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Help a Bronzie Out

Azukus·7/16/2015, 1:56:35 AM·1 votes·1,160 views

So, out of all the questions a bronze player could ask, Im going to ask one that most Bronze players normally dont even think about asking.

How, exactly, does one maintain high cs after laning phase? Ill get a massive gold lead during the laning phase against my opponent and simply dominate. But, as soon as the roaming starts and mid game arrives, my cs falls off dramatically. Ill go from 115 cs at 12 minutes to 230 at 35 minutes. CSing isnt hard at all. I just cant seem to develop a habit of it after laning phase. Any tips for this?

I just had a Graves game where I carried my team in ranked. I took over as the shotcaller, went 10/0/6, kept everyone positive, etc. I was felt great about my cs at 10 minutes, then I looked at my cs 30-ish minutes into the game and was like... What. Luckily, I had a lot of kills. But, what if it was a game in which I could not get a kill or barely assists? My cs would fall off and I would be behind from it. Help me out?

15 Comments

JustCallMeSpud7/16/2015, 11:24:49 AM2 votes

CS falling off is a symptom of a greater problem, you don't know what to do mid/late game.

Are you standing around mid doing a stare off vs the other team but getting nowhere? Ping caution and gtfo, go get wraiths, or a side lane, or enemy jungle, anything. Quit hanging out mid, you're just screwing up your mid laner's cs. Get dragon? Great, now shove a lane.

Always always make money. Play a few games that way. Put a post it on your monitor if you have to remind yourself. Every second you're not actively taking an objective or immeditately prior, go farm something. Your goal for the next five games is to have top gold for the match. Not win, not kills, just top gold. I'm not saying ignore calls to group or ignore objectives. But the second it's unproductive waste, get out go farm. Snatch a wave mid, get wraiths, get the river crab, quick shove on side lane, golem, move move always farm.

Once you get in the habit, it's easy. Just remember...don't go live in another lane just to be there. Nothing happening means gtfo and let someone else farm it, go grab a different lane. Too many people at low elo go and just sit mid for 10 minutes then trash talk their midlaner who is now massively behind (due to their own team taking their farm) and weak.

Azukus7/16/2015, 10:07:14 PM2 votes

Thanks guys :) All of these are really good tips

Punkkee7/16/2015, 2:41:12 AM2 votes

If you're doing well in your laning phase, have good control on where the creep wave is, nice ward control, drag control, able to outtrade enemy, there really is no reason to end laning phase so try to make out the most out of it and dont take turrent. (off topic but seemed necessary to say) After laning phase, look at your team. If your top is hugging turrent and your mid is basically waiting for enemy turrent to fall, help take top! Afterward, bot will probably be pushed. Go farm that. If there really isnt anything to do, freeze the lane

hh the thinker7/16/2015, 2:19:19 AM1 votes

it really depends on games, and having 200 cs at 30 minutes is ok (even more so if you have 10/0/6). sometimes you will have to give up waves of cs if it's worth it, like if you can ace the other team and get a tower or two, or getting baron. cs is important, but it isn't everything.

also, getting a really good lead on cs early helps you snowball so you can get to the point you can kill everything and everyone. when you can kill everyone, you can take objectives much easier and things become much more free.

the best way to keep up in cs though if you really want to is to split push most of the game and farm jungle. this is mostly if you play something like tryn top, but you could try it if you go adc, just be careful of being caught out 1v5 or leaving your team alone to fight 4v5 while you farm.

Cruk7/16/2015, 2:48:19 AM1 votes

It really depends on what lane you play... if you play mid lane, you typically push as fast and as far as you can out mid lane when possible post laning phase. Ad's typically bounce the waves bot lane back and forth, they just push out, roam for turrets, then come back when the wave has pushed back to them. Top lane is slightly different, top lane you want to set up something called a "slow push" towards your turret. There is a method to doing this, and it involves creep wave management and a little bit of practice. Look up a guide to "slow pushing" you WANT the enemy creeps in the top lane to have a slightly bigger wave, so both you and the enemy top laner both lose cs equally, BUT the lane will slowly shove towards your turret when nobody is there, which stacks up enemy creeps, and also provides safer farming because its closer to you. Look up a guide. All these methods can work, and usually are how its played out in Solo Q, however if you have teammates rushing towards your lane for your farm, they can screw you over, csing is important, just make sure you always have more than your lane opponent, but also have map presence is important too. You need a healthy balance, and the balance needs to be better than you specific matchup opponent. Good luck.

CavemanSelfie7/16/2015, 8:51:47 AM1 votes

You just have to constantly remind yourself to farm. Think about how you can keep getting gold. By taking turrets, pushing out lanes, and other things. Is your jungler not farming his jungle? Farm it. What about the enemy jungle? Can you push bot lane and kill minions for gold? Push it. Just always think about gold and objectives and you'll be fine.

Mintymentos NA7/16/2015, 9:57:23 AM1 votes

most of the tips here are viable.

I like to have laning phase last as long as possible unless there is a reason to end it faster. Another thing you can do is freeze lanes that already have their tower down and just continue to free farm, push the lane when you're ready. see if you can grab some jungle camps, go top farm their. Steal resources if you have to. Invade their jungle early when you feel like they haven't warded it, and start stealing the enemy jungle camps. Luckily in bronze they don't ward much so you can upgrade your trinket at nine and start deep warding if the situation allows you to.

Upgrading that trinket at level 9 will allow you to ward more efficiently, help you maintain your gold instead of spending gold for the wards. If you're going against an eve or shaco make sure to buy pinks even if you're a carry. it will help you out tremendously, you even might want to get the vision trinket upgrade even in that scenario and just buy regular wards. buy 2 wards, 1 pink and the trinket upgrade. this will give you the vision you need to farm safely and make up the gold lost from the wards you bought normally.

EstebanElGuapo7/16/2015, 2:01:08 AM1 votes

im just silver and my cs is poor all around. but... one thing that bugs me is that people often forget to manage sidelane minion waves after laning phase and all tunnel on mid then u lose side towers to minions or split push. They need to be kept pushed to river or close to it. There are opportunities to do it. You can use those opportunities to go farm the side lane waves cause at bronze silver level often nobody else will.

FieryNox7/16/2015, 10:14:57 PM1 votes

This depends on what lane you are, but as an ADC you should push bot whenever possible unless A) you will die or farm so little before its no longer safe its not worth the trip or B) there is a critical objective such as Dragon or Tower, or a fight nearby where its always better to be safe incase they might need your help to secure a kill, zone, etc

LaowPing7/16/2015, 2:09:48 AM1 votes

Killing jungle creeps helps. Just make sure your jungler isn't nearby because he'll probably want them if so. CSing is more of a focusing during laning because that's when the game is slowest. After that, most of your gold will come from towers and champion kills.

Banana Nations7/16/2015, 2:18:36 AM1 votes

I would say that you just need to focus on not letting waves die to towers in side lanes and mid lane because often times when your entire team is losing cs post laning phase this is the major reason.