So I am in my promos and all I got to pick was jungle for 4 games straight we eventually won all four games but than I tried to expand beyond Sion n Nocturne Jungle. I realized I suck way harder than I imagined. But beggars can't be choosers I guess...
Never stop farming, I usually see a lot of jungler waiting in the bushes for 30secs+ waiting to gank. also don't use your abilities until you need to ( case Vi's Q shouldn't be used if your not sure that they have flash up or not) If you want to know if you're behind or not check mid lane, you should be around the same level as them ( you'll probably be slightly behind)
I am a nocturne main therefor i give you one internet cookie for playing him.
Anyways if you looking to pick up new junlgers start from what you already know.
Like noc, he is a DPS assassin ( or bruiser if you're behind ) so think people like rengar and xin zhao people who use autos as their man damage.
then just learn proper itemization and you have the base for learning a new jungler.
Hi! Happy to spectate one or two of your games and give some jungle pointers. I've done this for a few people during my stream so they have a video to watch with me commentating afterward. Shoot me a message in game and I'll be happy to watch and give some friendly advice!
Stream is here if you're curious: http://twitch.tv/gundaymonday
j4 jungle is really strong, try that out if you can. and with j4 if you can get yourself some early successful ganks your good
Now I'm not gold+, but I do have quite a bit of experience jungling, so you can take my comments with a grain of salt. Also I apologize for the text-wally format of this post ahead of time.
First I'm going to discuss Nocturne. In the right hands he can be very effective, but Nocturne has the problem of he's got really good ganks when his ultimate is up, but when it's down he's not very threatening. His only gap closer (beyond his ultimate) is his attack speed steroid, which is also very important for chasing and escaping at the same time. He has a spell shield and a tether that turns into a fear. All in all his kit isn't really all too strong compared to a lot of the other junglers, but if you like him, don't let me stop you from playing him. I'd frankly suggest trying out J4, Vi, Elise, they each boast solid damage paired with CC and some relative tankiness. If you're really into the assassin style junglers, try out Kha'zix, same style of clear with a slight touch of sustain from his spikes, massive assassination potential at all phases of the game, even if behind.
Now a little thing about the jungle itself, in this season it's extremely important to be clearing your jungle, if you don't clear camps efficiently you fall behind very easily. I started jungling before we had actual timers in the game, now with the timers if someone spots your buff clear, or steals it without your knowledge, it's super easy for them to continue to do so. So that being said it's also extremely important to be hitting your blue and red camps when or shortly after they're up. I had a game recently where I countered the enemy's jungle extremely hard, because he focused on ganking way more than clearing his own jungle so his buffs were up for minutes after they spawned. After the 10 minute mark he didn't have buffs for 20 minutes which is the best way to completely shut down a jungler, not to mention that every time I countered the buff I left with at least one or both of the other camps on that side plus the scuttle in the river. So if you see their jungler ganking bot lane, look to see if he has buffs. The first camp they cleared should spawn somewhere between 7:15 and 7:40 depending on their clear speed assuming of course that they started at a different camp such as Gromp or Krugs, which most junglers do. I often like to start bot lane regardless of what side as I play junglers that can make use of either Krug or Gromp buff. So don't do that with Fiddlesticks. Finally for specifically jungle camp related stuff, don't overvalue dragon. The first and final buffs are the ones that impact the game most, the third isn't bad, but 2 and 4 aren't as useful. It's easy to throw an advantage because you overfocused taking dragons when you could have been getting towers. The priority is still Base Turrets > Baron > turrets outside the base > Dragon > Kills. If you can get a turret, let dragon sit it'll be safer after you take the turret.
Finally counter warding. I like to try and get entrances warded up when possible, the scuttle crab is not only a free ward with a speed bump, but it's also worth something like 80 gold from a camp that doesn't fight back. Seeing where the jungler goes in the river prevents you from being counter jungled, creates the opportunity for you to counter jungle, Great safety from getting ganked, or your laners getting ganked. It's everyone's job to ward, even though most people don't for whatever reason, don't be one of those people. I got my mid laner a very early start to snowballing from a double kill that only happened from a successful gank, then a sudden roam into the river because we spotted the enemy jungler and picked him up as well. so the 75 gold for a stealth ward gave up something like 450 gold to my laner and myself, which translates to a 600% return on investment. It's worth passing up a long sword believe me. So overall control the river as best you can, the enemy jungler is going to be very wary of ganking through river if you jump in and kill him a couple times when he tries it.
You are behind no matter what. You should be between your midlaners and adc/supp. You get red and blue and gank. You do camps once you have 2 stacks of smite. Jungling by itself will put you behind. Ward the enemy junglers red and blue for counter jungling and counter ganks. Wait for your teammate to initiate before you gank. Smiting enemy wolves gives good vision. Etc
thanks for the tips guys..really appreciate it....
junglers get about as much gold and experience for farming as a support gets for sitting around in lane doing nothing.
"just farming" is no longer an option. you have to make something happen, and consistently, or you're going to fall behind and be completely unable to carry the game. i recommend chain ganking midlane. going bot will get you killed under many circumstances.
when you get kills, stick around with your laner to shove their wave into the turret. the experience is very important. the gold less so, let them last him most of them.
I am trying to learn Lee Sin jungle but I dont get as much success as a Nocturne or even as a Sion jungle. I guess utility type jungle is not my style I am saving up for J4 who suits me better since I cant smash my face on keyboard with Lee and magically become pro..
