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Top Lane AD vs AP

Kaelnor··1 votes·1,762 views

Hey guys, I have been having trouble trying to figure this out for awhile now and need some insight. Now I know that there are plenty of champs that go top lane, and some are AD such as Fiora Darius Riven Renekton , and some are AP like Vladimir Rumble Mordekaiser Chogath . However I have to ask which actually has the most influence, their pros and cons, and for the reasons why. I don't mind running either, but I still have to figure out which is going to better for my game to build to.

Thanks.

11 Comments

redniwediS4 votes

Damage type really has nothing to do with it, which is good because you can fill in for whatever damage type your team is low on while still maintaining the same impact. Instead you want to look at the individual kits to figure out whether they are a duelist, a team fighter, a split pusher, or some combination of the three. If you group them that way I think you'll find your answer a whole lot easier.

Kaelnor1 votes

Nice thanks for letting me know. Makes it less confusing now.

Borkahn1 votes

Shen , learning him brings so much to your team. His tankiness late game is godlike. I've literally tanked both nexus turrets while barely losing any health while my team is killing them. He doesn't require a lot of farm. He can farm under turret. He has awesome ganks. In my opinion, this is the guy that really brings shit ton of stuff to the team.

Wolf Queen1 votes

he doesnt actually if you take a moment to think about it. Shen has nothing at all but his ult. He has no damage in which case there carries can safely ignore you and just kill actual damage threats. He tanks well but if you get people who realize his damage is garbage youll be ignored. Doesnt matter how tanky you are if you have no reason for there carries to focus you. Sure you have a taunt but id just go rammus for that. He at least does dmg to them by being attacked when he taunts and he also has a way to get to them to taunt them. Shen has no gap closer or speed up you basically either have to walk up to them and say hi and hope they dont notice you walking up or you have to flash and e them

Borkahn1 votes

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he doesnt actually if you take a moment to think about it. Shen has nothing at all but his ult. He has no damage in which case there carries can safely ignore you and just kill actual damage threats. He tanks well but if you get people who realize his damage is garbage youll be ignored. Doesnt matter how tanky you are if you have no reason for there carries to focus you. Sure you have a taunt but id just go rammus for that. He at least does dmg to them by being attacked when he taunts and he also has a way to get to them to taunt them. Shen has no gap closer or speed up you basically either have to walk up to them and say hi and hope they dont notice you walking up or you have to flash and e them

His Q grants some health regen, his taunt can lock down the carries which truly are the only thing that needs to be locked down, he can dive under turrets and take massive amounts of damage and laugh in their face, he has the ability to deal damage with a q ki combo, that combo can come up more with his w active, he is really an asset. He still does damage. I don't stick near an opposing shen for that reason. An opposing shen has the ability to kill a carry one v one easily with the exception maybe MAYBE being Vayne

Wolf Queen1 votes

Ive never been touched by shen on kalista :3 even if he hits a taunt on kalista which isnt likely to happen that often in my opinion unless she just stands there and doesnt kite. But even if you hit on her you cant burst so after that shed kite :D. May hit a Q on her after that but you shouldnt be able to touch her otherwise ^_^. Kalista is kinda op like that, counters most melees, not sure what riot was thinking when they made her

Borkahn1 votes

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Ive never been touched by shen on kalista :3 even if he hits a taunt on kalista which isnt likely to happen that often in my opinion unless she just stands there and doesnt kite. But even if you hit on her you cant burst so after that shed kite :D. May hit a Q on her after that but you shouldnt be able to touch her otherwise ^_^. Kalista is kinda op like that, counters most melees, not sure what riot was thinking when they made her

That is you specifically, but I've held down my own Kalistas before easily.

Elkington1 votes

Cho'gath is the safest pick out of the APs you listed, as well as all of them in general. He can farm against pretty much anyone, good sustain, and scales well into late game. Doesn't need to be fed to contribute. Tons of CC.

Out of the ADs I would say Renekton is the most consistent. However, if you're good at Riven she's a decent pick too. Darius and current Fiora are very hit-and-miss depending on the matchup and team compositions. In contrast, not too many champs can reliably shut down Renekton and Riven when played well.

TouchpadExpert1 votes

The difference between AP and AD falls partly on your preference but also on the needs of the team. Typically bot lane has the ADC who is AD and the support who can be AP, but their AP damage output is negligible. Mid lane, top and jungle typically have more variance in their damage output. Most of the time mid lane is AP and with an AP mid laner the jungler and top laner have more freedom to pick whoever they want. If the mid laner picks an AD champ this pretty much forces the top laner and the jungler to pick something AP related. There are very few AP junglers to pick from so usually its the top laner who goes AP if the mid lane is AD. This is when you want an AP top laner is when the team is lacking in AP damage output. Without a reliable AP damage outlet the enemy team can just stack armor and counter everyone on the team. You don't want this so you pick something to give your team more variance.

The differences between the two is that usually AP is more bursty and AD is more consistent. There are black sheep to this rule (Cassiopeia is consistent AP damage output, Zed is bursty AD damage output) but that's the general rule. AP is usually better poke and faster wave clear/pushing. AD is better at taking down structures and doesn't rely on mana for damage.

Wolf Queen1 votes

cough cough kennen cough

TouchpadExpert1 votes

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cough cough kennen cough

Kennen = Black sheep Sorry didn't take the time to name them all. Feel free to elaborate on my post if you want to name all the black sheep to my rule.

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