longer it might take in the process. (obviously, would've been much shorter to play a bunch of real games every day, but I didn't want to spend 3+ hours a day on it, (or even just 1 or so, if you go for FWOTD and average at 50% win rate and only play Summoner's Rift) hehe.

Not like my intentions were to specifically only play bot matches all the way. (reminds me of the dude who leveled to 85 using only herbalism in WoW. rofl. ....)

I really like this game, but only started playing not so long ago, and was never really too serious about enjoying the competitive side of it for myself until recently, now that I have only free time basically. Haha. ;D.... which is pretty rare for me in gaming, since I'll usually dive into a game competitively as soon as it's possible.

However, it did make me able to enjoy hundreds of excellent VODs' and live games' worth of excitement in stead. (I can probably safely say I'm the only one I know who spent so much time watching the series earlier this year. not hockey, no, for once - but LCS! (both NA and Europe, and even a bit of Asia.) was really thrilled to see so much action, turnabouts and enthusiasm, from both the crowd AND the players, having been casually watching e-sports grow slowly since the days of StarCraft, CS and Quake 3.)

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Baunjo1 votes

The thing you have to understand is you will constantly be paired with players that are higher and lower division and skill level than you. Its really just how the game works. Also 1/10 of all your games being with real players is BAD. REALLY BAD. The thing about bots is that they do not punish you for mistakes, they cannot think for themselves.

For example, in a bot match, you can sit between two inhibitor towers within the enemy base and kill people while they come to lane. If the enemy team noticed this in a real match, there would be no good reason to all port back to base and kill the guy. theres 300+ gold for one guy and 4 players with assist gold that they get to bring back to lane.

Also, bots have the bare minimum mechanical ability. Because of that, there are many champions that are not even available to play against in a bot match, and even highly mechanical champions that are in there are played at the absolute bare minimum.

My advice to you would be, unless you are a video game prodigy, you have a very serious gap between you and a lot of the community. I'm sure plenty of people have played more bot matches than you have however. I would strongly recommend playing as many normal games ( Ideally draft pick ) as much as you possibly can and really really practice. Learn every single role, and try and have at least 5 champions you can play WELL, doesn't have to be perfect, in each role. That doesn't mean you cannot have a preferred role that you mainly play and buy champions for, but you will be much better off in the game if you do learn everything.

Also I say normals because you will become beyond frustrated with people in ranked. It is very competitive, even at bronze level, and people get very very pissed off. This in and of its self can make you never want to play the game again. And please, for the love of Jesus, don't do team builder. You will never EVER learn how to play the role you hate if you are not forced to play it. Then you play ranked, and you get last pick, and you are forced to play the role you hate and never learned to play. Trust me, all team builder has done is create a league of bratty kids who never learn to play the game well.

Anyway, good luck out there!

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