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What does it take for a jungler to gank

Ezcru·3/9/2015, 2:54:49 AM·1 votes·538 views

I was playing Ryze against Lux top lane. Juked all her crap, she just ends up pushing lane 24/7 and I don't miss a single cs nor take any damage.

She doesn't even place wards. I calmly asks for a gank once every 5 mins or so. Came once, lux blew flash. If that's not a sign of "come back for more" I'm not sure what is. Isn't that jungler 101??? Especially in top lane, you cannot live without flash in a gank = no cs and no exp due to freeze lane. I thought everybody knew about this...

Next thing you know Lux comes back to lane and just throws stuff at me non stop, even ulting me as soon as its up. I can't engage on her due to her snare and my low range. A gank would easily remedy that.

Is it that low elo jungle thinks if you're being pushed in = you're weak and not worthy of a gank?

Its funny because whenever I play and push lane, enemy jungler comes instantly. If they don't, we win by a landslide in our lane because we have a massive amount of minions due to pushing lane non stop. Its almost as if pushing lane wins, unless the jungler is actually "jungling".

8 Comments

Ouroborous HD3/9/2015, 3:28:53 AM1 votes

if we are talking about a jungler who both knows how to jungle and one who actually uses their brain, then all you need for a successful gank is to let the enemy push and then when you see your jungler incoming you engage. Plz note that it is not the junglers job to set up the gank it is just their job to help with it. Whether the gank is successful mostly depends on the person laning to set it up right. in your case your jungler just doesn't use their brain.

AwesomeChad3/9/2015, 4:13:38 PM1 votes

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I was playing Ryze against Lux top lane. Juked all her crap, she just ends up pushing lane 24/7 and I don't miss a single cs nor take any damage.

She doesn't even place wards. I calmly asks for a gank once every 5 mins or so. Came once, lux blew flash. If that's not a sign of "come back for more" I'm not sure what is. Isn't that jungler 101??? Especially in top lane, you cannot live without flash in a gank = no cs and no exp due to freeze lane. I thought everybody knew about this...

Next thing you know Lux comes back to lane and just throws stuff at me non stop, even ulting me as soon as its up. I can't engage on her due to her snare and my low range. A gank would easily remedy that.

Is it that low elo jungle thinks if you're being pushed in = you're weak and not worthy of a gank?

Its funny because whenever I play and push lane, enemy jungler comes instantly. If they don't, we win by a landslide in our lane because we have a massive amount of minions due to pushing lane non stop. Its almost as if pushing lane wins, unless the jungler is actually "jungling".

First off, you're not entitled to getting your lane ganked by the jungler. Its a team game however the jungler is another person that makes their own decisions, regardless of whether they're good or bad. If your jungler does not gank your lane even though you think you need it, accept and adapt to that fact. You're playing Ryze, a champion that will outscale lux in late game and you need to realize the importance of having boots to allow you to keep up with the enemy's movement speed or give yourself an edge in mobility if they don't have any (your ult also gives you bonus movement speed when you use it). You also have 3 bushes to camp in just so you can get better positioning to engage on lux.

FarRockBF3/9/2015, 4:20:37 PM1 votes

Looked you up. No Ryze matches. So were you smurfing? If so what do you expect...

FHMarshy3/9/2015, 5:47:50 PM1 votes

So you are saying, that you juked every thing Lux threw at you early level, you didn't miss any CS nor taken any damage...before she went back, but when she came back to lane, you were getting hit, harrassed, snared, and even ulted?

I mean, did she become insanely accurate with her skill shot after she backed?

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=ezcru

Check the wards put, you have exactly the same amount of wards put as she did.

And again, looking at the match history, your bot lane was losing. If I were a jungler, one lane had a Ryze who scales really hard and was holding his ground against his opponent while the bot lane was losing. Who would YOU gank?

Beside, are you really crying about your jungler not spoon feeding you to carry?

Killstrado3/9/2015, 6:20:07 PM1 votes

Let me list some reasons I don't get to gank as often as some need; I don't have enough health and or mana, I'm in the middle of clearing a camp, ganking another lane, getting behind due to counter jungling/ganks, improper ward coverage, contesting drag/baron, babysitting someone else lane, or the lane isn't pushed.

