Help settle a disagreement about leashing?
Is it okay for a laner to miss lane xp so that they can leash krugs/gromp for their jungler?
Is it okay for a laner to miss lane xp so that they can leash krugs/gromp for their jungler?
You can help leash and not miss anything, you don't really have to give up anything.
you should never leash so hard that you miss experience
auto 3 times, use your ability if possible, and leave. that's a strong leash and you miss nothing.
Simple, no.
Speaking for at least bot lane, the current meta (kill supports and burst AD carries) revolves around that level two power spike ; whoever hits level two first almost automatically wins lane if they take advantage of the level difference.
Those two extra autos you gave your jungler probably aren't worth the 300 gold you're about to give to the enemy AD carry!
Assuming you're going gromps/krugs
If I'm botlane or toplane I'd help with leash; if I'm midlane than I probably won't leash. If you're top or bot, throwing 2-3 autoattack+skill isn't going to make you miss a minion, however, if you're mid you will. If he/she is starting red or blue than I will help with leash as mid (except if I am a melee like yas,fizz,etc)
you can leash and not miss any exp, just give it like 3-4 auto's and go to lane.
my friend thinks the laner should stay until the camp has less than ten percent health
it makes him really mad when that doesnt happen
also, his jungle path is gromp then blue then red then base
Having them stay too long is sorta bad, especially if its your mid laner, since sometimes 1-2 minions can die before you get back to lane from a leash. Also that jungle path is pretty normal in this new jungle. It gets you just enough gold to upgrade your machete and get wards/pots. Depending on your jungler, after that red, he might be nearly dead.
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my friend thinks the laner should stay until the camp has less than ten percent health
it makes him really mad when that doesnt happen
also, his jungle path is gromp then blue then red then base
well your friend is wrong, it's not worth the extra leash if your laner misses CS
I hate it when leashes stay that long because then i have to either smite immediately or not smite that camp at all and miss the buff. I usually prefer to have my lanes stay until about 60-70% then i'll smite it and do the last 2-3 attacks on my own while they go to lane so they don't miss exp. This usually let's me have a pretty safe start on my jungle and keeps them from losing exp/gold
Yeah, your friend is straight-up wrong.
Having said that, he may feel this way because he's jungling poorly and he needs that extra help to get by. Maybe he should look into some S5 jungle footage from high-level players.
My take on leashes Bot lane should always leash, cuz junglers should always start bot theres 2 people for more AA in a shorter amount of time and now you dont have to disrupt 2 lanes... like top and mid and dont say you need blue buff, I've done jungling and not once have I been in "DIRE IMMEDIATE NEED FOR MANA REGEN RIGHT FUCKING NOW!" While top lane and mid lane, should be optional for them whether they decide to leash you or not
Anyways leashes should only stay at max.. when the big creep hits half hp or so, idk if you have some range ability, might as well toss it on your way out
I have been going Shaco lately, so less worry for my teams. ;D
On serious note, few hits (2-4) should do and you can go back to lane.
I say yes, because that jungler will likely help you, or they could go for more xp and gold in the jungle. They need a good start. Depending upon the jungler it may not always help you, but it should go a ways towards keeping relations with the jungler in the positive and I doubt they'll forget you helped them.
If the bot lane leashes too long, they risk losing experience to the enemy bot lane and being all-in'd when the enemy hits level 2 before them. BAM! Lane lost or at least at a disadvantage. Even the possibility is not worth the small trade-offs.
if you leash too long you end up losing lane because you lose to much early xp.
The support can stay in the jungle longer and help the Jungler get the rest of the camps in the Bottom jungle.
Why are they missing exp? Mid shouldn't be leashing krugs/gromp, so they don't miss anything, and top or bot can leash without missing anything.
Everyone knows bot and top can leash without missing xp.
My friend consistently asks his laners to miss xp to leash harder, then gets angry when they don't.
If i start top i go gromp,wolves , then blue if i need man other wise i do what your friend does. But most of the time i start kruggs and i smite right away so top only has to atack like 3 times then i go raptors to red. Then i back and go clear my other side if none of my lanes need a gank.
In the nicest sense possible for lack of better terms: Your friend doesn't know how to jungle.
A jungler's job to carry his team through the early portions of the game, how is forcing laners to miss xp going to help them ?