I can't jungle for my life

Light Goddess·6/12/2015, 12:05:00 AM·8 votes·5,717 views

Ok, so I'm not a bad player at all or anything, but I've been facing this problem for awhile. I can do any role, any lane, but I can't seem to jungle AT all. I've tried jungling, but I end up falling behind, not getting camps in time, and suck at ganking. My main problem is I fall below in levels EASILY. Also, I always seem to have to recall early... Over all, I suck at jungling, and always disappoint my team when I try.

As for routes, I have basically gotten a leash and do blue buff first, then move on to wolves, then the gromp buff, (Usually recalling in between wolves and gromp), then move on to red, then etc. I can never seem to level up enough and I'm not sure if I'm supposed to gank early for that, but whenever I try I always get wrecked...

Over all, I just need HUGE jungling tips, like if anyone could just PLEASE help me... any tips would be great, thank you.

20 Comments

Apocyliptic6/12/2015, 3:39:19 AM6 votes

Starting Out

Starting at your buffs is a thing from season 4. It just isn't as effective anymore because it puts your teammates behind and the gromp bonus is just too strong to pass up (and if you are playing something like sej, udyr, etc. then it will be one of your strongest buffs all game long). After you clear gromp you should place a ward at the entrance to your jungle. This will prevent some nasty lee sin or shaco from walking right up to you and getting an easy first blood. Get your blue then head over to the wolves and clear them.

Something important to remember is not to use any of your health pots if you plan to back after the wolves. I haven't played all the junglers (just started playing this game September) but as long as you don't stand still while you are clearing your buffs, you should be fine. However, if you plan to keep clearing, use them to your hearts content. As to when you should keep clearing or back, that's up to you. A general rule of thumb is to not back if you think someone will take your buff, and to instead catch them out at it and maybe kill them. However, from what I understand you aren't the best clearer, so you should almost always back after 450 gold and level 3 (that's what you will have after three camps).

As for starting on the red side, start with krugs, go to the chicken camp (something most people don't do, but trust me, it's a thousand times better), clear the little ones first (it'll save you a but load of damage) then go to red buff and smite it (why clearing chickens second is better). You can ward the bush leading to your red, or the one behind it depending on the person you are playing against. If it is someone with a gap closer, like lee or shaco, place it on the other side of the wall, then check the bush leading to it. Usually you don't have to back and probably shouldn't because red buff is a powerful ganking tool, especially this early.

Clearing scuttles is possible after this, and/or ganking. Really, only do scuttles if you have some form of cc or a lot of damage, because if you don't it could take too long to really be considered efficient. Good early scuttle takers can be xin, udyr, lee, etc.

Which buff you start on should depend on the game, as you should almost always be going BOT lane, not buff lane. This is because you get a stronger leash, thus taking less damage and getting a faster clear.

When you back get a item 3713 until you get better at clearing.

Invading

If you plan to invade, make sure you know which buff they are going. This means you will have to get balsy and ward their jungle, but if you don't want to do that just know they will almost always go bot lane. It's just standard.

You can invade with almost any champ, but certain champs shouldn't like amumu, or sej, while others like udyr or lee sin can pull it off incredibly easily. Pay attention to who the enemy jungler is as well. For example, if you are playing udyr and the enemy is eve or sej, just invade that bitch, get a free buff and first blood and walk away like a boss.

Pay attention to the laners, because in some cases they will come to kill you, which means if any enemy laner is missing DO NOT CHASE THEM. Go to their buff, take it if you think you can, then walk out. Doing that was a enough damage, the kill is just helping a bit, but it certianly isnt worth dying for.

Always know where the enemy jungler is. If he goes top lane, take his bottom jungle and/or buff. If he goes bot do this top or gank another lane, or countergank. If the jungler is top lane that is a prime time to take dragon as well, especially if the mid or bot laners are missing, and even if they aren't, you have smite advantage, which means it's YOUR dragon.

Ganking

If you have an ult reliant champ like Warwick or amumu, gank whenever it is up. Otherwise, ganking is probably a waste of time and gold, so don't do it. Junglers like Lee Sin, on the other hand, are gank reliant. You should not die as these junglers because it will set you behind, a lot. They are also champs that will snowball really hard early to mid game. So get a kill.