Junglers have a lot on their plate, granted not all of these reasons will happen at the same time but the thought of each is present at all times and depending on what champ is being played some become huge problems where some almost diminish completely. Proper prioritization is key from a jungler, but patients, understanding, and communication from the rest of the team is how to get your lane ganked.

Politeness helps too :) I mean who isn't more likely to help a teammate who is nice and cooperative versus a toxic asshole who won't take blame for themselves and drags the team down with toxicity

mvargus3/9/2015, 7:19:14 PM1 votes

Well, as someone who ends up jungling quite often there are a number of reasons I can see.

the lane isn't pushed. - You say that Lux was getting all her CS, but you never mention where the minions were gathering. If she froze the lane near her own turret and was just last hitting any gank on my part means I have to come in from the front and effectively dive her turret. I'm not doing that unless she's almost dead because if I fail to get a very quick kill the turret will kill me.
Other lanes have better opportunities. - Basically the same as 1. If the ADC/Support of the opponents bot lane are pushing hard I might see that as a much better opportunity to get a gank, especially if the ADC is a late game hypercarry. Lux doesn't scale as well as many other champions and I want to make the ganks count as they take away from my farming time.
I need to farm my jungle. - Junglers are almost always behind in levels and gold until about level 10 when they can finally clear camps quickly and the laning phase is about over so the laners don't get too upset if you stop and bash on a few minions for the gold. Any time I spend waiting in a bush for the moment to come gank is time I'm falling more and more behind. When I come to gank you need to be ready and the opportunity has to come quickly.
There is a ward there and the champ I came to gank moved back. - If the champ had put down a ward, or their jungler did then I can't surprise the champion which means that my gank will fail, and I've wasted time.
The champion appeared to sense that I was coming - I've seen this more with my own play in bot lane as support or ADC. You'll be pushing aggressively and suddenly notice something very subtle change about the play of the enemy champs. I use teamspeak and I can't count the number of times we're pushing and I start calling out "back, back. Stop pushing." We might not even have a ward out, but many times we back off and see the enemy jungler emerge from the river. A good player starts to have a feel for the timing of jungler ganks. If the Lux was as good as you hint in your post, she might have been moving back when I came near and I decided to look for an easier target.
Busy with dragon - Dragons are a bit more important than ganks. And some aggressive junglers will start contesting for dragon at level 3. I might have been very busy trying to ensure that we didn't lose a dragon to the other jungler. (Shaco is notorious for getting a dragon at level 2 or 3. Many other junglers can do it as well if they take potions.)
I have to back for health/mana - The jungle is a cruel place to many champions. Only a few champs never have to return to base to heal and many have to after no more than 4 camps until they are level 6 or so. Depending on when you call I might be backing and when I return to the jungle your lane isn't in the right position to justify a visit.

Most junglers understand that they are taking on a responsibility to help as often as possible, but there are a number of things that need occur before a jungler can just show up. I've had times I head to a lane to gank only to run into the enemy jungler and instantly find myself in a duel to the death. Other times I start to help only to see that the other jungler has already arrived and you are retreating. I've had the call occur when I was across the map. Getting a call to "gank top" when I'm at one of the camps near bot lane usually gets a call back of "let me finish this camp", but by the time I am passing Baron Nashor's pit I see that there is no opportunity to make a gank work. [I play on teamspeak with friends and calls like that are usually voice rather than ping.]

I'm sorry you had a game where the help from your jungler wasn't enough. Sadly it happens. I've had games where I'm getting dumpstered top lane, but haven't given up a kill and I can't get a gank because the jungler is tied up in bot lane. All I can do is play my best and delay as much as I can until things free up.

IcyPepper3/9/2015, 7:27:42 PM1 votes

You could have roamed with such a stalemate, tbh.

Like, you might have lost your tower, but if you achieved something while roaming... say killing the enemy midlaner and taking their tower, then it might have been worth it.