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Pengod··2 votes·2,144 views

So I really need to narrow down my champion pool. I'm way too jumpy with who I play, constantly going back and forth between champs, I'm just not really that solid w/ many of them. So for starting a champ pool, how many champs should I look to have for each lane? I thought about doing no less than 3 and no more than 5. Also, I really want other people's opinions. Is it better to have meta picks, or picks you enjoy? Or a mix of both? Also, for each lane should I look for more diversity through who I pick, or keep them similar in their kits/roles/strengths and weaknesses as to learn better? Below I'll put some champs I've chosen for each role. Answers to any questions or just any feedback in general would be appreciated!

Top: Irelia, Renekton, Lissandra, Nidalee and Poppy Jung: Evelynn, Kha'Zix, Skarner,and Amumu (want to try Nid jung) Mid: Anivia, Yasuo, Nidalee, Cassiopeia, and Azir ADC: Ashe, Kalista, and Vayne Sup: Leona, Nami, and Sona

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MrBuffington2 votes

So for starting a champ pool, how many champs should I look to have for each lane?

I'd say look to have 2-3 champions per role for 2-3 roles, maybe have 1-2 champions you can use to fill in the other roles. I have a similar problem where I'm constantly trying to trim down my champion pool in order to actually be able to play them well. I'd also recommend playing simpler champions; this way you can focus on your fundamentals instead of just wrestling trying to learn a champion that is way beyond your control.

Is it better to have meta picks, or picks you enjoy?

Picks you enjoy, definitely. Having the meta picks are nice, but the meta constantly shifts; if you pick a handful of champions that you master, you can play them in any meta and play them better than other players who are just picking up meta champions for the first time. Plus if you play champions you enjoy, instead of what's "OP" at the time, you'll stick with them longer even if they get nerfed. You definitely want to be aware of the meta, and sometimes a few of your picks might fall so far out of the meta that it becomes more effort than it's worth to play them, but that's why you have a few champions per role instead of just being a one-trick-pony. It's solo-q, everything is viable if you know how, and consistency pays off more than just riding some FOTM pick until they get nerfed.

Looking at your picks, you're playing some of the most complex champions in the game, so I'm not surprised when you say you're struggling with them. If you want to pick 1 or 2 of them and really master them, that's fine, but if you're looking to spread yourself out a bit more, here is my opinion:

Top: Irelia and Renekton are alright imo, just make sure you know how to play them in lane, when to pick them, etc (Renekton is more aggresive early). Lissandra is also very powerful, but playing mages top lane is very nuanced imo; again make sure you know how to play her. Jungle: I've seen people have success on Skarner; Amumu I think has some sustain problems early, but aside from that he's good. I hear Evelynn has a lot of problems right now, she's sort of one of those examples of champions too far out of the meta, but if she gets buffed she'd be good still I think. Mid: ....I'd say avoid all of these. Again, unless you really dedicate yourself to one or two of these picks, play someone a bit less complicated. ADC: Ashe is okay, she suffers a bit in the damage department compared to a lot of ADCs but she is still underrated imo Supp: Leona and Sona are good

Here's my pool in case you're interested; I'm focusing on mid, ADC, and Support. Top: Malphite, Wukong (situational) Jungle: Wukong, Vi, (will perhaps pick up Warwick after his rework) Mid: Orianna, Annie, Kayle (still practicing, situational pick), Nidalee (situational) (will perhaps pick up Ryze after his rework) ADC: Jinx, Caitlyn, Tristana (waiting till things pan out a bit more because she was just reworked) Support: Janna, Braum, Sona (situational), (will perhaps pick up Taric after his rework)

Regarding Nidalee: You might be wondering why I'm recommending against you picking Nidalee (unless you want to dedicate a lot of time to solely playing her) when I have her in my champion pool. Basically, I'm a Nidalee main; I've probably played more games on Nidalee than any other champion, and I understand her just as well if not better than I understand any other champion (including the "simpler" ones) in the game, which is why I'm comfortable including her in my champion pool. That being said, she's still a situational pick, so I still seldom pick her for the mid lane; I wouldn't recommend picking her up unless you already have a good footing on her; better to pick a champion that you can play more often.