Pay attention to the map. As a jungler, and as a laner, your eyes should always be on the map unless they don't need to be. If you pay attention to the map, you will know when lanes are gankable or if they will be gankable in the next minute or so. If the enemy laner is pushing, thats a good time to gank, if he is low at turret, thats a good time.

Set up a jungling route. This is why you are falling behind, because you dont path right. If you get this right, you will have so much more cs and be at least a level ahead of your bot laner (should be a goal). What I mean by pathing is think what camps youll go to before ganking or invading. As a jungler, something comparative to 70cs at 10 minutes is 80cs at 20 minutes. To get this you need to have at least covered and pushed out a lane once. This goes back to map awareness. If you see one of your teammates backed, clear and push out their lane, if they enemy has backed and they want to back (are oom or low) then help them push to turret.

You do this right, you will have cs and outlevel almost everyone, depending on your elo. Farm=fed, dont let any of your laners tell you differently.

Tips?

Focus on a thing. What I mean is, invade, gank, or farm, or you will fall behind. If its a tryndamere jungle and you have udyr, invade; if you have ww, farm your ass off and have devourer by 8:30 at least, or get cinderhulk.

You should be objective based. If you pay attention, you can easily have a mid turret by at least 15 minutes if your good enough. By doing this you can also get the enemy jungler to reveal themselves if they want to cover lane, being extremely useful. You can see what buffs they have, and see where they go afterwards, setting up a possible invade.

If I think of anything else I'll try to edit the post. First time I've done it though, so I don't even know if that's allowed. We;ll see.

RndmInternetMan6/12/2015, 4:39:10 AM3 votes

A few tips:

  1. Looking at your match history, I'm noticing a few jungle Teemo games. If you're looking to learn how to jungle, don't do this. Teemo is very difficult to jungle with, which will just make your jungling experience frustrating.

  2. Your runes aren't well suited for jungling. Unfortunately, this is a problem that takes a lot of IP to solve. I'd recommend attack speed reds, armor yellows, and AD or AP quintessences. I use magic resist blues, but I feel like there could be other options there too. Getting the extra defenses and improved clear times helps a lot in the jungle.

  3. Your masteries are also not well suited for jungling. You're going to want Bladed Armor (second row, fourth column in defense) for sure. Look around at some guides for some help with the masteries. (Side tip: you're only using 26 mastery points in both of your mastery pages right now, so you have unused mastery points).

  4. Jungling is extremely complex, and that is true even more in Season 5 than it has been in previous seasons. Don't be discouraged by those first few jungle games you played that didn't go well; in every game you'll learn something new, and you'll improve over time. Just keep sticking with it! :D

Good luck!

lDontLiftIcarry6/12/2015, 5:52:45 AM2 votes

Jungling is all about being 90% or more accurate with skill cooldown usage. And 100% accurate with positioning when ganking.

its also about reading the map carefully to understand where to countergank.

Once you understand map flow and jungle paths you can read the mind of most other junglers and expect them places. Which turns into ganking them and getting free gold.

You'll get it, just play the game. You can't expect to just be good. Its the only role in the game where if you suck everyone has to watch you suck. If you're bad at any other role its only at the cost of some CS/lane control If you're bad at jungling then the other jungler just camps your lanes and wins the game really easily for them.

TouchpadExpert6/12/2015, 4:08:58 AM2 votes

Then don't wager your life if you have to wager something.

Blu3 Blood Blues6/12/2015, 1:28:59 AM1 votes

i can show you via stream how to jungle

Karn Bishop6/12/2015, 2:28:34 AM1 votes

Prediction and map awareness are super important, and most of all your job as jungler is objectives not kills or farm but simple objectives like dragon, and towers; most junglers i see who fail hard do so because they do not understand this very simple concept and instead assume jungle is top lane when in reality your the secondary support.

Secondary to that there are clear paths, for instance sometimes you go frog>blue>wolves and other times you might go Blue >wolves>red> gank of course this also depends on who your jungling as well since a vi or a cho have different clear speeds and take varying amounts of damage.

Others are saying its ok to be behind in level, and that is true for certain junglers but if your running vi, lee or other hyper clearers you should be equal to in level either the solo or duo lane adc, and if you do fall behind because you messed up your job is not to try to gank again it is to catch up in levels.

Noski76/12/2015, 2:44:11 AM1 votes

One thing that can help you out is atk speed in your red runes, helps most people with clearing the jungle.

also try to always start on the side of your bottom lane, they give a better leash (usually).

Also, build item 3713. This can make your life so much easier, and the smite is great for later in the game as you can instaclear waves, which will then create map pressure.

CubedJustice6/12/2015, 2:51:38 AM1 votes

See, the problem with clearing how you currently are is that you're going in an extremely inefficient and unhealthy clear pattern. If you start blue side, you'll want to hit the gromp first, smiting it immediately for the buff, then to blue, then onto red, smiting that too for the health, then depending on which jungler you're playing, hit scuttle then gank, or back there, and then gank. This route is more straightforward, and it maximizes the health you can save.

S2C2Xd9KOy6/12/2015, 3:07:25 AM1 votes

Gromp - Wolves - Red - Raptors (might have to back here, if you don't, do Krugs) then do Blue. Thats at least my favourite route. If your champion doesn't do AOE damage at camps like wolves, raptors and krugs kill the little ones first then the big ones. Just very simple advice, not even gonna talk about which smite/enchantment to take lol Im too tired. You can add me if u want more advice tho

SrirachaLimes6/12/2015, 4:24:27 AM1 votes

In addition to what others have posted below, it is highly suggested that you play champions with good sustain in the jungle so you can learn how to play jungle. For example, Warwick is an EXCELLENT choice for a person still learning jungle. You don't have to worry about dying to jungle camps. He is also very cheap (only 450), and his ult makes it easy to gank with. Here are a few short tips I have to help that really change the game for you:

It is (usually) best to start gromp by smiting and clearing it, going to blue, then to wolves. If you want, you can continue to raptors and try to do a full clear or you can just recall, get stalkers/rangers trailblazer, etc. Before starting gromp, make sure you utilize your ward. So many junglers don't do this (even though they buy the ward ... and never use it). All you have to do is ward the river entrance to see if others are coming to try and steal your camps. If you're really worried someone like a Shaco will swoop in and steal your buff, start blue buff first then do wolves/gromp.

On your first or second back, it's best to get a sweeping lens and some health pots. Worry about wards not on your first back but on your second or third one. This is just to make it easier for you.

Focus primarily on farming as Warwick in the very early game. Don't force ganks (in other words, if the lane is pushed, don't try to make a gank happen if you don't think anything will come of it). If the enemy is pretty close to your laner's tower or if they are a little bit past the middle, a gank can happen. Sit in the brush, ping the enemy champion SEVERAL TIMES so your laner is aware (sometimes laners just sit there as you gank ... or they engage to slowly and so the enemy gets away, making yourself feel inadequate when really they should've helped you earlier ), then go in for the kill. I've noticed that how your laner reacts can make or break the gank, so make sure they get involved!

Beyond that, make sure you get an early pink ward around your second to third back and place it at dragon or somewhere near it so you have vision of it. If you feel like you're wasting time by sitting in the brush and trying to force ganks, then immediately start farming back in the jungle. Don't waste any time, because you're missing out on gold and experience. If possible, it's best to gank every lane at least once, but since you're still learning, just try not to force the ganks.

That's the main advice I have to say about this. I didn't include counter jungling mainly because I wanted to cover the parts you seemed to be having trouble with. In case you didn't know, you can also press tab to see the times of dragon, baron, and the red/blue buff. This is so immensely useful. It helps you plan your jungle path and reduces the amount of time wasted. When in doubt, press tab.

ElJanitorFrank6/12/2015, 5:12:16 AM1 votes

I'd say all you need to do when you dive into it is this;

Get the right runes/masteries. Without these, you will be pretty much unable to clear the jungle.

Learn the routes. If you don't have a route, you won't even come close to living long enough to farm.

The other stuff can come from experience, I'd say those 2 things are just the most important bits you absolutely NEED in order to jungle.