Even then, I'm not bringing her into the top lane, because I don't understand how she interacts in the top lane, and I personally don't think AP Nidalee, at least, has a place in the top lane (AD Nidalee is completely different, though I also think she's situational at best and awkward, but I don't play AD Nidalee so that opinion probably isn't worth a lot). Jungle Nidalee, imo, is a similar story; you see her snowball a lot in the early game, but even with that she tends to falls off later in the game because there's isn't much she can really contribute; Nidalee is a champion with no CC, AP Nidalee is super squishy, and in the jungle, she's under-fed until super late game where she can catch up in items. Nidalee is a champion that provides a bit of utility with the vision her traps provide and her heal/AS buff, but aside from that she only contributes damage, and, when behind (where she naturally is in jungle, compared to solo lanes), she doesn't really have the impact that a solo lane Nidalee would. AP Nidalee in mid lane is already very situational (no CC, high single target damage that's easy to dodge/miss, a bit of AoE burst if she has an opening to get into melee range), jungle is more-so because you're taking away a fighter/bruiser/tank type champion in your team composition in favor of a completely damage focused champion (this is why I think playing mages top lane is very nuanced; a couple such as Ryze or Swain can get away with it since they get pretty tanky, even Lulu because she has increased survivability with her shield and ult). Unless you have a team comp that's build around her, I really don't see her working out too often.

On top of this, I think Jungle Nidalee is one small nerf away from never being played again, assuming she doesn't just fall out of favor on her own. Kind of like how jungle Twisted Fate was super FOTM for a while, then devourer got nerfed and jungle was changed to prevent you from save-stating soft-leashing* too much and you never see TF jungle anymore; Twisted Fate didn't even get a direct nerf.

Overall the idea in picking champions is to pick a champion/practice a champion to the point where you don't have to think about what you're doing, all their mechanics become completely natural to you and you can focus your attention to how you're actually playing the game as a whole, instead of wrestling with a champion that's too complicated for you. Again, if you really want to dedicate yourself to a particular champion or two, go for it, and if you just want to practice mechanics or something on a very complex champion in custom/bot games or something, go for it, but I'd say stick to simple champions and get your fundamentals down first and foremost. Feel free to discuss with me if you disagree with something I said, I love talking about this stuff, lol

Pengod1 votes

Well to start, this is the #1 best explanation/post I have received out of the 2 sites I posted on, thank you so much! :)

I really agree with the meta vs personal likes. Agreed with the effort vs worth.

So I'm not particularly struggling with playing the champs at all. I actually do pretty well with some of them like Anivia or Irelia. My problem isn't the champions, it's the number of champions haha. Top: Yeah, I've worked on both for laning phase. I've beaten most matchups with Irelia from Nasus to Lissandra. So who would you suggest for me to pick in the top? Jungle: Amumu I'm actually not sure about using, I think I'm just going to drop him. Evelynn I'm definitely going to keep. I really enjoy using her and I have some great success using her. Mid: I really have fun with Anivia. Everyone else I'm still learning and constantly rotating. Again, suggestions? ADC: Ashe has been my fav ADC ever since I first played her. Supp: ok :)

So for Nidalee here's my thing. I've played her a lot in the top lane ever since the rework. I play her as AD and I'm more-so just branching out with her to try other things out. I have a lot of fun playing her and I still have things to learn for sure, but I learn more and more everytime :).

The last part of your post is amazing. Very well put :). My main problem with mechanics is my ADC mechanics like orb walking or attack move. I really have to work on being better at that. Any tips on that? I too love to talk about this stuff as I feel I can talk about the game better than I play it haha.

MrBuffington1 votes

Wall of text inc. :P

No problem; again bear in mind that this is all just my opinion, like you I feel like I'm much better at talking about the game than actually playing it :P. A lot of these opinions though are formed based on stuff I learned watching lastshadow9 (you can find him on youtube, twitch, facebook, etc. he also sometimes goes by the username imls, I'll link you some stuff at the bottom) stream/play/coach, he's a coach for many professional teams over the years and is high ranked in Korea solo q. Here are some of his recommendations for champions; again, not champions you have to or should play, but just to give you an idea of some of the simpler champions he recommends (the list changes a lot, but just some examples): Top: Maokai, Lulu Jungle: Vi, Master Yi Mid: Orianna, Lulu ADC: Graves, Caitlyn Support: Leona, Morgana Again, not champions you have to be playing (I only have three of them in my pool, and I kind of disagree with the Maokai/Lulu pick, but of course he knows more about the game than I do, lol), but just to give you a sense of some other champs you might want to look into, etc.

So I'm not particularly struggling with playing the champs at all. I actually do pretty well with some of them like Anivia or Irelia. My problem isn't the champions, it's the number of champions haha.

Yea, so my opinion still is if you want to stick to a small number and really start to master their mechanics, sure; be wary it might actually limit you in a sense (I played AP Midalee since I was very low level even, she's the champion that I learned how to hit skillshots with, but I've had to go back and relearn how to play mid lane because I fell into some bad habits only playing Nidalee, and honestly can't really hit other champion's skillshots as reliably since Nidalee's spear has a pretty unique speed, width, range, etc. lol), but this is why you pick a few champions per role instead of just one. Again, if you feel like you have a grasp over certain champions, ignore what I'm saying and go practice, lol, but the goal (imo) is to be so comfortable mechanically on a champion that you don't even have to think about what you're doing with controls, you're thinking about what you want or need to do in a game and doing it just instinctively almost.

Also general advice is to pick which roles you want to focus on and then start to branch out; I was largely a support main for a long time, but had an okay understanding of mid lane from playing Nidalee/Gragas when he was strong, plus was decent mechanically on mages from playing support mages, so I added mid lane to my roles. I played a ton of Jinx when she came out, Tristana was my first main champion way back when I first started the game, and I mained ADC for a lot of S4, so that's also in my roles. I suck at top lane which is why I'm going with the Bronzodia Malphite (I also play Mundo but he just gets destroyed by Morellonomicon right now), and also Wukong (he's fairly simple, but most importantly he's a comfort pick for me. Still probably going to play more Malphite over Wukong in case I have to fill). Wukong jungle is a similar story; just a comfort pick; I'm still learning Vi.

Top: Yeah, I've worked on both for laning phase. I've beaten most matchups with Irelia from Nasus to Lissandra. So who would you suggest for me to pick in the top?

Again, Irelia/Renekton are great (I would actually track down Sir ArmaMalum on Boards and ask him about Renekton; he's a Renekton main, he knows much more about the champion than I do), Lissandra is also really powerful, but I suck with mages in top lane so I can't give you many pointers there. If you really like AD Nidalee top (like, actually enjoy playing her and not just jumping on the bandwagon like I've seen a lot of players do), go for it. Poppy I know nothing about, but I'm pretty sure she's pretty nuanced and not really a champion you randomly want to pick up unless you plan on investing a lot of time figuring out her nuances (plus she's getting reworked in the near future). You can also play Pantheon; he also is pretty good in jungle and can be played mid.

Jungle: Amumu I'm actually not sure about using, I think I'm just going to drop him. Evelynn I'm definitely going to keep. I really enjoy using her and I have some great success using her.

I had success with Amumu last season but generally have dropped him this season; I'm just not too confident with his sustain issues, etc. Again, if you want to stick with Evelynn, go right ahead, I've just heard she has a lot of issues right now. I haven't seen a Kha'Zix jungle really succeed at my elo (~Silver), and I don't play him so I can't say too much about that. I've seen some good Skarners, though. I personally think jungle Nidalee is a passing fad, but I might be wrong (lastshadow also thinks she's an unstable pick). I would especially recommend easier champions for jungle since there's just so much you have to do; it's the hardest role in the game imo. Vi and J4 are always good (I like Vi more personally; J4 can be fun too, and double as a top laner); Xin Zhao, Warwick (he's getting a rework in the near future), Master Yi, and Udyr (can be a little tough, but he's the champion I first learned to jungle with) are easier junglers to pick up imo; Wukong has some early sustain issues, but he's a champion I enjoy playing and am comfortable on. Honestly if you're looking to learn how to jungle, I highly recommend watching Nightblue3's stream and watching his guides on youtube, very informative if you're looking to pick up jungle, offers good general advice that applies to every champion (so it'll still apply for you even if he thinks Evelynn is really weak right now)

Mid: I really have fun with Anivia. Everyone else I'm still learning and constantly rotating. Again, suggestions?

I'll be honest, I really have no idea about Anivia; I've played her a few times and she doesn't seem that complicated, but you also want to consider your ability to perform on these champions when under pressure (for example, I don't think Twisted Fate is too difficult a champion to play mechanically, but I asked lastshadow about this on stream one time and he laughed at me, lol; his pick-a-card under pressure while having medium-higher ping is a nightmare to use, just as one example. Similarly, hitting Anivia's stun and wall seems like something that's really easy to mess up under pressure). Again, a lot of this comes down to comfort and playtime on a champion; I hit a lot of Nidalee spears that I know if I were playing any other champion, I would have missed that skillshot by a mile. Yasuo, Cassiopeia, Azir are three of the most complex champions in the game imo, I would stay away from them, unless, again, you really want to put tons and tons of hours into learning them. AD Nidalee and AP Nidalee are basically completely different champions imo, I would be wary of that if you decide to stick with her.

For suggestions to try out: Orianna is a champion I really enjoy playing, she can be a bit tricky mechanically at first, but she has a lot of strategic depth that I really enjoy. Annie is good, she struggles against some long range champions though (note: learning how to micromanage Tibbers in a fight really helped me learn how to split my attention to control Orianna and the Ball, which also applies to Azir. Again, not that I recommend playing Azir, but an example of how mastering easier champions can help you learn more difficult champions). Kayle's a bit of an unconventional pick, but I'm learning her in order to deal with melee assassins. Ryze and Veigar (and Mordekaiser) are getting reworks in the near future, so I'm keeping an eye on them. Talon is great if you want an assassin. You can also play Lissandra. Also maybe look into the lesser picked champions, like Malzahar; I've heard he can be really strong. Morgana mid is also being picked in Korea; I don't think she's great at finishing off kills but her ratios are pretty high and her waveclear with W maxed is insane.