Their Jungler6/12/2015, 6:23:01 AM1 votes

Play Sejuani because she gives freelo but also has good clear and amazing ganks. Her ult can win lost games. I know it's cheap and she gets banned a lot, but she should help you get the feel for the jungle.

FieryNox6/12/2015, 2:44:54 PM1 votes

I still like starting whatever buff is closest to bot lane, clearing wolves or wraiths, then blue and level 3 ganking top. It's safer because you don't have to worry about a level 2 buff bum rush, and I have no problems clearing this way and can gank sooner. Then I look for more ganks, clear a few camps and usually get gromp on my first trip back. The biggest thing about ganking is pathing. Try to go around ward spots, ward behind you to prevent countergank and make sure you ping, make sure your team is in position when you go in (but don't wait on ward if you have to gank thru a ward spot), and don't try to force a gank against a lane that is behind and will be scared and expect you to do all the work or be desperate and feed, especially if there is a chance of countergank. Try to get top or mid ahead early, then focus on bot as much as possible to get Dragon control and generally just be near Dragon. If your bot lane is bad or too behind, especially against a sustain lane like Sona or Raka focus on mid instead. Also ward for your lanes and buy pinks. As for clearing, what runes/masteries are you typically using and what champs?

Edit: After reading the comments MushroomMan64 had good advice as well. I don't recommend starting out with someone who is level 6 reliant for ganks like Warwick or anyone that is farming based as this won't help you improve. My best advice is look for ganks without forcing them and focus on controlling Dragon but being patient. Don't try to cheese with invades, afk-farming, early Dragons etc. Just don't pick someone who is super mechanics-dependent like Lee Sin. Someone like Elise I think scales well enough but has good ganks, counterganks, is versatile as she can initiate, disengage, peel or kill squishies, and has good sustain and Dragon control. She relies on having good positioning in teamfights and that's about it.

And AS quints are much much more efficient than AD quints. If you take 3 AD Quints and 9 AS Marks you'll have 15% AS and 6.8 AD. If you go 3 AS Quints and 9 AD Marks you'll have 14% AS and 8.5 AD. Huge difference. For Seals and Glyphs I prefer flat Armor and MR which help win trades and make initiating ganks safer for you and your laner and often negates countergank attempts by someone who thought they were going to be able to afk-farm jungle all day and aren't built properly (think lane bully but jungle bully), but some junglers are very CDR reliant which helps secure ganks and clear and still scales well as long as you itemize correctly.

kJs6/12/2015, 12:17:12 AM1 votes

You'd naturally fall behind in levels as the jungler. It's how it works especially when you fail a gank, wasting a bit of time. If your champion simply doesn't have the clear speed the opposing jungler has, you can build item 3713.

Drunk Rummate6/12/2015, 3:00:21 PM1 votes

Jungling isn't very mechanics driven, it's mostly game knowledge and positioning related, plus you have to watch the map a lot so you can make informed decisions. You just have to study it a bunch to find out what's optimal depending on the situation.

Breizhar6/12/2015, 12:35:11 AM1 votes

hey have you considered checking some guides on mobafire.com ? you'll find some good guide explaining the jungle items , the path, etc... also you may try to watch some streamer on twitch.com playing jungle. You have nightblue who gives a lots of explanation while jungling for example

MushroomMan646/12/2015, 12:37:03 AM1 votes

It depends on what jungler you are using. Some gank more than others (like Shaco; he ganks a lot). Remember to be patient with your ganks. If the gank does not seem possible, then don't try it. Wasting your time is much better than dying. Also, as a jungler you want to have really good map awareness. Know what is happening in what lanes and how fed each lane is, etc. Generally you want to help out lanes that are losing more than lanes that are winning.

TurquoiseYoshi6/12/2015, 12:50:14 AM1 votes

My route tends to be different from yours, and it lets me (on Amumu with basic jungle masteries) to clear the side. Basically, I get a leash for gromp (smiting it IMMEDIATELY), chug two health pots, get blue solo, and then do wolves (smiting if it's back up, which it should) before recalling. After that the other side is cleared in an alike way. As for ganking, just watch the mini map for opponents pushing really far forward in their lane, and your ally and you being at good health. What jungler/junglers do you use, if I may ask?