ADC: Ashe has been my fav ADC ever since I first played her.

I think Ashe is very underrated as a champion; she could use some buffs but at low elo everything is viable if you know how. I also think she's really fun. Vayne and Kalista are two of the most complicated ADCs in the game imo (up there with Ezreal, Corki, Draven, etc); if you're struggling with orb-walking especially don't play these champs, lol. Other champions to look into: Graves, Caitlyn, maybe Sivir (she's pretty unique as an ADC), Jinx. Tristana is still being tested after her rework, so I'm unsure about her. Varus is also somewhat similar to Ashe in that he has a CC ultimate; he's also a non-meta pick, but again, everything is viable in solo q if you know how lol.

Supp: ok :)

Yea, Nami is super complicated, lol. Taric is also getting reworked in the near future, I'm looking forward to that. Karma, Morg, Annie, Soraka are also good.

OVERALL I still recommend picking up roles and champions slowly; don't try to learn all of this overnight. Most of the champions in my current pool are champions that I have a lot of experience on in the past and just happen to also be pretty simple; really the only champions I've had to learn somewhat recently are Orianna, Kayle, Caitlyn, Vi, and I had to relearn Annie.

Lastshadow's Twitch stream: http://www.twitch.tv/imls

He has links to everything else on his twitch stream if you scroll down; and his ask.fm page; he answers a lot of general questions on here, I would pay more attention to his youtube coaching videos since he talks more about the game on those, where his stream is mostly to watch him play: http://ask.fm/lsxyz

Nightblue3's Twitch stream; he also has links to everything if you scroll down: http://www.twitch.tv/nightblue3

While on Twitch you can also search Scarra or Bjergsen for mid lane, Annie Bot if you want to learn Annie, Geronimo or imaqtpie (he's going to start doing instructional videos on youtube now too) for ADC, and Krepo for support; just some of the streamers I've found helpful, though you can certainly go look for others, professional players you respect or like to watch, etc.

MrBuffington1 votes

pt 2: tips on attack move/orbwalking:

Really it just comes down to practice; here's a useful drill just for learning how to CS and attack-move: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/204xyb/learn_to_cs_like_a_challenger_with_elyndar_a/

I use A-clicking (default controls: hit A and left click on target to attack, right click to reposition, repeat) for attack move on ADCs when I'm at lower-mid attack speed, since I find it helps reinforce your AA range/the zone or space you should try to keep between you and enemies (I usually just right click when I'm on other ranged characters, sometimes A-click if I'm unsure). At crazy high attack speeds (like, Tristana with Q and AS items, Jinx with minigun and AS items, Kayle with nashor's + runaan's, etc.), I have Shift + MB1 bound to attack move and Shift + MB2 bound to regular move (so MB2 and Shift + MB2 do the exact same thing), so I can just hold shift and spam back and forth to attack move and move. Some players figured out a way to bind attack move to just MB1, but you lose MB1 functionality in other respects and you have to mess with your game files, so I personally don't recommend this. You can also just use default Shift + MB2 to attack move; I also have friends that have attack move bound to extra mouse buttons, really it's just whatever you feel most comfortable using.

EDIT: one more thing; I mentioned it before but again, feel free to keep playing complicated champions just to practice mechanics; I still play champs like Lee Sin and Thresh for fun vs bots or in customs even though I probably won't ever pick them in ranked. For ranked though, I think it's best to have like 2-3, maybe more, maybe less, champions per role (focus less on roles you won't play too often; I think a modified team builder is coming to ranked at some point in the future) that you know you can play really well and don't have to think about what you're doing on a mechanical level so you can focus on what you're doing at a strategic level. There are a few exceptions, but I'd say if you really feel confident in being able to do this on any particular champion, they're fair game for ranked.

Pengod1 votes

I set my hotkeys so I just hit A to attack move. Saves me the extra split sec to follow with left click. I can just alternate A and right click

MrBuffington1 votes

Fair enough, whatever you're comfortable with, just practice to get better

TheKingDodo1 votes

fiddle jung, basically amumu except if you get stunned while focused, you'd be screwed. also sivir adc

fdissht1 votes

Top:Irelia/Renek Jung:Amumu (Kha after you get better) Mid: Azir/Lissandra (after playing liss you can play her top and mid) Adc:Ashe, Vayne (after you get better with vayne got kalista) Sup:Leona (Nami if you're comfortable with more champs)

-If you don't want to learn lots of champions, learn champions that can play in multiple roles, like lissandra -Some champions are similar, for instance playing J4 will help you learn Vi -It's better to have picks you enjoy, because the more you enjoy it, the faster you learn/get better with that char.

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